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Penalty shoot-outs - not a lottery!
uachtaran
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24-Jun-2012 23:57
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As long as England kid themselves that penalty shoot-outs are a lottery then they will continue to lose them.
Read all the quotes from the players, Hodgson etc. same old rubbish that you can't prepare for the situation. If it is a lottery, why do the Germans nearly always win them and England nearly always lose.
Hindsight is easy, but there was no luck involved in Ashley Cole's miss. He hit it to the right and Buffon saved it easily. Anyone that watches football closely could have predicted this after the CL Final. He hit it badly - but it would have had to have been high to the right for Buffon not to save it. Watch Buffon's reaction afterwards - he pointed to his team mates -you don't need to be Italian to get the gist - "i knew he was going to hit it there"
Think of the time and money England have spent on this tournament. Its crazy that it should come down to something that simple.
That said clearly the best team went through.
But if you look back at England's exits over the last 16 years, there are two constants, fellas that never take penalties week to week missing, Southgate, Batty, Carragher, Cole, Ince
and fellas that take them regularly scoring, Gerrard, Shearer, Rooney, Lampard etc.
So whats the solution?
You take 6 guys that are going to be on the pitch at the end of extra time. The 3 that have the ability to hit either side and are used to it, e.g. tonite Rooney Gerrard are allowed to pick their spot. Those that never take them are given a spot (that they have never used before) and coached during the tournament to keep hitting this spot.
And here's the key: The non-regular takers all have to blast it high and hard. High hard and obviously below the bar! is rarely saved, but you have a window of about four feet in height to aim at- surely not too much for a professional footballer, e.g. Ashly Young!
People will say the two ashleys hit two bad penalties - but there is a massive difference. Youngs penalty was 4 inches to high from unstoppable. Cole could have hit his ten times and Buffon would have saved it every time - is that the hallmarks of a lottery?
I rest my case.
Yojimbo
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25-Jun-2012 00:22
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What Hodgson meant is you can't practice the mentality
Or the pressure
Or how you feel after 120 minutes of backs to the wall defending; in Cashley's case
loughcurraman
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25-Jun-2012 00:35
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The best team qualified for the semi final and that's all that matters. Italy deserved it , England didnt. But because Hodgson was appointed as manager at the last minute England's preparation for these finals was not anything near what it should have been. Hodgson admitted as much when he was asked at a press conference to assess Italy after they had qualified to meet them. He said he didnt know anything about them as he had not seen them play at all. He had watched Spain Croatia instead of Ireland Italy because he had assumed France would defeat Sweden which would have meant that England would have played Spain in the QF. When the results turned out differently he had to play catch up and watch videos of Italy in action. Given that chaotic preparation , which was something beyond his control, England did very well to even bring it to penalties.
Scaoil Amach an Bobailín
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25-Jun-2012 04:51
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Would there be an argument to be made for all 11 players from each team having the opportunity to take a penalty. Ok, it would be slightly more time consuming, but at least every player on the field could say they had their chance to affect the result. It would be a fairer barometer of a teams mental and technical strengths. Of course the game may not always end up 11-a-side, in which case the amount of penalty takers could be determined by the team with the least amount of players on the field...Just a thought.
Glór na ngael
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25-Jun-2012 08:39
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It is very common in Germany to have a penalty shootout at the end of a training session, which may explain why they're so comfortable in that situation.
stones_off
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25-Jun-2012 08:54
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Originally posted by Scaoil Amach an Bobailín:
Of course the game may not always end up 11-a-side, in which case the amount of penalty takers could be determined by the team with the least amount of players on the field...Just a thought.
Just to avoid confusion.
Currently if it is 10 v 11 when the penalty start. The team with 11 have to de-select one of their players from been involved in the penalty shoot-out.
Most teams line out with 4-4-2. With 5 attacking players (2 forwards, 2 wide players and 1 attacking midfield player). These 5 should be the first 5 to take it. Then the two full backs. The defensive midfield player, 2 centre backs and goal keeper should be last.
Finally, ANYBODY WHO THINKS PENALTIES ARE A LOTTERY IS AN IDIOT.
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