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Bressie (388 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 16:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Bressie (388 Posts)	Anton Ferdinand has told a court he would have been "very hurt" if he had heard John Terry racially abuse him. Chelsea and England footballer Mr Terry, 31, is charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence - an allegation he denies. It relates to a comment allegedly made by the Chelsea captain to the QPR defender when the teams played at Loftus Road last October. The trial, set to last five days, is at Westminster Magistrates' Court. If found guilty, the maximum sentence Mr Terry could receive is a £2,500 fine. When someone brings your colour into it, it takes it to another level and it's very hurtful” Lip reader and sign language interpreter Susan Whitewood concurred the bad language had been employed. Mr Ferdinand told the court that initially he did not think any racist terms had been used. But after the match, his girlfriend at the time played him a YouTube clip and he changed his mind. The QPR defender told the court that if he had realised at the time he would have told officials. "I would have been obviously very hurt and I probably wouldn't have reacted at the time because, being a professional, you can't do that. "I probably would have let the officials know what happened and dealt with it after the game," he said. "When someone brings your colour into it, it takes it to another level and it's very hurtful." Under cross-examination, Mr Ferdinand said he was no stranger to being sworn at and agreed he had also sworn at players. The alleged racial obscenity was spoken during a match at Loftus Road At the QPR home match on 23 October, Chelsea were down to nine men when Mr Ferdinand and Mr Terry began trading insults over a penalty claim, the court heard. Asked why he was so angry with Mr Terry appealing for a penalty, Mr Ferdinand, describing himself as a "calm, collected player", said: "Because I am a winner." Proceedings in court have been punctuated by swear words but Mr Ferdinand insisted he did not use those words off the pitch. George Carter-Stephenson QC asked the witness if by shouting abuse at the Chelsea player he was "trying to get a rise out of Mr Terry and get him to react?" "Probably, yes," responded Mr Ferdinand. "There wasn't long left in the game." The QC suggested that Mr Ferdinand had made up the allegation of racism as swearing at him and talking about his alleged affair was not having "the desired effect" of winding Mr Terry up. Mr Ferdinand denied this. Mr Carter-Stephenson also suggested the player only decided to go to police when persuaded by his agent Justin Rigby. But Mr Ferdinand replied: "No, I made up my own mind, I wanted to do it." In re-examination, he said he was initially reluctant to talk to the police because it was a sporting issue. "This is a footballing issue that happened on the football pitch where we work," Mr Ferdinand told the court. The Chelsea captain was allowed out of the dock into the well of the court to view footage of the alleged insult. 'Bad breath' The court heard that Mr Terry maintains he was only sarcastically repeating words that Mr Ferdinand wrongly thought he had used, during the match which was broadcast to millions of people. Opening the prosecution, Duncan Penny said: "The Crown's case is that the words were abusive and insulting in a straightforward sense." He added that a racially abusive obscenity had been uttered "demonstrating hostility based on Mr Ferdinand's membership of a racial group". "They were uttered by the defendant in response to goading by Mr Ferdinand on the issue of his extra-marital affair, rather than by way of exaggerated and instant querying of a perceived false allegation," he said. Two TV clips and footage not previously broadcast of the incident, normally used for training purposes, were shown to the court. The trial heard that Mr Ferdinand said something about the Chelsea player's alleged affair and made fist gestures, before Mr Terry responded. Chelsea team-mates John Mikel Obi and Ashley Cole were nearby when insults were traded, but they will not be called as witnesses as part of the prosecution case. 'It's handbags' In a statement to the Football Association five days afterwards, Mr Terry said that he and Mr Ferdinand had been exchanging "verbals" and he had made a gesture to imply Mr Ferdinand had bad breath. He said: "We're still having a, sort of, ding-dong, if you like," adding that was when the QPR player had used a racially abusive obscenity. Mr Terry said he did not think Mr Ferdinand was referring to him, but nevertheless he still took "strong offence". John Terry said he and the QPR player had been exchanging "verbals" The England defender said he was not offended by the taunts about the alleged affair with Wayne Bridge's ex-girlfriend, because "it's not the first time I've heard it, so it's with a pinch of salt a little bit now". But he said he was angered by any accusation that he might have used