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Phase 2 Hurling Qualifiers
goldfinger
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23-Jun-2012 20:30
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What happens if Clare draw Dublin. Will it be on in Ennis as the last time they met it was in Croke Park.
Blanco
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23-Jun-2012 20:33
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Originally posted by goldfinger:
What happens if Clare draw Dublin. Will it be on in Ennis as the last time they met it was in Croke Park.
I think it is neutral venues for Phase 2, Croke Park is not considered a home venue for Dublin.
If they were to meet it would more than likely be Portlaoise or Thurles I would say.
daylo
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23-Jun-2012 20:36
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the raffle will determine who has home or away venue
Originally posted by goldfinger:
What happens if Clare draw Dublin. Will it be on in Ennis as the last time they met it was in Croke Park.
goldfinger
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23-Jun-2012 20:37
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Just looked back over previous years and last year Clare travelled to Galway in phase 2 and the year before it was in Croke park also in phase 2.
Blanco
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23-Jun-2012 20:43
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Originally posted by goldfinger:
Just looked back over previous years and last year Clare travelled to Galway in phase 2 and the year before it was in Croke park also in phase 2.
Ok , must be just first out of the draw gets home venue then , would be unlucky on Clare to be drawn away 3 years in a row.
pegasusIII
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23-Jun-2012 21:55
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Originally posted by Blanco:
I think it is neutral venues for Phase 2, Croke Park is not considered a home venue for Dublin.If they were to meet it would more than likely be Portlaoise or Thurles I would say.
the clare dublin game 2 years ago was only on in croke park cause the dublin footballers were playing the same day. id be very surprised if a dublin clare game this year wasnt in parnell park.
daylo
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23-Jun-2012 23:02
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was there much dub support there today ?
BeTimberin
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23-Jun-2012 23:15
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Ok , must be just first out of the draw gets home venue then , would be unlucky on Clare to be drawn away 3 years in a row.
There are 2 draws here - one to decide the pairings and a separate one to decide who is home and who is away!
gaillimh73
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24-Jun-2012 00:05
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The two Munster teams will win through here.
daylo
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24-Jun-2012 00:13
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Twil be a tough 1
hopefully clare can get a good win and progress
Originally posted by gaillimh73:
The two Munster teams will win through here.
Healy52007
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24-Jun-2012 12:09
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crazy system. Wexford and Limerick got knocked out early and they get the easier draw.
Teams next year will be praying they get knocked out in the prov 1st Round/Quarter finals. More games against easier opposition and a better chance of progression into the last round of the quilifers.
Where a beaten prov semi finalist could possibily be out of the championship after there second game.
weird crazy system
lovelypoint
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24-Jun-2012 18:25
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Originally posted by Healy52007:
crazy system. Wexford and Limerick got knocked out early and they get the easier draw.Teams next year will be praying they get knocked out in the prov 1st Round/Quarter finals. More games against easier opposition and a better chance of progression into the last round of the quilifers.Where a beaten prov semi finalist could possibily be out of the championship after there second game.weird crazy system
Was thinking about that recently, but the only thing I can say about the present qualifier structure, is that it ensures more exciting games as rounds 1 & 2 tend to be between evenly matched opposition, and also for the weaker teams in round 1 of the qualifiers gives them more evenly matched opposition and perhaps 1 more valuable game experience. The counterpoint to that of course is that 2 better teams in round 2 of the qualifiers get knocked out, in favour of 2 lesser teams from round 1.
Its a little bit unfair on the better teams, but I think its probably a good compromise for the additional hurling development benefits for the lesser teams in round 1.
lovelypoint
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24-Jun-2012 18:36
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So, Offaly, Clare, Dublin and Cork to be drawn to pair off in round 2 of the qualifiers, with the 2 winners to play Limerick and Wexford in round 3.
Cork should be very dangerous, Dublin need to display the real Dublin, and Clare and Limerick on form should also be tricky opponents if they can keep their form going. Not sure about where Offaly and Wexford are, but hopefully we will see a bit of fire and life in them, and have a good round of qualifier games.
Limmer
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24-Jun-2012 18:41
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Two better teams from round 2 get knocked out in favour of two lesser teams from round 1?
Suppose Limerick had beaten Tipp, which they very nearly did. Tipp would be one of those 'lesser' Round 1 teams progressing to Round 3 over one of the 'better' sides i.e Offaly, Clare et al.
Or as happened last year, where Cork lost the QF and played Prelim and Round 1 games. A lesser team?
It's not a great system in terms of hype or even game quality, but it's not an unfair one.
