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Topic: TIME FOR SHEFFLIN TO STEP DOWN.
flyinghigh
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:19
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I know i will get slated here but i really think Shefflin has reached the end of his inter county career.One of the greatest hurlers of all time looks so off the pace that its not nice to see him struggle and his frustration is becoming more evident.Cody went against public opinion when he discarded D.J Carey and is supposed to not do loyalty, what a big call awaits.Shefflins only contribution outside of the frees yesterday was to knock in the goal and I cant think of any other involvement he had in the match.Dont think it will happen but what a statement it would be and a wake up call to the entire panel.
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daylo
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:21
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let the dust settle
kilkenny will be back

shefflin will be the top of the pi;e to kick start that revival lads
1944
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 18:40
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Originally posted by flyinghigh:
I know i will get slated here but i really think Shefflan has reached the end of his inter county career.One of the greatest hurlers of all time looks so off the pace that its not nice to see him struggle and his frustration is becoming more evident.Cody went against public opinion when he discarded D.J Carey and is supposed to not do loyalty, what a big call awaits.Shefflans only contribution outside of the frees yesterday was to knock in the goal and I cant think of any other involvement he had in the match.Dont think it will happen but what a statement it would be and a wake up call to the entire panel.

No idea who this Shefflan chap is that u keep mentioning. But if u mean Henry Shefflin who only managed to score 1-8 of Kilkennys 2-11 yesterday, yeah of course they'd be way better off without him.

Deadly accurate free taker, scored a good goal. Ah yeah of course they shud ditch him just cos he is 33 so must be past it!

Reckon Kilkenny will still win AI, and Henry will be vital in them doing that
Time!!!
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:49
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After 20mins yesterday I was saying Cody should have substituted him. How he made me eat my words. Long may we see him grace the field of hurling.
ProjX
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:15
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He should be moved to the full forward line, he can still be very very effective there. He could do a 'Big Declan'.
busdriver
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 23:09
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absolute balderdash
most hurlers of every and any ability have a sell by date and any time past this sees a serious decline in their abilities and managers have a word in the ear during the winter then announcements are made and thats that
THE KING is most definitely NOT most hurlers
Snoop99
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Posted: 09-Jul-2012 23:45
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Shefflin is only a free taker these days, sad to see him have to resort to badgering the referee trying to get lads booked yesterday. Shefflin is well past his best, his last year I'd say.
loughcurraman
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 00:11
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
Shefflin is only a free taker these days, sad to see him have to resort to badgering the referee trying to get lads booked yesterday. Shefflin is well past his best, his last year I'd say.

You wouldnt need a crystal ball to predict that it could be his last year. He's hardly going to go on forever like Tony Browne. But if he calls it a day at the end of this campaign he will be going out at the top. He is not past his best, I'd say there is another year in him anyway if he wants it. And I'd say he will cos he'll definitely want to get that 9th All Ireland medal next year if he doesnt get it this year.

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hurlingfan
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 00:11
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Originally posted by flyinghigh:
I know i will get slated here but i really think Shefflan has reached the end of his inter county career.One of the greatest hurlers of all time looks so off the pace that its not nice to see him struggle and his frustration is becoming more evident.Cody went against public opinion when he discarded D.J Carey and is supposed to not do loyalty, what a big call awaits.Shefflans only contribution outside of the frees yesterday was to knock in the goal and I cant think of any other involvement he had in the match.Dont think it will happen but what a statement it would be and a wake up call to the entire panel.

Is this a wind up?

slow hands
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 04:01
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
Shefflin is only a free taker these days, sad to see him have to resort to badgering the referee trying to get lads booked yesterday. Shefflin is well past his best, his last year I'd say.

You really haven't a clue about hurling do you? Did you ever play the game out of interest?

Shefflin, like 90% of the KK team were rattled from the 1st second of the game and somedays you just cannot recover from that. His vision for the goal was top class as was his touch to guide it into the net. His free taking was pretty much faultless and he won a few frees himself. Henry would be the first to put his hand up and admit that he had a bad day. Scoring 1-8 in that game will have meant SFA to him.