a racist insult. After the match, Mr Terry asked a steward to get Mr Ferdinand from the dressing room. The Chelsea player said in his statement that he had asked Mr Ferdinand if he was accusing him of using racially abusive language towards him. Whilst footballers are used to industrial language, using racist terms is completely unacceptable whatever [the] situation” John Terry (statement) Later, in an interview, he added: "I'm being honest and open with you guys, that I didn't mean it in the context that, if you watch the video and me, watching the video, you can quite easily say that doesn't look good. "But at the same time, in the context of what I thought Anton accused me of, you know, no-one can argue what my feelings were at that time." Immediately after the match, Mr Ferdinand did not think that Mr Terry had used racist words, the court heard. "It's handbags innit - it's what happens on the pitch", he said, and the two shook hands. In a statement made to police last November, Mr Terry said he was offended by the accusation that he had used racist language. "Whilst footballers are used to industrial language, using racist terms is completely unacceptable whatever [the] situation," the statement read. "I was completely taken aback by this remark as I have never been accused of something like that and I did not take his remark lightly at all, and took strong offence to his suggestion." Police questioned the ex England captain under caution in November 2011 after a complaint from a member of the public following the Premier League match. As a summary offence under the Crime and Disorder Act, the trial will be fully dealt with in a magistrates' court, with no jury, and is being heard by Chief Magistrate Howard Riddle. Anton Ferdinand has played for West Ham, Sunderland and QPR and is the brother of Rio Ferdinand, John Terry's England team-mate and defensive partner for the national side.
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 17:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	The legal eagles must be pi$$ing into their port. Two soccer players call each other names and suddenly we're in Westminster magistrates court. We all know racism is totally unacceptable but this has nothing to do with racism, this is just about overpaid low-life wasting everybody's time and their own money. It does show up some of the flaws in British justice system - the lawyers probably couldn't give a toss as long as they are being paid and, rest assured, they will be paid big-time.
red1892 (516 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 17:09	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
red1892 (516 Posts)	dont like terry one bit,but surely if the other idiot ferdinand had kept his mouth shut instead of bringing personal stuff up,surely all this would have been avoided.it seems anton was well able to dish it out but not able to take it.
Pog Mahone (9,387 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Pog Mahone (9,387 Posts)	Originally posted by red1892: dont like terry one bit,but surely if the other idiot ferdinand had kept his mouth shut instead of bringing personal stuff up,surely all this would have been avoided.it seems anton was well able to dish it out but not able to take it. I’d imagine that after the sledging that went on (as it does in every match) Ferdinand couldn’t believe it when he saw that the odious scumbag had been caught on camera with his (alleged) racist abuse. Among the other activities of this odious scumbag are: January 2002, charged with assault after a drunken fight with nightclub doormen. Terry admitted throwing a punch but said it was in self defence, cleared. 2002, CCTV cameras caught him being thrown out of an Essex nightclub after urinating into a beer glass 2005, after a particularly embarrassing flurry of revelations, Terry announced: 'I really regret what I've done to Toni. I've misbehaved and slept with girls behind her back and that's not right”. 2005, 2 months later, he was having sex in his Bentley with a 17-year-old autograph hunter whom he'd bumped into in the street. 2008, At a party held in a London club between England qualifying games, he was reportedly so drunk that he, once again, urinated on the floor. 2008, joined lapdancers on stage 2009, his mother Sue Terry and mother-in-law Sue Poole received police cautions after being accused of stealing food and clothing worth hundreds of pounds from Tesco and Marks & Spencer in Weybridge, Surrey 2009, an undercover journalist filmed Terry's father, Ted, a retired forklift truck driver, arranging a cocaine deal in an Essex pub 2009, secretly filmed giving an unauthorised tour around Chelsea's training facilities to journalists posing as businessmen, in return for £10,000 cash. The club must not know, the 'businessmen' were warned. Other Terry tours could be organised for a similar fee. 2009, affair with Vanessa Perroncel, a friend of his wife’s And now the (alleged) racist abuse. Maybe, just maybe, he might get done this time, fingers crossed. Unfortunately of course he has his supporters here as well.
