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glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Kilkenny are still there and will regroup, but the beating Galway gave them will give hope to Clare, Cork or Limerick in the qualifiers that they could similarly take them on... Tipp haven't looked as good as recent years yet this year but have yet to find their best 15 it looks like, how much they'll improve it's hard to say. Can Galway repeat that performance? They won't be complacent in a final and they wouldn't be complacent against Cork or Tipp, which should focus the minds and if not inspire the same level as yesterday would ensure a performance capable of winning I think. They won't lack for motivation against Waterford. That leaves either Limerick or Clare who might spring a surprise but I don't think either are up to that level yet. Don't want to be contributing to the Galway hype but surely now they're favourites to go on and win it?
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Galway will never have a better chance..If Tipp and Kilkenny end up in a semi, the victors may have to expend more energy that they were originally planning for..I'd be curious as to whether the Tipp lads think this has reshaped their year a bit..Last year KK assumed Tipp would get to the final, and planned accordingly..compare the lethargic semi final v Waterford to the sharp performance in the final. If I had a gun to my head, i'd say Tipp will shade it over Galway, provided they get no injuries in the meantime..KK's record in the back door isn't great, and they may have to beat Cork Tipp and Galway to win an all Ireland..tough at the best of times..
Healy52007 (531 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Healy52007 (531 Posts)	think the year will pan out like this Phase 3 Cork vs Wexford- Cork Clare vs Limerick- Clare after Extra Time QF Kilkenny vs Clare- Kilkenny by a cricket score Waterford vs Cork- Cork with a handy win SF Galway vs Cork- Galway with another impressive win Tippeary vs Kilkenny- Kilkenny win by a point Final Galway vs Kilkenny- Kilkenny win by 10 points
1944 (1,054 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:48	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
1944 (1,054 Posts)	Kilkenny will still win it. 6/5 only still in bookies today was expecting bit better. Galway & Tipp both 11/4. Nxt up Cork at 11/1
1st Time (1,296 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
1st Time (1,296 Posts)	Originally posted by Cat Malojan: Galway will never have a better chance..If Tipp and Kilkenny end up in a semi, the victors may have to expend more energy that they were originally planning for..I'd be curious as to whether the Tipp lads think this has reshaped their year a bit..Last year KK assumed Tipp would get to the final, and planned accordingly..compare the lethargic semi final v Waterford to the sharp performance in the final. If I had a gun to my head, i'd say Tipp will shade it over Galway, provided they get no injuries in the meantime..KK's record in the back door isn't great, and they may have to beat Cork Tipp and Galway to win an all Ireland..tough at the best of times.. The gentle hurling we've seen from Tipp and Cork this year would be blown off the hinges by what Galway produced yesterday.
1st Time (1,296 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
1st Time (1,296 Posts)	Originally posted by glasandbán: Kilkenny are still there and will regroup, but the beating Galway gave them will give hope to Clare, Cork or Limerick in the qualifiers that they could similarly take them on...Tipp haven't looked as good as recent years yet this year but have yet to find their best 15 it looks like, how much they'll improve it's hard to say.Can Galway repeat that performance? They won't be complacent in a final and they wouldn't be complacent against Cork or Tipp, which should focus the minds and if not inspire the same level as yesterday would ensure a performance capable of winning I think. They won't lack for motivation against Waterford. That leaves either Limerick or Clare who might spring a surprise but I don't think either are up to that level yet.Don't want to be contributing to the Galway hype but surely now they're favourites to go on and win it? Limerick could rattle a few cages! They have youth, size, good forwards and are building a head of steam.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by 1st Time: The gentle hurling we've seen from Tipp and Cork this year would be blown off the hinges by what Galway produced yesterday. Ya but every match is different and on any given day you dont know how a team will perform. Galway were great yesterday but we have to wait and see can they do it all the time. They had motive for sure yesterday v Cats.