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Topic: Waterford Senior Hurling team / prep for Munster final
GluteusMaximus
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 10:37
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Any insights into what is happening in the Waterford hurling camp?
How is training going?
What is latest on injuries?
How is morale?
I believe they won a challenge against an experimental Galway team. What was the Waterford team?

There seems to be very little about Waterford hurling these days on AFR.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 11:38
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Best way to have it imo. Less of these leaks from the camp (although they do occur) and a tighter unit altogether which can only be a good thing.
No idea how training is going as I haven’t been there in an age at this stage. One would hope and assume it’s going well.
Anyone know how much longer Pauric Mahony is out for? I heard till the end or latter part of the championship. I was at the Ballygunner v Passage game 2 weekends ago and he was only walking around the pitch with the hurleys. He looked to be moving OK but not with full freedom if you know what I mean.

They won the Galway game 1-27 to 4-16 so it must have been loose enough. I think Shanahan scored 13 points with 11 of those from frees and Eoin Mcgrath got the goal.

A bigger issue is the problems going on off the field. The RhythmFest in Dungarvan over the weekend was not well supported and the county board are looking at a loss in the region of €50K on top of whatever was the short fall last year.

http://www.independent.ie/sport/hurling/waterfords-fundraising-hits-bum-note-after-50000-loss-on-gig-gamble-3155577.html
Blanco
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 11:59
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
They won the Galway game 1-27 to 4-16 so it must have been loose enough.

1-27 is good scoring , and Galway hammered Tipp in a challenge match a week or so before the Tipp / Cork match so you would have to put Waterford as clear favorites for Sunday week.

Anyone any updates on the Tipp camp , I heard on the night of the last match that Buggy O'Meara had done some ligament damage and would be out of the Munster final, but I have not heard anything else on it since then.



seoulofgaa
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 12:06
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Waterford at 4/1 P Power looks a tasty price to myself. Tipp have gone down a bit since last year and Waterford have been on a roll since avoiding league relagation.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 12:19
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Originally posted by Blanco:
1-27 is good scoring , and Galway hammered Tipp in a challenge match a week or so before the Tipp / Cork match so you would have to put Waterford as clear favorites for Sunday week.

Ya but the Waterford lads had to pay €5 to get into Mojo the other night after the Clare game where as the Tipp lads had free admission into Lars place after the Cork game.
That’s a big advantage to Tipp and puts them as raging favourites for the Munster Final imo.
Blanco
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 12:24
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Originally posted by Keanes Road:
Ya but the Waterford lads had to pay €5 to get into Mojo the other night after the Clare game where as the Tipp lads had free admission into Lars place after the Cork game.
That’s a big advantage to Tipp and puts them as raging favourites for the Munster Final imo.

That's why we are Munster champions and ye are not.

And it even makes more a nonsense of the decision not to play it in Thurles.

That way everyone could have enjoyed free admission to Lar's after the match.



Keanes Road
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Posted: 03-Jul-2012 12:36
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Originally posted by Blanco:
That's why we are Munster champions and ye are not.And it even makes more a nonsense of the decision not to play it in Thurles.That way everyone could have enjoyed free admission to Lar's after the match.

Exactly, and what’s more we could all have had live music to listen too while we waited for the Sunday game to come on. It was a no brainer.
ray76
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Posted: 04-Jul-2012 08:46
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i was at training last night in walsh park. pauric took a full part in training. the only one who didnt take part was eoin kelly, not sure why
lovelyriver
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Posted: 04-Jul-2012 09:31
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Buggy will be fine. Mikey C & Woody are doubts but The Saint is back in contention.
GluteusMaximus
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 21:32
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Still all quiet on the Waterford front?

Are they going to Porky Kweeve just to keep make up the numbers or can they give Tipp a rattle?
Surely the Galway performance today has to provide inspiration?
lovelypoint
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 21:43
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Originally posted by GluteusMaximus:
There seems to be very little about Waterford hurling these days on AFR.

Think it's simply down to lack of any sort of buzz about hurling this year, at least in the city. Walking through the city a few hours before the Waterford-Clare game, there was barely a flag to be seen. You would not have known there was a match on. Not sure what it is like in the rest of the county.
Blanco
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 21:49
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Originally posted by GluteusMaximus:
Still all quiet on the Waterford front?Are they going to Porky Kweeve just to keep make up the numbers or can they give Tipp a rattle?
Surely the Galway performance today has to provide inspiration?