jerryp (1,260 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
jerryp (1,260 Posts)	What an utterly sordid affair. Imagine him being a role model for anyone !
iced earth (140 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
iced earth (140 Posts)	You could also throw in how he treated his one time friend Wayne Bridge. With friends like these enemies become superfluous. Originally posted by Pog Mahone: I’d imagine that after the sledging that went on (as it does in every match) Ferdinand couldn’t believe it when he saw that the odious scumbag had been caught on camera with his (alleged) racist abuse.Among the other activities of this odious scumbag are: January 2002, charged with assault after a drunken fight with nightclub doormen. Terry admitted throwing a punch but said it was in self defence, cleared. 2002, CCTV cameras caught him being thrown out of an Essex nightclub after urinating into a beer glass 2005, after a particularly embarrassing flurry of revelations, Terry announced: 'I really regret what I've done to Toni. I've misbehaved and slept with girls behind her back and that's not right”. 2005, 2 months later, he was having sex in his Bentley with a 17-year-old autograph hunter whom he'd bumped into in the street. 2008, At a party held in a London club between England qualifying games, he was reportedly so drunk that he, once again, urinated on the floor. 2008, joined lapdancers on stage 2009, his mother Sue Terry and mother-in-law Sue Poole received police cautions after being accused of stealing food and clothing worth hundreds of pounds from Tesco and Marks & Spencer in Weybridge, Surrey 2009, an undercover journalist filmed Terry's father, Ted, a retired forklift truck driver, arranging a cocaine deal in an Essex pub 2009, secretly filmed giving an unauthorised tour around Chelsea's training facilities to journalists posing as businessmen, in return for £10,000 cash. The club must not know, the 'businessmen' were warned. Other Terry tours could be organised for a similar fee. 2009, affair with Vanessa Perroncel, a friend of his wife’s And now the (alleged) racist abuse.Maybe, just maybe, he might get done this time, fingers crossed.Unfortunately of course he has his supporters here as well.
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by Pog Mahone: I’d imagine that after the sledging that went on (as it does in every match) Ferdinand couldn’t believe it when he saw that the odious scumbag had been caught on camera with his (alleged) racist abuse.Among the other activities of this odious scumbag are: January 2002, charged with assault after a drunken fight with nightclub doormen. Terry admitted throwing a punch but said it was in self defence, cleared. 2002, CCTV cameras caught him being thrown out of an Essex nightclub after urinating into a beer glass 2005, after a particularly embarrassing flurry of revelations, Terry announced: 'I really regret what I've done to Toni. I've misbehaved and slept with girls behind her back and that's not right”. 2005, 2 months later, he was having sex in his Bentley with a 17-year-old autograph hunter whom he'd bumped into in the street. 2008, At a party held in a London club between England qualifying games, he was reportedly so drunk that he, once again, urinated on the floor. 2008, joined lapdancers on stage 2009, his mother Sue Terry and mother-in-law Sue Poole received police cautions after being accused of stealing food and clothing worth hundreds of pounds from Tesco and Marks & Spencer in Weybridge, Surrey 2009, an undercover journalist filmed Terry's father, Ted, a retired forklift truck driver, arranging a cocaine deal in an Essex pub 2009, secretly filmed giving an unauthorised tour around Chelsea's training facilities to journalists posing as businessmen, in return for £10,000 cash. The club must not know, the 'businessmen' were warned. Other Terry tours could be organised for a similar fee. 2009, affair with Vanessa Perroncel, a friend of his wife’s And now the (alleged) racist abuse.Maybe, just maybe, he might get done this time, fingers crossed.Unfortunately of course he has his supporters here as well. You can also add this 2001 Terry went on a five hour bender with Chelsea colleagues culminating in Heathrow airport where they stripped naked, shouted abuse and vomited in front of American guests as they watched television coverage of the 9/11 attacks in New York. Their hotel manager described their actions as as ‘utterly vile’, while then Chelsea boss Claudio Ranieri admitted ‘they had no decency or respect.’
