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rebelrising (484 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrising (484 Posts)	While all the attention will be on the Clare-Limerick qualifier, lets not forget the rebels and the the yellow belly's will also be fighting it out for an all ireland quarter final place. Cork will start as strong favourites but a shock can't be ruled out as the rebels were far from impressive in disposing of Offaly.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	I can't see how Wexford's defeat of Westmeath will have put the fear of god into Cork either Rebel. Cork by 10 would be my prediction. This message has been edited - 09-jul-2012 @ 11:38
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by rebelrising: Cork will start as strong favourites but a shock can't be ruled out as the rebels were far from impressive in disposing of Offaly. They were still comfortable enough without really stretching themselves, I think JBM got it spot on last night when he said along the lines that it is not unusual for a team to be a bit flat in their first qualifier game especially when they go in as hot favorites, he is not too worried about the display. And if anything Offaly are a good bit better than Wexford and can't really see Cork having to get out of 3rd gear to win this one either. Cork have had a right good run of 'easier side' draws in the qualifiers so far , maybe they will be due to get the more testing one in the Quarterfinals , assuming they win on Saturday of course.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Blanco: ...Cork have had a right good run of 'easier side' draws in the qualifiers so far , maybe they will be due to get the more testing one in the Quarterfinals , assuming they win on Saturday of course. Very true - not sure if we'd still be standing had we Clare, Limerick or Dublin instead of Offaly ( who in fairness hurled superbly at times and scored some beautiful points from distance). Against the handy(ish) qualifiers however, it'd be nice for Cork to avoid a first c'ship outing against Tipp for a change!!
rebelrising (484 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:47	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrising (484 Posts)	Westmeath scored a good bit against Galway! I know impossible to compare as Galway were playing at different intensity level. I think Wexford will cause Cork problems but Cork will score a lot of points but like Donal O Grady said Cork need to start putting the heading down and and going for goal. Physically we might not be strong or experienced enough yet though.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 11:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	I agree with you regarding the physical side of Cork's game, during last nights highlights on the SG they looked to be avoiding the tackle. They were doing a lot of short handpassing to avoid breaking or engaging the tackle i thought. I suppose more Intercounty Hurling will bring them on, hurling wise they look the part but they do need to improve in the physical stakes i would agree.
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	Originally posted by Rebel CNC: Against the handy(ish) qualifiers however, it'd be nice for Cork to avoid a first c'ship outing against Tipp for a change!! From this post, I think you're speaking about a scenario where Cork beat Wexford and Waterford beat Tipp - otherwise Tipp would no be in the qualifiers. So you're suggesting we'd prefer to play Kilkenny? They are still hot favourites for Liam, despite yesterday's screw-up.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by About a Bicycle: From this post, I think you're speaking about a scenario where Cork beat Wexford and Waterford beat Tipp - otherwise Tipp would no be in the qualifiers. So you're suggesting we'd prefer to play Kilkenny? They are still hot favourites for Liam, despite yesterday's screw-up. Apologies - not very clear in my post. I was replying to post re our "easy" qualifiers and noting that against that, we have drawn Tipp for our first c'ship outing every year since 2007! Certainly would not want to be drawing KK and even more so after yesterday. They will not be happy and their next opponents could be in for some backlash!!
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 12:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	I think this is the worst possible draw from a Cork point of view. Patchy and all as we were against Offaly and with all due respect to Wexford we should win this at a reasonable canter. We will then go into the quarters somewhat cold to face a battle hardened and experienced Waterford or Tipp and a wounded KK. Not the best preparation. Limerick would have been a better draw for us.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 13:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Anyone but FF: I think this is the worst possible draw from a Cork point of view. Patchy and all as we were against Offaly and with all due respect to Wexford we should win this at a reasonable canter. We will then go into the quarters somewhat cold to face a battle hardened and experienced Waterford or Tipp and a wounded KK. Not the best preparation. Limerick would have been a better draw for us. KK will be in a fury next time out. They could hand a young Cork team another battering. Before yesterday, I'd have thought that if we met KK in semi final, we'd have put up a good show albeit probably lose by 5-7 point margin at end. Can now see KK handing out a 12-15 point thrashing to whoever they come up against in q final.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 13:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by Anyone but FF: I think this is the worst possible draw from a Cork point of view. Patchy and all as we were against Offaly and with all due respect to Wexford we should win this at a reasonable canter. We will then go into the quarters somewhat cold to face a battle hardened and experienced Waterford or Tipp and a wounded KK. Not the best preparation. Limerick would have been a better draw for us. Dont agree at all abff. It was either limerick or wex and regardless of who we got its just another match to move forward. I wouldnt be worrying about going in cold etc, its not like we are standing around waiting, it will be a quarterfinal same for the other team on the day. If anything we should have huge motivation should we meet Kilkenny or Tipp or Waterford, we have lost to all 3 in crucial matches in the last few years so if anything we should go in confident. Anyways thats down the road, we need to be up for wexford, wont be easy, they will have the support there but i still think we are a bit better than them.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 13:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by Rebel CNC: KK will be in a fury next time out. They could hand a young Cork team another battering. Before yesterday, I'd have thought that if we met KK in semi final, we'd have put up a good show albeit probably lose by 5-7 point margin at end. Can now see KK handing out a 12-15 point thrashing to whoever they come up against in q final. I hope our players dont have that mindset Rebel!..seriously its getting silly at this stage we know how good they are and they will be formidable next day out i assume but its like we all should hide and be afraid. Teams are beaten before they get on the pitch with Kilkenny i think. Look at Galway yesterday they showed it can be done and for me they have given everyone some hope, they are not unbeatable afterall.