Given Waterford's experiences against KK in the last few years they may not be too disappointed if they lose next Sunday and may see a easier route to the final via the quarterfinals and then Galway, whom they have a good record against.

I expect this years final to be much much closer than last years, Tipp were the much better team last year but the winning margin was a bit of a freak or one off.

Every Munster championship match this year so far has been in the melting pot going into the last 5 mins , probably more of the same next Sunday , but I would still expect Tipp to come through.


kieran73
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 21:59
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Given Waterford's experiences against KK in the last few years they may not be too disappointed if they lose next Sunday and may see a easier route to the final via the quarterfinals and then Galway, whom they have a good record against.I expect this years final to be much much closer than last years, Tipp were the much better team last year but the winning margin was a bit of a freak or one off.Every Munster championship match this year so far has been in the melting pot going into the last 5 mins , probably more of the same next Sunday , but I would still expect Tipp to come through.

Disgraceful and totally armchair comment to make , showed your own affinity in that post . Anyway , for the true hurling people here , apart from the usual injuries , all is ok in Waterford so far , great to see the buzz and spark when Ken takes training , lets hope that continues for the week ahead .Will be at least 2 changes to the Waterford team on sunday , Foley and Gav under pressure ...
Blanco
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Posted: 08-Jul-2012 23:10
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Originally posted by kieran73:
Disgraceful and totally armchair comment to make , showed your own affinity in that post . Anyway , for the true hurling people here , apart from the usual injuries , all is ok in Waterford so far , great to see the buzz and spark when Ken takes training , lets hope that continues for the week ahead .Will be at least 2 changes to the Waterford team on sunday , Foley and Gav under pressure ...

Hang on , I never said they would throw it , I just said they won't be too down if they get beat this time, are you denying that Waterford have a bit of a hang up about facing KK?

Academic anyway, this game is up to Tipp , if Tipp turn up on Sunday in the right frame of mind then the title is theirs again this year.

Waterford are a decent side but Tipp should hold all the aces, but as Brian Cody said after today's match 'anything happen in sport on any given day'.

I thought the Sunday Game might do a few minutes preview on it tonight, but barely a word about it other than to wish Stephen Mulumphy the best of luck on Sunday.

Even when Des was talking about what was coming up next week he mentioned there was a full round of football qualifiers but not a mention of the Munster final.










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Uisce Fort
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 00:06
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To be fair to Blanco, he didn't mean any offence and is correct in what he said IMO. If we do lose next Sunday, then there's a path through to an AI final that wouldn't involve having to beat Tipp or KK to get there. That's a huge incentive and I'm sure the likes of Cork, Clare, Limerick and Wexford would be thinking the same. That's all of course if Tipp do indeed beat us and we're just speculating.

As for changes, the consensus seems to be that Foley might be dropped. I haven't seen the lads training lately so I don't know how he's going but he didn't really stand out v Clare or for Abbeyside v Lismore two weeks ago. Gav seems to be going well, if he is to be dropped, who would you replace him with? Martin O'Neill, Paul O'Brien, Tommy Ryan? Paudric isn't fit enough to start but may play some part. Connors the obvious choice to fill in for the injured Ringo.

kieran73
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 00:15
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Despite recent history , the suggestion that there's a hang up in Waterford about playing KK is ludicrous , it's something that's looked forward to . For what it's worth , Waterford have played KK in 6 national finals with KK 3-2 up and one draw , so despite recent history there's never been a fear of KK in any shape or form that I've heard of ( maybe from the post 98 brigade there could be but I wouldn't know !! ) .
Incognito
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 07:25
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I would prefer to play Kilkenny in a semi final then a final
merlante
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 10:26
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Originally posted by Incognito:
I would prefer to play Kilkenny in a semi final then a final

Indeed, and as munster champions. The chances of winning an AI without playing and beating KK at some point are fairly low anyway, and when you starting thinking of avoiding this team or that team then you're finished.