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Originally posted by Cat Malojan: Galway will never have a better chance..If Tipp and Kilkenny end up in a semi, the victors may have to expend more energy that they were originally planning for..I'd be curious as to whether the Tipp lads think this has reshaped their year a bit..Last year KK assumed Tipp would get to the final, and planned accordingly..compare the lethargic semi final v Waterford to the sharp performance in the final. If I had a gun to my head, i'd say Tipp will shade it over Galway, provided they get no injuries in the meantime..KK's record in the back door isn't great, and they may have to beat Cork Tipp and Galway to win an all Ireland..tough at the best of times.. Wouldn't buy into the idea at all really. Maybe under Sheedy Tipp would have planned as such for KK, but now i think there is such competition for places that lads can only think about themselves. For me a KK v Tipp semi will/would be a serious game, the edge of not being in a Final will hype up the pressure ratings. KK will as suspected bottle up the hurt of yesterday and use it to their advantage yet. But the other side of the coin from yesterday is the belief it will have built up in the chasing pack. At 5/4 KK are a serious price to retain Liam McCarthy imo, Tipp at 11/4 is tempting alright but would lads lump on that considering a likely KK semi? Galway at 11/4 still don't represent value imo, can anyone confidently say Galway could replicate yesterdays performance against KK in a Final for example? I would have my doubts. Credit to Anthony Cunningham on getting them mentally right yesterday but i can't help but think that result resembles Tipp's defeat by Cork in 2010. Tipp whether they would admit were high on confidence after the 09 final and walked into a trap. KK were similar yesterday imo. Isn't it great, the fact that we are debating the potential winner of Liam McCarthy as opposed to who between Tipp & KK would perform on Final day. This message has been edited - 09-jul-2012 @ 19:00
Hold that Line (3,117 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hold that Line (3,117 Posts)	Kilkenny are still favourites IMO even though they may have to go through both Cork and Tipp to get to the final again. Tipp and Galway are probably neck and neck at this stage but only because Galway are already in a semi-final while Tipp still have to get over Waterford and even then may have Kilkenny to get past in the semis. After that not easy to predict who will come through between Waterford, Cork, Limerick and Clare. Maybe Waterford will throw another spanner in the works next weekend by beating Tipp?
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Well, with Offaly gone now, its Clare's to lose. D2, that wasn't you I met on the way out of Cusack Prk on Sat evening. If so, as I said at the time, I'm soory it was ye we had to beat. Keep the faith!
galwayforliam (724 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:45	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
galwayforliam (724 Posts)	Kilkenny are still favourites and rightly so. With the hurlers they have and all they have acheived they deserve to be. And although our lads were fantastic yesterday, it must be also said that Kilkenny underperformed hugely. They just weren't prepared for the intensity and ferocity we brought to the table and with our forwards being so sharp it meant the game was over by the time they woke up. Our result yesterday will now have the effect of Tipp coming in under the radar a small bit which may well suit them. They won't be far away. Realistically I don't see Cork or Waterford winning it. They could both conceivably best us in a semi final but I just can't see them being good enough. As regards ourselves, well I hope and pray we can do it and the players proved yesterday that they're more than good enough to do it. If we can put in 2 performances even close to matching yesterday's then we'll be All Ireland champions. Simple as that. But that's a huge if. So all I'll say is that we definitley have a chance and hopefully it'll all work out
caidman (1,541 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
caidman (1,541 Posts)	kilkenny are absolute certs and any odds against them should be mopped up fast !!
laochra gael (422 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:25	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
laochra gael (422 Posts)	Originally posted by carryharry: Isn't it great, the fact that we are debating the potential winner of Liam McCarthy as opposed to who between Tipp & KK would perform on Final day. Debate hasn't changed that much, it's KK or Tipp for Liam McCarthy and then who of the rest will get a day out (and a beating) in Sept
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Injury free, Kilkenny have the best 15 out there. If they get a run without injury's you'd have to fancy them to win it, even more so now that the tail has been put between their legs. They are (rightly in my view) regarded as the greatest side of all time, partly because of the way they seem to bounce back after defeat. The challenge for them now is to answer are they still the best. Tipp have not been as good as they have been in recent years but they are still an awesome side that will take stopping. And are, very worryingly, very quiet in their build up. Lessons learned from last year? After yesterday's result, Galway will rightly be fancied for a crack at the title. They have confidence to kick on and beat anyone after yesterday too, something they've lacked in recent years. Cork I think can cause an upset, but I would suspect would come up short against the above three. Limerick are too young for me, another season or two before they can be genuine challengers. Clare and Waterford are just not good enough I'm afraid. To sum up, Kilkenny, but not without some serious battles, and a hell of a war for the trophy.
