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jaykeane (102 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 13:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jaykeane (102 Posts)	With all this talk about Katie Taylor’s chances of gold in the upcoming Olympics something that seems to be lost and brushed under the carpet by the media is the fact that women’s boxing is a dubious sport. I have to say I find two women beating the heads & diddies off each other slightly uncomfortable. Granted since they got the vote they think they can do what they want but they have an obligation to us males to take care of the way they look & make sure their diddies are in good working order .
Habanerocat (2,252 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 13:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Habanerocat (2,252 Posts)	Don't worry about it. With your attitude you'll have no hope anyway with a girl like Katie.
m_the_d (1,199 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 13:48	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
m_the_d (1,199 Posts)	Originally posted by Habanerocat: Don't worry about it. With your attitude you'll have no hope anyway with a girl. Fixed that for you.
jaykeane (102 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 14:58	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jaykeane (102 Posts)	Don’t worry about me fellas I never had any problem with the wenches, crumpet like to be put in their place by men even though they might not admit it. I sure as hell don’t go for the type that enjoys pucking the head off another wench , I’m sure ye find you’re fill of them types when ye go on the pull in places like Rathkeale and such. All these women lib type butch mickey dodging ugly bears of yokes seem to be the ones with this chip on their shoulders; those are the ones with the issues. No doubt suffering from “serious lack of pipe syndrome” .
scelp (1,695 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 15:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
scelp (1,695 Posts)	Id say Katie wouldn't be suffering from a serious ''lack of pipe'' if she wanted it but it may be against her Christian faith to be loosish. And Jay please don't ever rant like that within Katies hearing range as I'd be deeply worried as to where any old pipe laying around might end up. Boxing is a noble sport for all its practionitioners. We need more women active and fit, not less.
batter burger (1,950 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 15:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
batter burger (1,950 Posts)	I have three young daughters and if they ever wanted to box I genuinely think I would be heartbroken. Katie Taylor seems like a really lovely girl and i wish the best for her but I have never seen her box and will probably only ever do so if she makes the olympic final. I think its fair to say that it is a dubious sport and moreso a distasteful one.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 15:30	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by batter burger: I have three young daughters and if they ever wanted to box I genuinely think I would be heartbroken. Katie Taylor seems like a really lovely girl and i wish the best for her but I have never seen her box and will probably only ever do so if she makes the olympic final. I think its fair to say that it is a dubious sport and moreso a distasteful one. Quiet BB - our best (only???) hope of a gold medal so any talk disparaging the sport of women's boxing is deemed heretical.
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 15:45	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	It would have been some gorefest if there was women's olympic boxing when those East German and other iron curtain type "ladies" of yesteryear were competing.
JoNinety (Power User)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 15:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JoNinety (Power User)	When women's boxing first became popular in the 90s most of the boxers were rough in and out of the ring with Jane Crouch a typical example. However with women's boxing becoming universally widespread, it's great to see that there's also room for likeable classy characters like Katie Taylor. I would recommend it for any girl to take part in as much as I would other Olympic sports such as taekwondo, judo or wrestling and I definitely wouldn't see camogie or rugby as any better a female sport. Surely in the year 2012 there aren't Neanderthals still around with small-minded views such as thinking that women shouldn't take part in male orientated sports like boxing because it's unbecoming, unladylike or too dangerous for them?
batter burger (1,950 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 16:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
batter burger (1,950 Posts)	Originally posted by JoNinety: When women's boxing first became popular in the 90s most of the boxers were rough in and out of the ring with Jane Crouch a typical example. However with women's boxing becoming universally widespread, it's great to see that there's also room for likeable classy characters like Katie Taylor. I would recommend it for any girl to take part in as much as I would other Olympic sports such as taekwondo, judo or wrestling and I definitely wouldn't see camogie or rugby as any better a female sport.Surely in the year 2012 there aren't Neanderthals still around with small-minded views such as thinking that women shouldn't take part in male orientated sports like boxing because it's unbecoming, unladylike or too dangerous for them? Neanderthal signing in!
