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Topic: Munster Hurling Final Venue
jimmymahon
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Posted: 24-Jun-2012 23:49
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I was praying Cork would win today on 2 fronts.

The first is that Waterford/Cork games have always been good days out in the last decade. Obviously, we would be up for Cork a bit more too, as although last year's result was a bit of an anomaly (not even the Tipp fans on the day could believe that Waterford were really that bad if they were set up right), it is hard to erase a 7-goal defeat from the memory.

However, all of that is just sport stuff and goes with the nerves, anticipation etc. of a big day out.

The main reason I wanted Cork to win today was that the final would take place in Thurles and not Páirc Uí Chaoimh. I swore after last year that I would not be going back there until it's redeveloped. Apart from the discomfort etc., I would have concerns about safety in the stadium when it's at capacity.

I guess that they have all sorts of certificates etc. to prove me wrong, but the feeling of claustrophobia I and others with me got in the place last year was unreal, and the discomfort of the seating and difficulty in getting in and out of them was cat. This is all bearing in mind that it was a beautiful summer's day. Imagine a downpour!

I swore I wouldn't go back there again and I am a man of my word. I never miss a match otherwise, senior, minor or U21.

Why can't the Goddamn game be played in Thurles? No-one in Waterford would object I'd be pretty sure. What is the point in having a modern stadium like Thurles (best place to play hurling in Ireland) if the Munster final doesn't get played there?

Páirc Uí Chaoimh is fine for league matches etc., when theplace is less than half full.
Red Pepper
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:12
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
I was praying Cork would win today on 2 fronts.The first is that Waterford/Cork games have always been good days out in the last decade. Obviously, we would be up for Cork a bit more too, as although last year's result was a bit of an anomaly (not even the Tipp fans on the day could believe that Waterford were really that bad if they were set up right), it is hard to erase a 7-goal defeat from the memory.However, all of that is just sport stuff and goes with the nerves, anticipation etc. of a big day out.The main reason I wanted Cork to win today was that the final would take place in Thurles and not Páirc Uí Chaoimh. I swore after last year that I would not be going back there until it's redeveloped. Apart from the discomfort etc., I would have concerns about safety in the stadium when it's at capacity.I guess that they have all sorts of certificates etc. to prove me wrong, but the feeling of claustrophobia I and others with me got in the place last year was unreal, and the discomfort of the seating and difficulty in getting in and out of them was cat. This is all bearing in mind that it was a beautiful summer's day. Imagine a downpour!I swore I wouldn't go back there again and I am a man of my word. I never miss a match otherwise, senior, minor or U21.Why can't the Goddamn game be played in Thurles? No-one in Waterford would object I'd be pretty sure. What is the point in having a modern stadium like Thurles (best place to play hurling in Ireland) if the Munster final doesn't get played there?Páirc Uí Chaoimh is fine for league matches etc., when theplace is less than half full.

Obviously it can't be played in Thurles, as Tipp would have home advantage. The game should be played at the Gaelic Grounds. Neutral venue for Tipp v Waterford, greater capacity, more comfortable for spectators, more modern facilities and far safer than PUC. I can't see the point in the GAA spending money in a recession on redeveloping PUC when we have 2 stadia in the province with capacities over 50,000.

The GAA is a grassroots organisation and that is where the money should be spent. In straightened times, where choices have to be made, the GAA needs to think twice about where it spends its money, and redevelopment of PUC is not one of them. And without spending its money on the grassroots, the future of the GAA may be at stake.

Healy52007
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:15
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Got from the Waterford discussion fourm on boards.

Possibility of Thurles as a Munster Hurling decider venue will be explored in the coming days.

Waterford management will discuss with players on Tuesday to get their views and take if from there.

Any change of venue would require a two thirds majority of the Munster CCC, which would be difficult to get as Cork would oppose it and if Clare and Tipp were to meet in minor final, Clare would opt for Cork as opposed to having Tipp at home.

