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Time added on, time to rearrange it.
jerryp
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24-Jun-2012 19:03
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First things first, congrats to Tipp, they upped their game considerably in the second half and got some class scores.
If ever a game showed the farce of measuring time to be added on, today's game did in the second half.2 minutes were announced.A Tipp player spent just about that rearranging his boots. You also had a double injury as well as a slowness by Cummins to take pucks out from about the 60th minute.There was also a little time lost for the sending off.
It's time to give the responsibility to someone else.
Taxi Driver
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24-Jun-2012 19:13
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Puck outs and sendings off are natural breaks in play for which additional time is not added. The penalty for slow puckouts is a throw-in on the 20m line.
Time can be added for injuries and other delays but it is the time because of the delay that is added. For example, a normal puck out might take 30 seconds. However, it could take 60 seconds because of attention to an injured player. While the player might be getting attention for 60 seconds in reality the delay has only added 30 seconds to the normal time taken for a puckout.
Lots of people like to think additional time starts from the second a player gets attention or starts changing their boots. However, as most of these happen in natural breaks in play anyway the amount of time lost because of these delays is not as large as might be suggested.
I think a separation needs to be made to the time keeping at inter-county and club games. Keep club games as they are but introduce a visible clock in inter-county games which is stopped/started at the behest of the referee. Pretty much the system used in high-level rugby games.
South Limerick Referee
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24-Jun-2012 19:20
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I would have forgiven Brian Gavin if he played 30 seconds extra today to enable Cork to equalise and create a mouth watering replay next week.
Taxi Driver
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24-Jun-2012 19:55
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I would have forgiven Brian Gavin if he played 30 seconds extra today to enable Cork to equalise and create a mouth watering replay next week.
He played 25 seconds over the announced two minutes for no apparent reason and it did not seem that a point was likely.
Your 30 seconds might have been found if Gavin had awarded a merited free to Luke O'Farrell when he was clearly pulled back by Mickey Cahill just outside the 'D' in the first minute of added time. This would have been flashed over the bar in a few seconds by Patrick Horgan.
Instead Gavin actually awarded a free to Shane O'Neill in the next phase of play out on the '65'. Now Horgan had to get out to where to free was from and getting some signals from the sideline meant more time was used. Cork could have had your extra 30 seconds if the first free was awarded.
That still doesn't mean they'd have even created a chance for an equalizing score though.
Footy Facts
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24-Jun-2012 20:27
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Bull! Thank God we have moved on from the days when referees kept playing until the match ended in a draw. If memory serves me right, you also wanted the refereee to play for a draw when Ard Scoil were beaten this year. Nonsense.
Sledgehammer
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24-Jun-2012 20:44
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Originally posted by jerryp:
First things first, congrats to Tipp, they upped their game considerably in the second half and got some class scores.If ever a game showed the farce of measuring time to be added on, today's game did in the second half.2 minutes were announced.A Tipp player spent just about that rearranging his boots. You also had a double injury as well as a slowness by Cummins to take pucks out from about the 60th minute.There was also a little time lost for the sending off.
It's time to give the responsibility to someone else.
I'd prefer if Mr Gavin popped his little yellow card out at start of game on Pa Cronin!
moyleman1
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24-Jun-2012 20:45
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i think gavin gave enough to cork without playing on til there was an equaliser
cerebus
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24-Jun-2012 21:15
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Having a count down clock would bring a great deal of much needed physicality to the game as teams try to regain possession when trailing late in the game and would also prevent whistle happy refs from robbing deserving teams....from the Kingdom.
South Limerick Referee
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24-Jun-2012 21:50
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I love replays, they bring something special to the championship.
Originally posted by Footy Facts:
Bull! Thank God we have moved on from the days when referees kept playing until the match ended in a draw. If memory serves me right, you also wanted the refereee to play for a draw when Ard Scoil were beaten this year. Nonsense.
staycalm
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25-Jun-2012 07:15
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Some people still have a 1940's mentality. Wanting a match extended until the team that are behind score. What is the point of announcing injury time if the ref plays away for another minute or 2 just to please a small number of committee men???