Best to keep your mouth shut in future if thats the kind of drivel you are going to come out with about the greatest hurler of all time.


sam
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 08:04
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I just knew some muppet would be on here saying this, trying to be clever. 1] Shefflin is not long back from a long injury lay off. 2] He was one of the few Kilkenny players to make an impression on the game.
Cat Malojan
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:27
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Jaysus..he was our top scorer from play last Sunday..if he wasn't there, it would have been an even bigger hiding!
JoNinety
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:47
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He's past his best, but his best was so many tiers above everyone else that even at 10-20% off his best he's still well ahead of the curve.
Snoop99
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:48
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Originally posted by slow hands:

You really haven't a clue about hurling do you? Did you ever play the game out of interest?Shefflin, like 90% of the KK team were rattled from the 1st second of the game and somedays you just cannot recover from that. His vision for the goal was top class as was his touch to guide it into the net. His free taking was pretty much faultless and he won a few frees himself. Henry would be the first to put his hand up and admit that he had a bad day. Scoring 1-8 in that game will have meant SFA to him.Best to keep your mouth shut in future if thats the kind of drivel you are going to come out with about the greatest hurler of all time.

It is very obvious that Shefflin is on the slide for a few years now. It has been a new feature of Henry's play as he has gotten older that he is constantly in the refs ear trying to influence decisions in his favour, a sure sigh of a player that is gone off. He was blown out of it last sunday and was lucky to see the second half. His pace is gone, he gets his place for his freetaking duties only and trying to win a few soft frees.

Being highest scorer in a KK forward line could only manage 4 points form play, is hardly anything to write home about. His buckshee goal was the product of a big mixup on Galways behalf, is batting a ball into an empty net somehow wonderous now because Shefflin managed to do it? Are you Duignan by any chance?


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The Townie
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 11:44
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"Long may he grace the field of hurling"...Totally agree..And I a Galwayman...Best Hurler I have ever seen..No Contest..Much prefer watching him as a neutral..Last Sunday..every time he went near the ball I had a very uncomfortable feeling....Only Cat to play anywhere near the standards set...Going home in the Car listening to Joe Canning thanking and dedicating the victory to the genuine Galway supporters for travelling ...well it made feellike going up to heaven and then getting to come back alive
Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 12:01
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I for one am appalled at the spelling of my namesake's surname in the thread title...
Cat Malojan
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 12:38
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
It is very obvious that Shefflin is on the slide for a few years now. It has been a new feature of Henry's play as he has gotten older that he is constantly in the refs ear trying to influence decisions in his favour, a sure sigh of a player that is gone off. He was blown out of it last sunday and was lucky to see the second half. His pace is gone, he gets his place for his freetaking duties only and trying to win a few soft frees.Being highest scorer in a KK forward line could only manage 4 points form play, is hardly anything to write home about. His buckshee goal was the product of a big mixup on Galways behalf, is batting a ball into an empty net somehow wonderous now because Shefflin managed to do it? Are you Duignan by any chance?

Taking off my black and amber tinted glasess, you do probalbly have some valid points, but overall that is an unbelievably harsh assemssment of Henry's form..A couple of points -
1. He was never blessed with massive pace to begin with. In the last five years, his game has been about reading the game and drifting off his marker. Plus, the reason he wins 'handy' frees is because he is so strong in possession, that defenders have no choice but to foul him.
2. He is coming back from injury, and has only played a few matches in 2012. He worked extremely hard against Dublin, and last Sunday. You say his goal was easy, and you're entitled to your opininon, however, he had to make the run, follow the flight of the ball and get the touch ahead of the Galway defenders, mix up or no mix up. DJ Carey got a similar goal against Clare in the 02 final, and was lauded for it.
3. You mightn't think he is one of the top forwards in the country anymore..again, your opinion and fair enough. What's for definite is taht he's definitely in the 6 best forwards in Kilkenny. His leadership is unquestioned, and he settles the other forwards around him; we would not have won te all Ireland last year without him.
4. If Shefflin needs to retire, I'm not sure what that says about Richie Power, Larkin or TJ Reid, who were terrible on Sunday.

slow hands
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 13:27
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
It is very obvious that Shefflin is on the slide for a few years now. It has been a new feature of Henry's play as he has gotten older that he is constantly in the refs ear trying to influence decisions in his favour, a sure sigh of a player that is gone off. He was blown out of it last sunday and was lucky to see the second half. His pace is gone, he gets his place for his freetaking duties only and trying to win a few soft frees.Being highest scorer in a KK forward line could only manage 4 points form play, is hardly anything to write home about. His buckshee goal was the product of a big mixup on Galways behalf, is batting a ball into an empty net somehow wonderous now because Shefflin managed to do it? Are you Duignan by any chance?