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 16:51	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Originally posted by JoNinety: When women's boxing first became popular in the 90s most of the boxers were rough in and out of the ring with Jane Crouch a typical example. However with women's boxing becoming universally widespread, it's great to see that there's also room for likeable classy characters like Katie Taylor. I would recommend it for any girl to take part in as much as I would other Olympic sports such as taekwondo, judo or wrestling and I definitely wouldn't see camogie or rugby as any better a female sport.Surely in the year 2012 there aren't Neanderthals still around with small-minded views such as thinking that women shouldn't take part in male orientated sports like boxing because it's unbecoming, unladylike or too dangerous for them? There's a good few lady boxers in the club I go to and a fair few of them are fcekin gorgeous and very smart girls. They're also a fcekload more interesting than girls that'll try a new crash course diet out of heat magazine every other month rather than get some exercise. They don't need to take part in sparring or enter competitive fights to be a part of the sport though some of them do and its grand, heavy gloves and pads no one gets hurt. A lot of girls I know at home are doing it as an exercise class too. Incidentally, the only sport I do feel is unsuitable for women is rugby, looks horrific to me yet I'm fine with boxing. Go figure.
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 17:03	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Originally posted by glasandbán: There's a good few lady boxers in the club I go to and a fair few of them are fcekin gorgeous and very smart girls. They're also a fcekload more interesting than girls that'll try a new crash course diet out of heat magazine every other month rather than get some exercise. They don't need to take part in sparring or enter competitive fights to be a part of the sport though some of them do and its grand, heavy gloves and pads no one gets hurt. A lot of girls I know at home are doing it as an exercise class too. Incidentally, the only sport I do feel is unsuitable for women is rugby, looks horrific to me yet I'm fine with boxing. Go figure. How are you with mud-wrestling?
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 17:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	Womens rugby seems ideally suited to it's participants, as it's the only time they're likely to be willing to do any ball-handling.
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 17:18	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: How are you with mud-wrestling? I find it most edifying.
mexican (591 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 17:26	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
mexican (591 Posts)	Jaysus, it's no wonder participation levels of women in sport is so low when you see some of the comments in this thread. Whatever sporting activity a girl chooses should be encouraged.
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 17:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Originally posted by mexican: Jaysus, it's no wonder participation levels of women in sport is so low when you see some of the comments in this thread.Whatever sporting activity a girl chooses should be encouraged. The ability to cleave the heads off one another should be encouraged? Many doctors believe that boxing of all kinds should be banned. http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/boxing.shtml Many doctors see boxing as an unacceptably dangerous sport. Dr Trisha Macnair last medically reviewed this article in January 2011. On this page What impact do boxing-related brain injuries have? What help is there? Why are boxing injuries different to those in other sports? Cuts and bruises are the most common boxing injuries, and many boxers leave the ring needing stitches to the face and dental work. Body blows can lead to broken ribs and internal bleeding. Potentially blinding eye injuries can occur but may be difficult to detect except by specialist examination. Although many injuries occur, boxing accounts for fewer deaths than many other sports, but the British Medical Association (BMA) says this is insignificant compared to the effects of brain damage that may go unrecorded in many boxers. As boxing involves powerful people hitting each other repeatedly, often around the head, there are significant risks of head injury. Most serious of all is a risk of permanent severe brain damage. According to brain surgeons, over 80 per cent of professional boxers have serious brain scarring on MRI scans. The evidence for harm or cumulative brain damage to amateur boxers is less clear. Other research has shown that a chemical called neurofilament light or NFL, which is released when nerve cells are damaged, is four times higher than normal in boxers after a fight and up to eight times higher when there have been more than 15 high-impact hits to the head. It takes about three months for levels to return to normal after a fight. While other injuries repair relatively easily, brain tissue, once damaged, remains damaged. The symptoms of such brain damage - commonly known as being 'punch drunk' - include slurred speech, slow reactions and even occasional blackouts (‘chronic traumatic encephalopathy’). These symptoms may take years to appear – on average about 16 years after taking up boxing, but sometimes as later as 40 years, long after the boxer has retired from the sport. The BMA, which represents 84 per cent of the UK's doctors, opposes boxing primarily because of the threat to the brain and eyes. What impact do boxing-related brain injuries have? Brain damage occurs in one of two ways: Catastrophically, meaning