Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Would Gardiner have made a shrewd extra man? Rarely wastes a ball and wouldnt have had to mark anyone

Originally posted by yankeelad:
I have no doubt but Cork will be one of the last four standing when the dust settels later on in the year.This team will be around for a while.However.they are not quite ready for primetime yet but they will put a hurtin on some of the other pretenders before they depart the scene.

Originally posted by blueblaa:
This Cork team will be around for a while, but not convinced they will make this years semi.

Originally posted by kinnittyman:
The next cull should involve Eoin Cadogan. He was absolutley diabolical today. Compare his performance at centre back today to that of Brian Hogan last night and there's a serious gulf in class. And Cadogan is still at this "hard man" act. At one stage Bonnar Maher made a run with the ball that led to Bonnar bringing the ball wide. Rather than just running back to his position Cadogan had to give Maher the obligatory dig into the chest. This despite the fact that at this stage Maher was cleaning Cadogan and went on to completley dominate that match up. A simple fact for JBM to acknowledge is that Cork won't win anything of merit with Cadogan at centre back. At this stage I've lost counts of how many bad games for Cork Cadogan has had for Cork.And Ger Loughnane said at half time he was hurling well. I nearly fell off my chair.

Originally posted by Young Hopper:
That's what I was thinking with about 10 to go. Would have given excellent delivery that the likes of Cadogen isnt capable of. Also would have been a threat as regards scoring from open play from 70 odd yards.

Originally posted by Inglis Drever:
Gardiner should have been brought on, he would have played more sensible ball into the forwards than the high ball that was lobbed in and would have been an experienced head to tell the others around him to do the same. They had the extra man and lobbed everything high, on top of Maher and O'Mahoney. Crazy stuff, really contributed to Tipp being able to finish it out. Puck outs were the same, Tipp were finding a free man and Cork were going long, surely it should have been the other way around for Cork?

Originally posted by Faugh a Ballagh:
I one fell swoop JBM has gotten rid of the trouble makers, Sean Og and Gardiner and has Ogie inside the tent -------ing out.It was very notable today that neither O'Hailpin or Garndiner were even asked to come on. Definitely the end of the road for those two boys I would say.The remarkable thing is that there hasn't been one word of dissent from the Cork fans who were up in arms last year over Denis Walsh's treatment of Sean Og!Would you blame Walshie for going around telling all and sundry and anyone at all who will listen that he was set up!

Originally posted by Ozzy:
Thought Sean Og was shown up in the league semi final against Tipp, would have been very surprised if he featured, but also surprised Gardiner didn't feature at all. Is there any suggestion he's injured or recovering or any such thing? Still quite young, surely he has a good bit left to offer.
I think the criticism of the Cork management is a bit unfair, they're a team in a bit of transition with a lot of young players and they were very close to getting a draw with a team who've been in three successive All Irelands.

Originally posted by johnny cash:

u have raised some valid points.denis walsh like gerard mccarthy were great cork players and gaa men and were subjected to some unfair vitrol.denis walsh was castigated and lambasted for dropping sean og. a year on JBM who was on the commitee that appointed Walsh has come up with the same conclusion i.e. sean og isnt one of the best half back in cork anymore. Denis Walsh was slaughtered for not startin Lehane last year too. He was doing his leaving cert and he used him as a sub. his performances in the league final and today suggest walsh might not have been the igiot some cork fans suggested he was.in walsh's first full year in charge of cork they reached the league final and beat Tipp!!! JBM cannot say that! I am as big a fan of JBM as anyone and think he is doing a good job but i feel cork folk were harsh on walsh in particular

Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Difference is unlike Walsh, JBM gave Sean Og the opportunity to see if he could still do it, Denis Walsh brought him into a hotel room before a ball was pucked..given the service Sean og has given cork the way walsh treated him was appalling.
Also i wouldnt let that win over tipp in 2010 paper over the cracks under Walsh. It obviously was a false dawn as borne out by future results and performances, i however left today feeling this cork team will develop in time. If you have time i could go through realms and realms of poor decision making on the line under DW watch, however hes is a gentleman and owes nothing to Cork so i wont go there.

Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Difference is unlike Walsh, JBM gave Sean Og the opportunity to see if he could still do it, Denis Walsh brought him into a hotel room before a ball was pucked..given the service Sean og has given cork the way walsh treated him was appalling.
Also i wouldnt let that win over tipp in 2010 paper over the cracks under Walsh. It obviously was a false dawn as borne out by future results and performances, i however left today feeling this cork team will develop in time. If you have time i could go through realms and realms of poor decision making on the line under DW watch, however hes is a gentleman and owes nothing to Cork so i wont go there.

Originally posted by Young Hopper:
I have no gripes with a managers right to select his own team, however he comes to those conclusions. BUTWhy will we see no widespread questioning of the Cork tactics today?

Originally posted by Young Hopper:
I have no gripes with a managers right to select his own team, however he comes to those conclusions. BUTWhy will we see no widespread questioning of the Cork tactics today?

Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
But there has been questioning of the tactics, everyone from a cork point of view has commented on it on the Cork v Tipp thread. We didnt make use of the extra man on the line.

Originally posted by johnny cash:

many a player was dropped by letter or telephone call or not even the courtesy of either. denis walsh met the man face to face and told him he wasnt part of his plans for the year. a manly enough way to do business i feel.