murraymarmalade (2,008 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 12:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
murraymarmalade (2,008 Posts)	Originally posted by Blanco: Terry went on a five hour bender with Chelsea colleagues culminating in Heathrow airport where they stripped naked, shouted abuse and vomited in front of American guests as they watched television coverage of the 9/11 attacks in New York. Their hotel manager described their actions as as ‘utterly vile’, while then Chelsea boss Claudio Ranieri admitted ‘they had no decency or respect.’ Imagine getting into that state after five hours. Irish lads on a stag would only be getting warmed up and a bit merry then.
Hurling Expert (113 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 12:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hurling Expert (113 Posts)	Terry was made captain of the English soccer team, despite his long record for loutish behaviour. There are no limits to the depth the sport of soccer will stoop to.
hurling immortal (267 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 14:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
hurling immortal (267 Posts)	tery also doesnt mind parking in handicap spots and paying the fine.. why does the english soccer player seem such a s****g compared to his european counterparts..?(in general) i mean ryan giggs and joey barton are two other beacons of light..
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 15:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by hurling immortal: ) i mean ryan giggs and joey barton are two other beacons of light.. Far from me to defend a Utd player but I think it is unfair to lump Giggs in there with the other two. What he does in his love life is his and his own families business and does not really affect anyone else, just as Terry's affairs are private matters , but all the other stuff from Terry is s****g behavior of the highest order , just like Barton and his assault convictions.
slow hands (871 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 10:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
slow hands (871 Posts)	Didn't he also double park his bentley outside a bookies everyday whilst he was spunking thousands down the drain. I saw this quote about english soccer players yesterday: "I know from my own experience that this is certainly true in America where soccer is a middle-class, white collar game. It's more left-field and less 'jock' - so much so I've met red-necks who consider it un-American. When we see players such as Clint Dempsey, Brad Freidel or Stuart Holden interviewed it's like seeing a high-achieving student talk about their sport whereas the British interviewee looks more like he's up in court on a petty theft charge, nervously glancing from side to side, a hunted look in his eyes. He can't wait to get away" It's hardly news that Terry is a pikey. Hopefully he will be charged with something soon. If not, he could always get into Irish politics.
JoNinety (Power User)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 10:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JoNinety (Power User)	Originally posted by Blanco: Far from me to defend a Utd player but I think it is unfair to lump Giggs in there with the other two.What he does in his love life is his and his own families business and does not really affect anyone else, just as Terry's affairs are private matters , but all the other stuff from Terry is s****g behavior of the highest order , just like Barton and his assault convictions. Ryan Giggs is the biggest scut of them all. Riding his brother's wife while his own missus was in hopital having a baby. Nothing Terry has done is as bad as that.
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 12:30	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Glór na ngael (1,198 Posts)	Originally posted by JoNinety: Ryan Giggs is the biggest scut of them all. Riding his brother's wife while his own missus was in hopital having a baby. Nothing Terry has done is as bad as that. Terry played away on his wife nine times and went off with the mother of a team mate's child. If there's a distinction, it's a fine one.
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 12:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
cerebus (3,258 Posts)	Originally posted by Glór na ngael: Terry played away on his wife nine times and went off with the mother of a team mate's child. If there's a distinction, it's a fine one. Tsk, tsk, t'would never happen here.