The best thing for Waterford is to keep winning, starting with Tipp and take some silverware in the process. Tipp will be favourites, but with a new backroom team, a new (old?) style of play, a good few young players coming through and a big panel, Waterford have a great chance to step up. I'm quietly confident of a result myself this year.
blaaboy
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:12
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All this talk about losing to avoid KK is complete and utter nonsense. Both Tipp and Waterford will be firmly fixed on winning next Sunday and securing a place in the semi.

Why in Gods name would either of them want to end up in a quarter final gouping of most likely Cork, and either Clare /Limerick.

You win next week and you can sit and wait while the others batter the living sh1te out of each other for the right to play you.

Yesterday has shown that on any given day there is very little betwen the top 5/6 counties. Not saying KK are on teh way down but this their third defeat by a hefty margin in three big matches in Croker over the last two years,by three different sides. something unheard of previously. They will no doubt be back this year again but surely the air of invinvibility is being dismantled.

Despite all the talk about tactics Galway hurled man for man yesterday like men possessed. They showed respect but no fer. They played the percentages most of teh time batting bals down rather than allowing KK dominate teh air which teh normally do and they competed ferociously for the breaking ball and moved the ball fast into space, not giving the KK backs the chance to settle in their usual formation.

Waterford wil need to hurl with the same abandon next week. We need to compete from start to finish from number 2 - 15, work for each other as Galway did and show respect not fear.

Tipp are a top class side, but this Waterfrod side has a lovely mix of youth and experienc and I am really hopeful of a big performance next week. A win next week is vital.
lovelypoint
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:08
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Have no fear both Waterford and Tipp will be out to win next Sunday, leaving nothing behind them in their attempt to do so. As a Waterford man, I think we need more games though. There are some promising green shoots in Waterford, especially with the way we are setting out to play under new management this year. Gone is the painful sight of the rugby style play of the last 3/ 4 years, and for once, I feel we have some potential to build upon. All that needs games to build upon though, even were Waterford to step up big time on Sunday.

If Tipp do win on Sunday though, it should make for an interesting championship, with KK & Tipp on one side of the draw and on course to meet in a semi, with Waterford and Galway on the other side of the draw.

Does anyone know to which sides of the draw that the winners of Limerick/Clare and Cork/Wexford get allocated, or is it based on avoiding repeats of earlier pairings, with Waterford/Clare the only potential rematch to be avoided, should Clare come through (and Tipp win on Sunday).
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lovelypoint
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:20
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Originally posted by kieran73:
Despite recent history , the suggestion that there's a hang up in Waterford about playing KK is ludicrous , it's something that's looked forward to . For what it's worth , Waterford have played KK in 6 national finals with KK 3-2 up and one draw , so despite recent history there's never been a fear of KK in any shape or form that I've heard of ( maybe from the post 98 brigade there could be but I wouldn't know !! ) .

Would tend to agree. Only hangup I see is the one of not wanting to play the AI champions, if it can be avoided before the final stage. Think most teams aside from Tipp would probably feel the same about wanting to avoid Kilkenny in so far as possible.

I can understand however how people would suspect some sort of hangup about Waterford playing Kilkenny, given the destruction in '08, and since then, with what would seem to be Waterford's tendency to settle for moral victories against Kilkenny, when there was the perceived possibility of pushing them further.

I say this as a Waterford man, and one who felt there was more to play for when we met the Cats in semis in '09 & '11. I can imagine neutrals being similarly frustrated, especially last year, when they felt we might have pushed the Cats further, rather than settling for a somewhat respectable defeat of 'only 6 points'. Defeats like these would truly make you wonder, if within the Waterford team psyche that there is a belief that Kilkenny can be beaten, or whether a lot of the team have Kilkenny up on some pedestal.