it follows an injury sustained in a single bout. This was the case in boxer Michael Watson’s injury, when a blood vessel in the skull burst and a clot put pressure on the brain tissue. There is little doubt in these cases that the damage is a result of fighting. The injury may be rapidly fatal or cause long term disability. Gradually, meaning the brain damage builds up slowly as a result of repeated blows to the head. It can be less clear in this instance exactly how much brain damage is a result of boxing or due to other concurrent disease processes. For example, many people assume that the symptoms suffered by the world's most famous fighter, Muhammad Ali, were brought about by his numerous fights in the ring. But he is suffering from Parkinson's disease and there is only circumstantial evidence to suggest it was brought on by his boxing career, although the condition is more common in ex-fighters than the general public. Top What help is there? Some steps may help to make boxing safer such as using head guards or having shorter rounds, but there isn’t much evidence to show these really reduce the risk of injury. Doctors who support boxing say the risk of serious injury is low if proper medical care is available at the ring. Michael Watson's High Court claim centred on whether better treatment early on would have prevented the serious damage he sustained. Certainly ringside medical care has improved since then. However, having a specialist in resuscitation and brain damage at the ring can’t prevent a head injury occurring in the first place and Paul Ingles, seriously injured after a fight in 2000, sustained serious brain injuries despite immediate ring side treatment, and is permanently disabled as a result. In 1995 the British Board of Boxing Control introduced a raft of measures to improve safety. One was the introduction of annual MRI brain scans for boxers, and the minimum length of time between fights for boxers who suffered a knockout was extended from 28 to 45 days. However, the BMA's concern remains with head injuries. For the moment it continues to lobby for a total ban on boxing for men or women. Professor Hugh Bayne, from Sunderland University, has examined the case law surrounding boxing and suggested a way to get the sport as good as banned. He wrote in the British Medical Journal that doctors could make boxing illegal in the UK simply by withdrawing their support and refusing to attend bouts. He pointed out medical cover is a legal requirement at all boxing promotions and, given the dangers associated with the sport, asked if the profession should withdraw its co-operation. Top Why are boxing injuries different to those in other sports? Injuries occur in most sports but are generally unintentional and unwanted. One of the central points of the argument against boxing is that the very intention of the sport is to cause a head injury. In boxing the main aim is to knock the opponent unconscious, which is achieved by injuring their brain through a blow to the head.
mexican (591 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 17:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
mexican (591 Posts)	So you're opposed to both Mens and Womens boxing due to the nature of injurys? That's not really the title of the thread and what has been said above about womens participation in that and other contact sports. At the end of the day there are different levels of injury risks in all sports. You take those when you decide to participate.
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 18:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Originally posted by mexican: So you're opposed to both Mens and Womens boxing due to the nature of injurys? That's not really the title of the thread and what has been said above about womens participation in that and other contact sports.At the end of the day there are different levels of injury risks in all sports. You take those when you decide to participate. The level of injuries sustained in boxing are of a different order to most sports, so yeah, I am opposed to them. This isn't just my opinion, but that of the American Medical Association and that of the British Medical Association. As regards the OP, I'm for gender equality (in most cases), so I'd believe you can't really be against women's boxing if you're for the male equivalent, as both involve malicious intent. The only difference is the level of power involved.
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 20:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
frasiercrane (1,843 Posts)	Considering the amount of hype she is getting how many people in Ireland have watched womens boxing.
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 20:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Originally posted by Glór na ngael: you can't really be against women's boxing if you're for the male equivalent, as both involve malicious intent. The only difference is the level of power involved. What about amateur level?
jaykeane (102 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 21:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jaykeane (102 Posts)	Originally posted by batter burger: I have three young daughters and if they ever wanted to box I genuinely think I would be heartbroken. Katie Taylor seems like a really lovely girl and i wish the best for her but I have never seen her box and will probably only ever do so if she makes the olympic final. I think its fair to say that it is a dubious sport and moreso a distasteful one. Totally agree. A womans body is a covenant for the unborn and should be treated with respect. Taking uppercuts to the womb and jabs to the boobs (mmmm boobs) is physical abuse inflicted under the umbrella of 'sport'. Look its simple men are the warriors women are the worriers.