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:55	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
T_de_B (3,147 Posts)	Originally posted by theblack&amber: They are (rightly in my view) regarded as the greatest side of all time. I agree whoeheartedly - the greatest team ever in any sport in Ireland, without a shadow of a doubt and a credit to the sporing jewel that is hurling. [/QUOTE] Clare and Waterford are just not good enough I'm afraid.To sum up, Kilkenny, but not without some serious battles, and a hell of a war for the trophy.[/QUOTE] May I, on hehalf of the Clare's and Waterford's of this world apologise for taking up space on your planet. May I remind you that without the Clares's, Waterford's, Dublin's, Wexford's, Laois', Galway's and Antrim's of this world, there would be no hurling and the titles ye garner so regularly wouldn't be worth a fúck. It's damned easy to keep the flag flying when titles are practically gauranteed regularly. What would Kilkenny hurling be like if they had to slog like the above teams fwiiting for the odd crumb to fall from the top trio's table? Maybe Kilkenny's attitude to football might be a clue.
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	The Cats still in pole position for me. Although Joe Canning, especially, played better than I can recall seeing him play for years, and will probably be able to maintain that standard through the remainder of their Championship, I strongly doubt that the team will be able to attain anything like that level of performance again. I also believe there'll be a lingering sense of self-congratulating among a number of the Galway players. Also, the cynic in me has a suspicion that Cody might just have set out to bank on cutting Tipp off at the pass, prior to them attaining their planned-for-September peak. Just a thought The teams that met in the last three Finals are still 1 and 2, in my book; Galway have shown that they have what it takes to get up there, but nobody will be underestimating them, any more
bluesky (559 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bluesky (559 Posts)	Originally posted by 1st Time: Limerick could rattle a few cages! They have youth, size, good forwards and are building a head of steam. will ya stop limerick wouldn't be in the same league of hurling we seen over the last few weeks, they have beaten laois and Antrim, now people think they will give the all ireland a crack its no wonder its 1973 since they won it
labane1917 (1,438 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:18	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
labane1917 (1,438 Posts)	Yesterday has blown this year's Championship wide open. While I would expect Kilkenny to bounce back the question is how much psychological damage has been done. Although Kilkenny have been beaten over the past decade they have never been played off the field as they were for the first 35 minutes yesterday. The last 3 years have shown that to win an AI you have to be able to at least reach Kilkenny's physicality and skill level and have a set of forwards who can rotate around the field at great pace and keep their backline on the back foot. The question is who can reach those levels. I would say Tipp and now Galway have shown they can but in reality there is no reason why any of the other contenders cannot as well with the right level of commitment and preparation. The main difference in Galway yesterday was the physical shape they were in (all of them but Canning and Tannion in particular) and their mindset going out. If a team is well prepared and have belief in their own ability, forget about their opponents's strengths and just play their own game they have every chance.
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:20	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	When they get Fennelly back KK will walk it.