Thurles would be most Waterford supporters, and I'd imagine players choice, but we're not the most popular at Munster level as a county, so would be difficult to get the votes to change.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:21
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Originally posted by Red Pepper:
Obviously it can't be played in Thurles, as Tipp would have home advantage. The game should be played at the Gaelic Grounds. Neutral venue for Tipp v Waterford, greater capacity, more comfortable for spectators, more modern facilities and far safer than PUC. I can't see the point in the GAA spending money in a recession on redeveloping PUC when we have 2 stadia in the province with capacities over 50,000. The GAA is a grassroots organisation and that is where the money should be spent. In straightened times, where choices have to be made, the GAA needs to think twice about where it spends its money, and redevelopment of PUC is not one of them. And without spending its money on the grassroots, the future of the GAA may be at stake.

I think in fairness considering Corks standing in the GAA and the fact its the largest urban area in munster and the counties regular presence in munster finals the Cork supporters should have a good stadium with modern facilities.

if anything it should be the one with the redeveloped stadium, all the money spent on all these grounds like the one in limerick etc are the white elephants. Cork supporters in munster are probably the biggest contributors to the Munster councils coffers year on year.
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:24
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Originally posted by Healy52007:
Got from the Waterford discussion fourm on boards.Possibility of Thurles as a Munster Hurling decider venue will be explored in the coming days.Waterford management will discuss with players on Tuesday to get their views and take if from there.Any change of venue would require a two thirds majority of the Munster CCC, which would be difficult to get as Cork would oppose it and if Clare and Tipp were to meet in minor final, Clare would opt for Cork as opposed to having Tipp at home.Thurles would be most Waterford supporters, and I'd imagine players choice, but we're not the most popular at Munster level as a county, so would be difficult to get the votes to change.

Funnily enough from a players point of view PUC is very popular for some reason. read Lar corbett and other tipp players love playing there, the atmosphere, bowl stadium, D O Shea recently had a piece in the paper too saying despite all the awful facilities he love it there and thought the pitch was on a par with any in ireland...now if only they would redevelope the bloody thing we would be laughing!!
lopper
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:28
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Originally posted by Red Pepper:
Obviously it can't be played in Thurles, as Tipp would have home advantage. The game should be played at the Gaelic Grounds. Neutral venue for Tipp v Waterford, greater capacity, more comfortable for spectators, more modern facilities and far safer than PUC. I can't see the point in the GAA spending money in a recession on redeveloping PUC when we have 2 stadia in the province with capacities over 50,000. The GAA is a grassroots organisation and that is where the money should be spent. In straightened times, where choices have to be made, the GAA needs to think twice about where it spends its money, and redevelopment of PUC is not one of them. And without spending its money on the grassroots, the future of the GAA may be at stake.

Not a hope it'll be on the GG I'd assume as Waterford won't want to go there and the WD-Lim road is poor.

I went to the Cork-Tipp match today and although the stadium itself is a kip, the atmosphere in Cork for a match is hard to beat. I prefer going to Cork than Thurles, personally.

lovelypoint
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:42
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Originally posted by Red Pepper:
The game should be played at the Gaelic Grounds.

+1. Not sure why this option has not been explored, really.

cesar chavez
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:43
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What about killarney lads.Only county hurling game i ever saw was at the park.Was it tipp & clare? im not sure. Not even sure what year it was either.But would it not be a good netural ground & a good dad out.And no i dont own a pub there or live there
johnny cash
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:46
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not a hope. mackey stand and pitch not the standard of PUC, killarney or thurles. should scarcely be in the running even if limerick in the final

Originally posted by lovelypoint:
+1. Not sure why this option has not been explored, really.

Red Pepper
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:56
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
I think in fairness considering Corks standing in the GAA and the fact its the largest urban area in munster and the counties regular presence in munster finals the Cork supporters should have a good stadium with modern facilities.if anything it should be the one with the redeveloped stadium, all the money spent on all these grounds like the one in limerick etc are the white elephants. Cork supporters in munster are probably the biggest contributors to the Munster councils coffers year on year.