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 13:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by Rebel CNC: KK will be in a fury next time out. They could hand a young Cork team another battering. Before yesterday, I'd have thought that if we met KK in semi final, we'd have put up a good show albeit probably lose by 5-7 point margin at end. Can now see KK handing out a 12-15 point thrashing to whoever they come up against in q final. Just say Cork do meet KK. So it's ok to lose by 5 0r 7 pts to kk because they feel a little pity for ye , but if they are mad they will hammer ye. And Cork have no say in this at all? Never thought I would see Cork confidence levels so low. It seems when KK are hammering teams they are just barely unbeatable but when they get hammered themselves then they are totally unbeatable.
Deiseallstar (69 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 13:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Deiseallstar (69 Posts)	A lot of discussion going on about future pairings in the Hurling Champonship. My understanding is that Galway now play the Munster Runner up or who ever beats them in the semi final. The munster champions play KK or who ever beats them in the other semi final. Is that correct? What is the position of the draw at quarter final stage ? Kk and the munster losers are on one side of the draw with the winners of Clare/Limerick and Cork/ Wexford on the other. Wonder is it a open draw or can counties who have met already meet again at this stage Like say Waterford/Clare or Tipp/Cork or Tipp/ Limerick
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 14:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by rebelrebel30: I hope our players dont have that mindset Rebel!..seriously its getting silly at this stage we know how good they are and they will be formidable next day out i assume but its like we all should hide and be afraid. Teams are beaten before they get on the pitch with Kilkenny i think. Look at Galway yesterday they showed it can be done and for me they have given everyone some hope, they are not unbeatable afterall. Fair point but just feel that this Cork team still liable to be cut open by KK. Galway have given everyone hope but I guess people have been expecting this Galway team to deliver at some stage. Their team is built on solid performances at minor/u21 level over last few years.
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 14:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	Originally posted by rebelrebel30: Dont agree at all abff. It was either limerick or wex and regardless of who we got its just another match to move forward. I wouldnt be worrying about going in cold etc, its not like we are standing around waiting, it will be a quarterfinal same for the other team on the day. If anything we should have huge motivation should we meet Kilkenny or Tipp or Waterford, we have lost to all 3 in crucial matches in the last few years so if anything we should go in confident.Anyways thats down the road, we need to be up for wexford, wont be easy, they will have the support there but i still think we are a bit better than them. Course we should have huge motivation to beat anyone thats left in championship but I doubt that Wexford are capable of bringing the same intensity to a game that Limerick can. Look at the games last year we gave Laois an awful beating and scraped over the line against Offaly in two games that you couldnt say had the blood and thunder feel to them that say the KK v Galway game or our game with Tipp had, we then went out and got blown off the field by Galway after half codding ourselves that we were ready for battle. Id rather have Limerick tear into us as Wexford rolling over meekly will do little for the development of this Cork team.
hurlingfan (75 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 23:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
hurlingfan (75 Posts)	We are waiting in the long grass
loughcurraman (1,456 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 00:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
loughcurraman (1,456 Posts)	Originally posted by Blanco: They were still comfortable enough without really stretching themselves, I think JBM got it spot on last night when he said along the lines that it is not unusual for a team to be a bit flat in their first qualifier game especially when they go in as hot favorites, he is not too worried about the display.And if anything Offaly are a good bit better than Wexford and can't really see Cork having to get out of 3rd gear to win this one either.Cork have had a right good run of 'easier side' draws in the qualifiers so far , maybe they will be due to get the more testing one in the Quarterfinals , assuming they win on Saturday of course. I wouldnt agree that Offaly are a good bit better than Wexford at all. Wexford could easily have beaten Offaly in Tullamore a few weeks back , a couple of bad decisions..going for goals when points were there for the taking cost them the win. If this game was taking place in Wexford Park I'd give them a very good chance of causing an upset. since it's in Thurles you'd have to go with Cork but I think they will only win by 4 or 5 points.
loyalfan (308 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 12:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
loyalfan (308 Posts)	Advantage Cork alright, Thurles is as good as a home venue for them. Wexford wouldnt have much experience down there, be interesting to see how it goes. Don't think Cork are up to much either, could be a lot closer than people think.
nlgbbbblth (3,600 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 19:51	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
nlgbbbblth (3,600 Posts)	Originally posted by loughcurraman: I wouldnt agree that Offaly are a good bit better than Wexford at all. Wexford could easily have beaten Offaly in Tullamore a few weeks back , a couple of bad decisions..going for goals when points were there for the taking cost them the win.If this game was taking place in Wexford Park I'd give them a very good chance of causing an upset. since it's in Thurles you'd have to go with Cork but I think they will only win by 4 or 5 points. I think Wexford would have beaten the Biffos if they had another three or four minutes. A championship losing streak of 56 years against Cork has gotta end sometime.