Sa Bhaile
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24-Jun-2012 22:00
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:
Was thinking about that recently, but the only thing I can say about the present qualifier structure, is that it ensures more exciting games as rounds 1 & 2 tend to be between evenly matched opposition, and also for the weaker teams in round 1 of the qualifiers gives them more evenly matched opposition and perhaps 1 more valuable game experience. The counterpoint to that of course is that 2 better teams in round 2 of the qualifiers get knocked out, in favour of 2 lesser teams from round 1.Its a little bit unfair on the better teams, but I think its probably a good compromise for the additional hurling development benefits for the lesser teams in round 1.
On what basis do you claim that Limerick is a 'lesser team' than Cork? On what basis are Wexford a 'lesser team' than Dublin? If Cork and Tipp had been drawn against each other in the first round with the winner to play Limerick, would that mean (assuming Tipp beat both) that Limerick would not then be the lesser team but Cork would???
Personally, I think too much is being made of the discrepancy mentioned here. At the end of the day, if a team goes out in the qualifiers or in the quarter finals, it doesn't make much difference. Say if Limerick manage to beat Antrim and Clare lose their next game, I can't imagine Limerick lads slagging the Clare lads with statements like: "We got to the final round of the qualifiers and ye were knocked out in Phase 2".
Unfortunately it's going to be next to impossible to get a perfect back-door system with the way the standards of teams are so spread out - it looks like KK are out on their own with a group of teams behind that who are fairly well matched I would say (Tipp, Cork, Galway, Waterford, Dublin) with Clare, Limerick, Offaly, Antrim and Wexford knocking on the door to get into that group and any of them unlikely to be beaten off the park by any of the teams in the higher group (although it might happen an odd time). The real problem is with the teams below that and the type of a beating Laois are after getting two games in a row. Someone suggested that these teams (Laois, Westmeath, Carlow, Down, say) play off among themselves (a round robin would give them more games) to decide who would get into Phase 1.
It's not easy. At least we have the Munster championship!
banner boy
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24-Jun-2012 23:27
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PHASE 2 IS A NEUTRAL VENUE, CLARE V GALWAY LAST YR A TOSS OF A COIN AND YEAR B4 V DUBLIN IN CROKE PARK , CLARE AGREED TO PLAY DUBLIN THERE.
banner boy
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24-Jun-2012 23:30
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Double header in portlaoise on the 7th july.
dubliner 2
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24-Jun-2012 23:42
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Phase 2 is home and away depending on the draw.
fine weather
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24-Jun-2012 23:54
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From GAA ie to stop all the guessing.
The draw for the second phase of the GAA Hurling qualifiers will take place on Monday morning next at 8.30am.
Two losing semi-finalists from Leinster (Offaly and Dublin/Kilkenny) will be joined in the draw by the two losing semi-finalists from Munster (Clare and Cork/Tipperary).
The losing Leinster teams will be drawn to play against the losing Munster teams and there will also be a draw to determine who has home venue in each of the ties. The Phase II games are scheduled to take place on the weekend of July 7th.
The draw will be broadcast live on Morning Ireland on RTÉ Radio and streamed.
banner boy
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25-Jun-2012 00:20
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Your spot on there Fine Weather ,i got it wrong thanks for clearing that up.
BeTimberin
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25-Jun-2012 00:23
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Originally posted by banner boy:
Your spot on there Fine Weather ,i got it wrong thanks for clearing that up.
For the love and honour of our lord God, the next time you are unsure of something, please dont come on here posting it as gospel!
The amount of times i've had to sift through complete bullsh1t on this site of late is sickening!
So please, in future, when you havent a clue what the story is, DO NOT POST YOUR OWN SPECULATION on items like this.
There are 2 draws - one to decide pairings, the other to decide venues!
lovelypoint
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25-Jun-2012 00:27
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Originally posted by Limmer:
Two better teams from round 2 get knocked out in favour of two lesser teams from round 1?
Yes, better results-wise, and that the Round 1 teams got knocked out earlier than the Round 2 teams.
Bannerabu
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25-Jun-2012 00:43
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Surly when we agreed to Croke Park there was an agreement that the favour would be returned
staycalm
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25-Jun-2012 08:22
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:
Yes, better results-wise, and that the Round 1 teams got knocked out earlier than the Round 2 teams.
The provincial championship draw decides who is in phase 1 and who is in phase 2. Both Limerick and Clare lost their first match but because Clare got a bye into the semi final, they end up in phase 2. Nothing to do with better results
N16
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Tuned into Radio 1 here. Lovely morning here in London, sun splitting the rocks.
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