As mentioned, it would seem that up until relatively recently, only Tipp seemed to possess the belief that KK could be beaten. Galway have obviously changed the perception of what is possible against the Cats yesterday, and it will be interesting to see where-to from here for Kilkenny. No doubt they are still extremely dangerous, but will other teams now smell blood when they play them?
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johnny cash
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:25
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spot on blaa. throwing a game to potentially avoid kilkenny is fraught with all sorts of danger. plus its highly disrespectful of galway because it suggests that a team would rather meet galway in the semi final. I am not so sure i d be in a rush to claim that side of semi final draw after yesterday!

anyway sure maybe a team is better off to play kilkenny in the all ireland semi final than the final.

talk of teams not trying next sunday to avoid kilkenny is fair foolish talk

Originally posted by blaaboy:
All this talk about losing to avoid KK is complete and utter nonsense. Both Tipp and Waterford will be firmly fixed on winning next Sunday and securing a place in the semi. Why in Gods name would either of them want to end up in a quarter final gouping of most likely Cork, and either Clare /Limerick. You win next week and you can sit and wait while the others batter the living sh1te out of each other for the right to play you. Yesterday has shown that on any given day there is very little betwen the top 5/6 counties. Not saying KK are on teh way down but this their third defeat by a hefty margin in three big matches in Croker over the last two years,by three different sides. something unheard of previously. They will no doubt be back this year again but surely the air of invinvibility is being dismantled.Despite all the talk about tactics Galway hurled man for man yesterday like men possessed. They showed respect but no fer. They played the percentages most of teh time batting bals down rather than allowing KK dominate teh air which teh normally do and they competed ferociously for the breaking ball and moved the ball fast into space, not giving the KK backs the chance to settle in their usual formation. Waterford wil need to hurl with the same abandon next week. We need to compete from start to finish from number 2 - 15, work for each other as Galway did and show respect not fear. Tipp are a top class side, but this Waterfrod side has a lovely mix of youth and experienc and I am really hopeful of a big performance next week. A win next week is vital.

Uisce Fort
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:29
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:
Does anyone know to which sides of the draw that the winners of Limerick/Clare and Cork/Wexford get allocated, or is it based on avoiding repeats of earlier pairings, with Waterford/Clare the only potential rematch to be avoided, should Clare come through.

IMO, I think it'll be Clare and Cork to come through, which would mean if we lose on Sunday, we couldn't face Clare again meaning a 1/4 final with Cork. However, did they not introduce a rule whereby teams CAN meet again at the 1/4 final stage or beyond? If so, that would mean an open draw, I'm open to correction though.
lovelypoint
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:37
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Originally posted by Uisce Fort:
IMO, I think it'll be Clare and Cork to come through, which would mean if we lose on Sunday, we couldn't face Clare again meaning a 1/4 final with Cork. However, did they not introduce a rule whereby teams CAN meet again at the 1/4 final stage or beyond? If so, that would mean an open draw, I'm open to correction though.

Yes, fair play to the confusion the GAA fosters every year amongst fans, with all their tinkering it never seems certain what the setup re: draws and even replays & extra time are!

In any case, would not be so sure about Clare being favourites to come through. Think Limerick-Clare might be a real humdinger. Clare need it to push on, but Limerick equally need it, so shall be a very interesting game, especially one between close neighbours.

On the other side, it would seem a very big scalp if Wexford could beat Cork, so would expect to see Cork come through, with no disrespect to Wexford.

In any case, the rematches I mentioned presumed Tipp would win on Sunday (obviously full of optimism!).
Blanco
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:40
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Originally posted by johnny cash:
spot on blaa. throwing a game to potentially avoid kilkenny is fraught with all sorts of danger. plus its highly disrespectful of galway because it suggests that a team would rather meet galway in the semi final. I am not so sure i d be in a rush to claim that side of semi final draw after yesterday! anyway sure maybe a team is better off to play kilkenny in the all ireland semi final than the final.talk of teams not trying next sunday to avoid kilkenny is fair foolish talk

I don't think anyone is saying that anyone would throw next weeks final,that's never going to happen, I just mentioned that if Waterford were to lose they would not feel as if their year was more or less over.

I actually think a loss on Sunday would be far more devastating to Tipp on Sunday than it would be to Waterford, I think a defeat for Tipp would open up all the Management / Player fallout talk again and would be crushing to morale.

As for Semi Final opponents as I said in another thread , if Tipp get that far I don't think it really makes that much difference to Tipp be it Galway or KK , championship matches against both of those have been tough close encounters in the last few years and with Galway's pace in the forwards if anything this Tipp team is more setup to play KK rather than Galway.

Where as I think Waterford given their championship record against both of these would much prefer to play Galway rather KK, that's not saying they will try to avoid KK , just making the point.



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