While I agree with you about Cork's GAA standing, the last thing we need in Munster in another white elephant. Cork already borders two counties with stadia over 50,000. So logistically it's not far to travel for Cork GAA patrons. Let's try and not encourage the Munster Council and or GAA HQ throw good money after bad!! Most likely they will need to borrow money to redevelop the stadium now. And how is it going to generate the money to pay it back? There's only a handful of Championship matches in Munster each year. Is not like Thomond Park, which gets matches week in, week out. It's a pity PUC wasn't redeveloped during the boom when the GAA's coffers were in a rude state of health. PUC as it stands is adequate for all league matches in both codes but is sadly not up to scratch for Championship matches. Commercially speaking, it makes no business sense to redevelop the stadium now. It's commercially not viable at the moment in the current economic climate and at a time of falling attendances.

The Dude
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 00:56
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Munster Final day in Thurles is special, especially vs Cork. The buzz in around the square is class. I hate going down to Pairc Ui Chaoimh. No buzz, poor stadium and it means we're playing Tipp!
Red Pepper
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 01:14
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Originally posted by johnny cash:

not a hope. mackey stand and pitch not the standard of PUC, killarney or thurles. should scarcely be in the running even if limerick in the final

The Mackey Stand is fine, sure isn't it the old Hogan Stand. And nobody complained then. As for the pitch, it's a good surface. Good as any other. Have never heard of a player complaining. Where are you getting your information from? As for facilities for patrons and players, it has the most modern.
JohnMcCain
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 01:15
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
I was praying Cork would win today on 2 fronts.The first is that Waterford/Cork games have always been good days out in the last decade. Obviously, we would be up for Cork a bit more too, as although last year's result was a bit of an anomaly (not even the Tipp fans on the day could believe that Waterford were really that bad if they were set up right), it is hard to erase a 7-goal defeat from the memory.However, all of that is just sport stuff and goes with the nerves, anticipation etc. of a big day out.The main reason I wanted Cork to win today was that the final would take place in Thurles and not Páirc Uí Chaoimh. I swore after last year that I would not be going back there until it's redeveloped. Apart from the discomfort etc., I would have concerns about safety in the stadium when it's at capacity.I guess that they have all sorts of certificates etc. to prove me wrong, but the feeling of claustrophobia I and others with me got in the place last year was unreal, and the discomfort of the seating and difficulty in getting in and out of them was cat. This is all bearing in mind that it was a beautiful summer's day. Imagine a downpour!I swore I wouldn't go back there again and I am a man of my word. I never miss a match otherwise, senior, minor or U21.Why can't the Goddamn game be played in Thurles? No-one in Waterford would object I'd be pretty sure. What is the point in having a modern stadium like Thurles (best place to play hurling in Ireland) if the Munster final doesn't get played there?Páirc Uí Chaoimh is fine for league matches etc., when theplace is less than half full.

Under no circumstances should Waterford agree to play Tipperary in Thurles. It would be the ultimate folly. Tipperary has enough advantages as it is. Why should Tipperary have home advantage?

JohnMcCain
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 01:23
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Originally posted by Healy52007:
Got from the Waterford discussion fourm on boards.Possibility of Thurles as a Munster Hurling decider venue will be explored in the coming days.Waterford management will discuss with players on Tuesday to get their views and take if from there.Any change of venue would require a two thirds majority of the Munster CCC, which would be difficult to get as Cork would oppose it and if Clare and Tipp were to meet in minor final, Clare would opt for Cork as opposed to having Tipp at home.Thurles would be most Waterford supporters, and I'd imagine players choice, but we're not the most popular at Munster level as a county, so would be difficult to get the votes to change.

This is a sprat to catch a mackerel. Thurles no thanks! Home venue to Tipperary no thanks! Only in Waterford would you hear this. We have enough disadvantages as it is.
Waterford conceded home venue to Tipperary before and paid the price. Christy Ring on the week before declared that the Waterford Co Board of the time was mad to concede. How right he was.