Not Men But Giants (623 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 14:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Not Men But Giants (623 Posts)	John Terry is a s****g and I hope he gets what's coming to him. Rio Ferdinand was desperately treated by Roy Hodgson, big PR fúck up there. However, Anton Ferdinand initiating a slagging match with a low blow and then running to the authorities playing the race card is just sad.
Hurling Expert (113 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 14:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hurling Expert (113 Posts)	Originally posted by Not Men But Giants: John Terry is a s****g and I hope he gets what's coming to him. What????
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 15:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by Not Men But Giants: John Terry is a s****g and I hope he gets what's coming to him.Rio Ferdinand was desperately treated by Roy Hodgson, big PR fúck up there.However, Anton Ferdinand initiating a slagging match with a low blow and then running to the authorities playing the race card is just sad. As much as I detest the fcuker and his behavior in the past and would love to see him found guilty , I actually don't think he has much of a case to answer on this one , and I hate to say it but he should be found not guilty here. Political correctness is keeping this case alive, two grown men got into a slagging match , that is it.
theface2010 (3,490 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 15:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theface2010 (3,490 Posts)	Originally posted by murraymarmalade: Imagine getting into that state after five hours. Irish lads on a stag would only be getting warmed up and a bit merry then. This to me is the most shocking of all-if lads are getting into that state after 5 hours they have no business going on a bender. JT is a most vile human and bad things deserve to happen to him but I don't think it will here-even if he gets found guilty, afaik a 2 grand fine and a slap on the wrists is the maximum he will get here-he can hardly tarnish his reputation anymore than it already is.
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Posted: 11-Jul-2012 15:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Originally posted by theface2010: This to me is the most shocking of all-if lads are getting into that state after 5 hours they have no business going on a bender. JT is a most vile human and bad things deserve to happen to him but I don't think it will here-even if he gets found guilty, afaik a 2 grand fine and a slap on the wrists is the maximum he will get here-he can hardly tarnish his reputation anymore than it already is. If found guilty, then he would surely face an FA rap also? I think the FA could not investigate as this case was now in the hands police. The police did not want any criminal case against Terry clouded by an FA investigation and or hearing. I know 2 grand is small potatoes to Terry so a 7 or 8 match ban by the FA would probably hurt this clown more.
Pog Mahone (9,387 Posts)	Posted: 13-Jul-2012 14:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Pog Mahone (9,387 Posts)	Not guilty!! Unbelievable!!
Stamford Bridge (92 Posts)	Posted: 13-Jul-2012 14:35	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Stamford Bridge (92 Posts)	Originally posted by Pog Mahone: Not guilty!! Unbelievable!! ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Now do us all a favour and take your pathetic hand wringing somewhere else you clown!!
Pog Mahone (9,387 Posts)	Posted: 13-Jul-2012 14:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Pog Mahone (9,387 Posts)	The headhunters were outside cheering as the scu*mbag was being let out
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 13-Jul-2012 14:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	As with Rangers going into div 3, watch the football authorities now tie themselves in knots to try and ignore the trial verdict and enhance their anti-racism credentials by trying to judge Terry themselves anyway.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 13-Jul-2012 14:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Originally posted by Blanco: As much as I detest the fcuker and his behavior in the past and would love to see him found guilty , I actually don't think he has much of a case to answer on this one , and I hate to say it but he should be found not guilty here. Political correctness is keeping this case alive, two grown men got into a slagging match , that is it. In fairness to the Brits, both in JT trial and in Rangers Newco vote, they appear to be taking a commendably sensible and fair approach to things these days. Pressure from respectively SPL/media friends of Rangers in Scotland and the pc/liberal agenda in England have been ignored. Terry a scu*bag of the highest order and should probably be in jail by now for other matters but should not have been in the dock for this charade. This message has been edited - 13-jul-2012 @ 14:49

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