Rebel CNC
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25-Jun-2012 09:43
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Originally posted by staycalm:
Some people still have a 1940's mentality. Wanting a match extended until the team that are behind score. What is the point of announcing injury time if the ref plays away for another minute or 2 just to please a small number of committee men???
In fairness, I think the post was in relation to the arbitary nature of deciding how much time is added on.
Two minutes ridiculous yesterday considering the shoe change took that alone and there were two or three other stoppages on top of that.
As previous poster says, perhaps a visible clock for inter county c'ship games is required.
staycalm
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25-Jun-2012 10:00
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
In fairness, I think the post was in relation to the arbitary nature of deciding how much time is added on.
Two minutes ridiculous yesterday considering the shoe change took that alone and there were two or three other stoppages on top of that.
As previous poster says, perhaps a visible clock for inter county c'ship games is required.
I know there probably wasnt enough injury time played yesterday but my problem is with the opinion that the ref should just play away in order to make a draw out of any close match
Habanerocat
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25-Jun-2012 13:11
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Originally posted by jerryp:
First things first, congrats to Tipp, they upped their game considerably in the second half and got some class scores.If ever a game showed the farce of measuring time to be added on, today's game did in the second half.2 minutes were announced.A Tipp player spent just about that rearranging his boots. You also had a double injury as well as a slowness by Cummins to take pucks out from about the 60th minute.There was also a little time lost for the sending off.
It's time to give the responsibility to someone else.
Didn't Tipp put on subs in Injury time also. The rule should be changed here to add 30 seconds per substitution (like in socer). Clearly Tipp were trying to slow down the game (within the rules) and succeeded in doing so.
stones_off
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25-Jun-2012 13:27
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The rugby system is a load of bollock. The last 5 minutes of an international rugby match is joke, if one team are ahead. All they do is wind down the lock, by collapsing scrums. If a team is time wasting this should be added on (I don't think a ref can do this in Gaelic Games), but should only be added on if the other team are behind. Why should a team benefit from time wasting.
azamour
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25-Jun-2012 13:30
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The clock works well in ladies football. No reason why it wouldn't be as successful in the mens games.
Taxi Driver
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25-Jun-2012 13:33
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Originally posted by stones_off:
The rugby system is a load of bollock. The last 5 minutes of an international rugby match is joke, if one team are ahead. All they do is wind down the lock, by collapsing scrums. If a team is time wasting this should be added on (I don't think a ref can do this in Gaelic Games), but should only be added on if the other team are behind. Why should a team benefit from time wasting.
The GAA already has penalties for deliberately delaying play. A delay of a puck-out, free-puck or line-ball should be penalised with a throw in. Teams should not benefit from time-wasting. It is almost impossible to deliberately wind the clock down in hurling as it is a territory rather than possession game.
rebelrebel30
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25-Jun-2012 13:39
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Originally posted by Rebel CNC:
In fairness, I think the post was in relation to the arbitary nature of deciding how much time is added on.
Two minutes ridiculous yesterday considering the shoe change took that alone and there were two or three other stoppages on top of that.
As previous poster says, perhaps a visible clock for inter county c'ship games is required.
Ive said it before and ill say it again..2Mins is mandatory in GAA matches..regardless of what happens.
BTW..have Cork ever won a match when B Gavin is reffing...hes a jinx!
jerryp
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25-Jun-2012 18:06
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Having opened this thread, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at the way it's been twisted and turned. All I'm saying is that there's really too much going on on the field of play to have the ref responsible for clockwatching as well. I think Gavin did a reasonable job yesterday, but even if he had eyes in the back of his head, he would still have missed some of the off the ball stuff.I'm still convinced that the boot changing took up to two minutes itself.There were other injuries, a sending off, substitutions and a slowdown of play resumption by Tipp when they entered the last 7 or 8 minutes.
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