JohnMcCain
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 01:25
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Originally posted by The Dude:
Munster Final day in Thurles is special, especially vs Cork. The buzz in around the square is class. I hate going down to Pairc Ui Chaoimh. No buzz, poor stadium and it means we're playing Tipp!

The aim is to beat Tipperary. To hell with the discomfort. No home venue to Tipperary!

Red Pepper
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 02:14
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Originally posted by lopper:
Not a hope it'll be on the GG I'd assume as Waterford won't want to go there and the WD-Lim road is poor. I went to the Cork-Tipp match today and although the stadium itself is a kip, the atmosphere in Cork for a match is hard to beat. I prefer going to Cork than Thurles, personally.

If the Gaelic Grounds are deemed good enough as a neutral venue for the Munster Football final this year then why not the hurling final as well? The roads around west Cork and west Clare are poor as well but that won't stop fans from travelling. The last time the hurling final was in the Gaelic Grounds between Tipp and Clare there was a great atmosphere in Limerick.

jimmymahon
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 02:20
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Originally posted by JohnMcCain:

The aim is to beat Tipperary. To hell with the discomfort. No home venue to Tipperary!

With the prices the Munster Council have been charging this year, I would say patrons are entitled to a bit of comfort. Home advantage to Tipperary my ar$e, you won't find more than a handful of people in Waterford who agree with you. Nobody wants to go to Cork again after last year. The tunnels were like gas chambers due to all the smokers having to congregate in one tiny area and all the smoke being funneled down the overcrowded catacombs of the Páirc.

Unless you are about 5'2'', there's no way anyone could feel comfortable having their 2 knees stuck into the back of the person in front and no having to sit slightly sideways to fit your shoulders in between the supporters on either side of you. Likewise then for the 2 knees sticking into your back.

Anyway, Waterford play better in Thurles than anywhere else, other than our home venues. We'd be far more likely to get a big crowd travelling to lift the team as well, seeing as they wouldn't be stuck in traffic jams for hours trying to get out of Thurles.

It's called lateral thinking.
jimmymahon
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 02:23
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As an alternative, the Gaelic Grounds would be fine BTW.
JohnMcCain
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 02:25
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
With the prices the Munster Council have been charging this year, I would say patrons are entitled to a bit of comfort. Home advantage to Tipperary my ar$e, you won't find more than a handful of people in Waterford who agree with you. Nobody wants to go to Cork again after last year. The tunnels were like gas chambers due to all the smokers having to congregate in one tiny area and all the smoke being funneled down the overcrowded catacombs of the Páirc.Unless you are about 5'2'', there's no way anyone could feel comfortable having their 2 knees stuck into the back of the person in front and no having to sit slightly sideways to fit your shoulders in between the supporters on either side of you. Likewise then for the 2 knees sticking into your back.Anyway, Waterford play better in Thurles than anywhere else, other than our home venues. We'd be far more likely to get a big crowd travelling to lift the team as well, seeing as they wouldn't be stuck in traffic jams for hours trying to get out of Thurles.It's called lateral thinking.

By any chance are you on the Waterford County Board?
Nobody in his sane senses would want to play Tipperary in their own backyard. Only in Waterford would this happen. We have little enough chance as it is. I suspect Waterford Country Board wants this. This is a sprat to catch a mackerel. Wake up Waterford. This is about improving our chances of winning. Home veneue suits Tipperary. It is a crazy suggestion. This is called joined up thinking.
The late Christy Ring criticised Waterford County Board for conceding to Tipperary on this before and was proven correct when Waterford was hammered in Thurles by Tipperary

This message has been edited - 25-jun-2012 @ 02:36
jimmymahon
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 02:48
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Originally posted by JohnMcCain:

By any chance are you on the Waterford County Board?
Nobody in his sane senses would want to play Tipperary in their own backyard. Only in Waterford would this happen. We have little enough chance as it is. I suspect Waterford Country Board wants this. This is a sprat to catch a mackerel. Wake up Waterford. This is about improving our chances of winning. Home veneue suits Tipperary. It is a crazy suggestion. This is called joined up thinking.
The late Christy Ring criticed Waterford County Board for conceding to Tipperary on this before and was proven correct.