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Sledgehammer (459 Posts)	Originally posted by Yojimbo: The Cats still in pole position for me. Although Joe Canning, especially, played better than I can recall seeing him play for years, and will probably be able to maintain that standard through the remainder of their Championship, I strongly doubt that the team will be able to attain anything like that level of performance again. I also believe there'll be a lingering sense of self-congratulating among a number of the Galway players.Also, the cynic in me has a suspicion that Cody might just have set out to bank on cutting Tipp off at the pass, prior to them attaining their planned-for-September peak. Just a thoughtThe teams that met in the last three Finals are still 1 and 2, in my book; Galway have shown that they have what it takes to get up there, but nobody will be underestimating them, any more I really worry about the length of time some people have been ón this site. SLR finds some excuse for kk losing a game everytime, without fail no matter how many disagree with him even the Kk fans Now Codys grand plan to beat Tipp in an All ireland semi as the cynic in you thinks that may be his preference. You really think that? At least you are correct with last remark, 1,2 and Galway show they are capable also now. Cork only other team for me at moment that may have some say.
Rafa Benitez (104 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rafa Benitez (104 Posts)	Originally posted by Cat Malojan: Galway will never have a better chance..If Tipp and Kilkenny end up in a semi, the victors may have to expend more energy that they were originally planning for..I'd be curious as to whether the Tipp lads think this has reshaped their year a bit..Last year KK assumed Tipp would get to the final, and planned accordingly..compare the lethargic semi final v Waterford to the sharp performance in the final. If I had a gun to my head, i'd say Tipp will shade it over Galway, provided they get no injuries in the meantime..KK's record in the back door isn't great, and they may have to beat Cork Tipp and Galway to win an all Ireland..tough at the best of times.. Galway slight favourites now in my book, and on form to date this year, its likely we will have a repeat Kilkenny v Galway final in September. Tipp are slightly off the radar this year and there is still a slight cloud of doubt if things are clicking 100% like they did in 09/10. Having said that if Tipp win next Sunday and meet Kilkenny in a semi final it should bring out the best in them and mentally it would suit them better, a kind of game to focus all minds. Last years semi final against Dublin seemed to drain tipp of all their confidence especially in the forwards and they seemed a little punch drunk against Kilkenny who took full advantage. Don't get me wrong even with tipp in full flow last September it probably wasn't going to be enough against a super drilled Kilkenny on the day. I feel the likes of Brian O Meara and Shane Burke can make a big impact for Tipp this summer, but other teams will try and exploit tipp defence which has looked a little shaky so far. I think Limerick are a team that will be very dangerous opponents for any team in the remainder of the championship pending of course surviving the local derby next Saturday.
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Turenne (1,088 Posts)	Anyone that was at the Offaly match will know Cork won't have a say for a very very long time. All in all I'll be happy if we beat Wexford and put out a decent promising performance in the game after. The more games the young lads play the better.
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Yojimbo (13,947 Posts)	Originally posted by Sledgehammer: Now Codys grand plan to beat Tipp in an All ireland semi as the cynic in you thinks that may be his preference. You really think that?At least you are correct with last remark, 1,2 and Galway show they are capable also now. Cork only other team for me at moment that may have some say. That's the cynic in me: I'm a Gemini, you see. But since the back-door system was introduced, provincial Finals have become part of a team's overall Championship-winning strategy. As is peaking at the right time. We got it badly wrong, last year, although misguided arrogance probably played its part; whereas Kilkenny timed it to perfection. Every indications are that we're trying to match the Cats formula. Like I said, just a thought
ProjX (726 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ProjX (726 Posts)	Limerick will win the All Ireland senior hurling in 2012.
lopper (1,990 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
lopper (1,990 Posts)	I was certain that KK would win before Sunday, but now I'm not entirely sure. I don't think they have suddenly declined - I think they had a massively off day, with respect to Galway - but it is indicative of a more shallow decline all the same, and underlines some of the issues that will eventually need to be addressed and players that need to placed. I actually think that the pendulum has swung slightly towards Tipp. Building nicely, quiet enough. Lessons quickly learned - see Bonnar Maher - Lar coming back into it. A tough Munster encounter where they battle against Waterford and finish strongly to win by 5 points would put them in pole position. I don't see it being a massacre like last year in either case, liked the look of Waterford the last day against Clare even if it finished close enough. If Waterford cause an upset next Sunday??? Blows the thing wide open. But not really. Limerick will win it. Cos we're f**kin' mighty!

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