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 20:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Anyone but FF (1,490 Posts)	The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Wexford on Saturday at 5pm in the All-Ireland Qualifiers Phase III at Semple Stadium, Thurles, will line out as follows: 1. Anthony Nash Kanturk 2. Shane O'Neill 3. Damien Cahalane 4. Brian Murphy Bishopstown St. Finbarr's Bride Rovers 5. Tom Kenny 6. Christopher Joyce 7. Eoin Cadogan Grenagh Na Piarsaigh Douglas 8. Lorcán McLoughlin 9. Pa Cronin Kanturk Bishopstown 10. Conor Lehane 11. Cian McCarthy 12. Niall McCarthy Midleton Sarsfields Carrigtwohill 13. Paudie O'Sullivan 14. Luke O'Farrell 15. Patrick Horgan Cloyne Midleton Glen Rovers 16. Darren McCarthy Ballymartle 17. Conor O'Sullivan Sarsfields 18. Stephen Mc Donnell Glen Rovers 19. William Egan Kilbrin 20. Seán Óg hAilpín Na Piarsaigh 21. Daniel Kearney Sarsfields 22. John Gardiner Na Piarsaigh 23. Darren Sweetnam Dohenys 24. Jamie Coughlan Newtownshandrum 25. Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum 26. Stephen Moylan Douglas The line-up for Saturday's game shows four changes from the starting fifteen that defeated Offaly last weekend, with Damien Cahalane making his Championship début at full back. Eoin Cadogan returns to the team following his involvement in Cork's Munster Football Final victory last Sunday, and Niall McCarthy is back from injury, having come on as a sub against Offaly. Pa Cronin partners Lorcán McLoughlin at mid-field, while Luke O'Farrell comes in at full forward, with Jamie Coughlan making way. Conor O'Sullivan, William Egan and Darren Sweetnam are named in the substitutes.
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 22:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	The Good: (a) McLoughlin/Cronin midfield - should have been this partnership from the start of the year, but eventually they got there. TBF they only have both McCarthys fit and ready to go now. (b) Cadogan at half-back - think he is best suited to this position, particularly with him yet to concentrate on hurling. (c) A more physical presence at 3. (d) Luke O'Farrell deserves to start, and offers a slightly more aggressive and physical option at 14, which is needed. (e) They seem to be thinking things through on the fly and based on form (kind of), which I like from a management in its first year. Negs: (a) Sweetnam, our most talented young player imo, is out. He may still be ill as he was against Offaly, but I'd prefer to see him play every game if he is 100%, even at half-forward, even if that means moving Lehane inside. (b) Our full and center-back are at least a year short of playing at this level. Neither played much in the league which is poor foresight on the management's part (c) Egan doesn't deserve to be dropped. Conor O'Sullivan doesn't deserve to be dropped going on recent games, although I have a feeling he isn't fast/strong enough to be a really good corner-back at inter-county level. (d) Kearney has done enough to start ahead of McLoughlin, although I guess they want to see what McLoughlin looks alongside Cronin. It is a promising partnership imo but if they are picking players on form Kearney should start. (e) The inside forwards - Padraig O'Sullivan, in a Cork jersey, has always looked the best at 14, by far. His neat, tidy hurling but lack of real pace means he is suited to 14 rather then the corner for me. Dislike that he is moved out of there, and honestly if he isn't going to play at full I'd rather give Moylan a crack. Also Cian McCarthy doesn't cover ground enough for anywhere other then 14.
focal scoir (53 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 22:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
focal scoir (53 Posts)	A third full back in 4 games, hardly a good sign at this stage. Cadogan will probably play at 6. His lack of hurling will surely be exposed no matter where he plays. Why do I get the feeling that this team is built on sand. I'll travel in more hope than confidence on Saturday.
seanie (1,079 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 22:17	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
seanie (1,079 Posts)	I think the selectors have had a bit of a panic attack. Obviously the playing of 3 corner backs in the full back line was farcical and going to cost us, but imo osullivan was the most consistent of the 3. Obviously its anyone except mcdonnell for full back, and cahalane is a huge gamble, I think cadogan will actually start on the wing, egan is dropped (is he still carrying an injury?) for being too nice as a defender. Would have stuck with sweetnam over mcloughlin. Other then tahat happy enough with forwards aldo cian mac does not have the pace for the half forward line, should be in 14 with hoggy coming out. It seems the naive greyhound approach has been dropped and we are realising that a bit of cutting and physicality is requried for this level. Only 3 players - sean og, gradiner and mcdonnel have got no game time so far, dont think they will ow either.
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 22:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	Originally posted by seanie: It seems the naive greyhound approach has been dropped and we are realising that a bit of cutting and physicality is requried for this level. Not sure, I think/hope they planned to have this midfield/half-forward set up from the beginning but injuries to the two McCarthys stopped it from happening.

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