Last time I checked, the great Christy Ring went to his eternal reward in 1979, all of 33 years ago. Surely a more recent example of contemporary wisdom is in order.

Anyway, like I said, the Gaelic Grounds would be fine as an alternative to Thurles. The time you'd save by going on through the tunnel or any of the other many routes would be worth it, rather than getting stuck in traffic down around the Páirc.

Only a masochist would want to go to Páirc Uí Chaoimh (some might say Waterford hurling supporters are masochists anyway!). It's going to be an uphill battle against Tipp anyway, so at least you can escape the smell of the jacks in another stadium and maybe have a decent family day out, like my own family does every year we qualify for the final.

Twas bad enough last year to be beaten out the gate, but be heading home with a sore back, knees and with the smoke and the stench of p1ss fresh in the flared nostrils really topped off the day - that was until the traffic jam, that is.
daylo
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 08:59
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previous to all this talk munster council had released a statement as follows
Munster GAA News
Visit the Munster Council GAA Web site at http://munster.gaa.ie

The venue permutations for the Munster Senior Hurling and Senior Football Finals were confirmed at a meeting of the Munster CCC on Thursday. The venues are as follows -

Munster Senior Football Championship Final - Sunday July 8th at 2:00pm Cork v Clare - Gaelic Grounds Limerick Cork v Limerick - Gaelic Grounds Limerick (as part of a home and away arrangement) Kerry v Clare - Gaelic Grounds Limerick Kerry v Limerick - Fitzgerald Stadium Killarney (as part of a home and away arrangement)

Munster Senior Hurling Championship Final - Sunday July 15th at 4:00pm Tipperary v Clare - Gaelic Grounds Limerick Tipperary v Waterford - Pairc Ui Chaoimh Cork v Clare - Semple Stadium Thurles Cork v Waterford - Semple Stadium Thurles

Following a request from Waterford and the subsequent agreement of Tipperary, the CCC also agreed to move the semi-final of Electric Ireland Munster Minor Hurling Championship between Tipperary and Waterford from Friday June 29th to Wednesday June 27th at Semple Stadium Thurles.
daylo
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Posted: 25-Jun-2012 09:04
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people are worried about the choice of venue !!!!!!!
i am asking why if we have given away home advantage in the football for which a crowd of 10,000 will be there if we are lucky, this hurling qualifier could be up around the 15k mark. thats if the dubls travel.
jimmymahon
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Posted: 26-Jun-2012 00:40
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I am very disappointed that I will not be able to attend the Munster Hurling Final this year. I usually bring about 6-8 people with me, including visiting friends/relatives and kids.

I have already stated that after last year's experience, I will not be going back to PUC when there is a big crowd there. The place is fine with about 15 to 20,000 or so.

I'm not going to make claims about health and safety that I can't back up with paperwork (and with respect to the bossman here and his predicament), but let us say that I would have personal reservations about PUC at or near capacity.

I will watch on the telly instead. My next day out in Thurles will be on Wednesday for the minors (by the way, it would be nice if the Munster Council updated their website to show this fixture change - still showing as Friday). After that, who knows?

By the way, as previously stated, I would have been happy with the Gaelic Grounds as an alternative venue.

Can I just say of the players, who obviously agreed to the request by the Waterford Co. board - fair play to them for thinking of the supporters, even though home advantage would have been conceded to Tipp - it is appreciated. While I have been critical of decisions by the Waterford Co. board in the past, they tried to do the right thing here and it didn't work out. Thanks for trying.

I will give my ticket money as a donation to the players' training fund in Waterford in recognition of the efforts made.
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