The Jedi (214 Posts)	Posted: 03-Jul-2012 21:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
The Jedi (214 Posts)	Originally posted by scelp: Id say Katie wouldn't be suffering from a serious ''lack of pipe'' if she wanted it but it may be against her Christian faith to be loosish. You have a way with words!! Interesting topic though, got me thinking... Being honest, if we didn't have Katie Taylor, I would have zero interest in women boxing and I probably would disagree with it being an Olympic sport. Some just not right about it.
Cheesus (89 Posts)	Posted: 04-Jul-2012 00:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cheesus (89 Posts)	In the first place mens boxiing is questionable but I do enjoy it at times. It is not an appropriate sport for ladies maybe not for men either.
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Posted: 04-Jul-2012 08:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Originally posted by glasandbán: What about amateur level? There is some evidence to suggest that headgear doesn't mitigate the injuries suffered by amateur boxers, so lots of medical professionals also class amateur boxing as dangerous. Boxing Damages Brain Despite Headgear Protection http://news.softpedia.com/news/Boxing-Damages-Brain-Despite-Headgear-Protection-35433.shtml Amateur boxers are as likely as professional ones to suffer brain damage after fights in the ring, according to a recent study conducted by Swedish researchers. Despite the fact that amateur boxers have shorter fights and wear protective headgear, they are very prone to developing dementia pugilistica. Dementia pugilistica, also known as the punch-drunk syndrome, is a neurological condition which affects professional boxers and occurs due to the numerous and repetitive blows received by boxers throughout time. Dementia pugilistica's main symptoms are dementia and Parkinsonism. The average onset of the neurological disorder occurs after 16 years after being in the boxing ring. But the study carried out by researchers at the Sahlgrenska University Hospital found that dementia pugilistica disease does not only affect career boxers, it can also be developed by amateur boxers who have been in the boxing ring for a shorter period and received, by far, fewer head blows. Henrik Zetterberg, M.D., Ph.D., of the Sahlgrenska University Hospital stated: "to our knowledge, no study has examined the short-term effects of amateur boxing on the brain in direct connection to a bout." In the study, the team analyzed the cerebrospinal fluid of 14 amateur boxers with an average age of 22 after 7 to 10 days after they had a fight in the boxing ring and also after a 3-years period after the match. They compared the results from amateur boxers with results from perfectly healthy people who were not involved in any kind of sport which could cause them head traumas. Findings of the cerebrospinal fluid tests after boxing matches showed that amateur boxers presented increased levels of markers for neuronal, axonal and astroglial injuries. "The current study contributes new information about brain injury risks in amateur boxing. Data suggest that participation in an amateur boxing bout is directly associated with neuronal and astroglial damage, as reflected by the increase in NFL, T-tau, and GFAP concentrations in cerebrospinal fluid," explained the authors. But the same tests taken after 3 months of rest from fights in the ring proved that boxers presented decreased, therefore normal, levels of the fibrillary acidic protein (marker for astroglial injury). However, levels of neurofilament light protein (marker for neuronal and axonal injuries) were still higher in amateur boxers as compared to healthy people not involved in any kind of violent sport. "The molecular changes detected are likely to be even more pronounced in professional boxers and in boxers who have received a knockout punch. If verified in longitudinal studies with extensive follow-up regarding the clinical outcome, analysis of cerebrospinal fluid may provide a scientific basis for medical counseling of athletes after boxing or head injury," Swedish researchers concluded in their report published in the Archives of Neurology journal.
An Carta Bui (277 Posts)	Posted: 04-Jul-2012 09:26	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
An Carta Bui (277 Posts)	if Taylor wasnt in with a chance of a medal we wouldnnt care about womens boxing. We are so desperate for any bit of glory that we go along with the charade

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