Give me examples of Henry being 'on the slide for a few years'.

Snoop99
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 15:59
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Originally posted by slow hands:
Give me examples of Henry being 'on the slide for a few years'.

What sort of an ill mannered eijit are you, for those of us reared properly it is normal to use the word PLEASE when we ask a question that we would like answered.

Henry form has been going downhill for the last two years, but of course when he has a quite day all the the handy excuses such as he was injured and "recovering" form is used.

He score nothing from play against Dublin this year in what was a scoring free for all, he had some shocking wides that day. The handy excuse that he only returned back from injury was once again rolled out, but in truth he was already back for months. The slide is never a problem until you start to lose games, this charade is begining to unravel me thinks.
Cat Malojan
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 16:12
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
What sort of an ill mannered eijit are you, for those of us reared properly it is normal to use the word PLEASE when we ask a question that we would like answered. Henry form has been going downhill for the last two years, but of course when he has a quite day all the the handy excuses such as he was injured and "recovering" form is used. He score nothing from play against Dublin this year in what was a scoring free for all, he had some shocking wides that day. The handy excuse that he only returned back from injury was once again rolled out, but in truth he was already back for months. The slide is never a problem until you start to lose games, this charade is begining to unravel me thinks.

Give it up Snoop..Henry was brilliant in last years Leinster final, and all Ireland. He had John O'Keefe tied up in knots and set the platform for the victory..He won an all-star last year too, deservedly in my opinion.
Can you explain, PLEASE, what the 'charade' is and how it is unravelling?

Time!!!
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 16:18
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
What sort of an ill mannered eijit are you, for those of us reared properly it is normal to use the word PLEASE when we ask a question that we would like answered. Henry form has been going downhill for the last two years, but of course when he has a quite day all the the handy excuses such as he was injured and "recovering" form is used. He score nothing from play against Dublin this year in what was a scoring free for all, he had some shocking wides that day. The handy excuse that he only returned back from injury was once again rolled out, but in truth he was already back for months. The slide is never a problem until you start to lose games, this charade is begining to unravel me thinks.

Slow Hands was trying to keep his sentence short and basic enough for you to understand the question.

Shockcat
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 16:21
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Originally posted by Cat Malojan:
Give it up Snoop..Henry was brilliant in last years Leinster final, and all Ireland. He had John O'Keefe tied up in knots and set the platform for the victory..He won an all-star last year too, deservedly in my opinion.
Can you explain, PLEASE, what the 'charade' is and how it is unravelling?

Henry's biggest problem on Sunday was having to win primary ball. Last year many of his greatest moments were coming onto well placed ball by colleagues. for instance, neither of the two Richies or Larkin won clean ball on Sunday and at the end of the first half Henry was straight in front of me being nmarked by three opponents. When KK's playmakers were stopped on Sunday of course Henry wasn't as effective. It's very funny but at the end of DJ's career his job was clsing down opponents and making scores for colleagues. Henry has actually been more of a finisher'free winner in latter years. If KK forwards can return to form V Clare/LK we'll see Henry just as effective as he was last September.

Legalalien
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 16:25
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Originally posted by Snoop99:
What sort of an ill mannered eijit are you, for those of us reared properly it is normal to use the word PLEASE when we ask a question that we would like answered. Henry form has been going downhill for the last two years, but of course when he has a quite day all the the handy excuses such as he was injured and "recovering" form is used. He score nothing from play against Dublin this year in what was a scoring free for all, he had some shocking wides that day. The handy excuse that he only returned back from injury was once again rolled out, but in truth he was already back for months. The slide is never a problem until you start to lose games, this charade is begining to unravel me thinks.

The last two years?

Did you watch the all ireland final at all? Every ball Tommy got, he passed to Henry who directed the forwards.

Remember the throw-in which he got the point from in teh 2nd half, absolutely sub-lime?

Remember his one-two with the side-line ball before teh Mick Fennelly goal?

I could go on.

Ok he wasn't up to his peerless best in the last two matches but he's still far better than practically all county hurlers currently playing.

And as for Henry being back months - absolute rubbish. Dublin was his firsty county game since the all ireland. He had a few club games before that but they don't compare to the intensity of championship hurling, something I doubt you'd be aware of.

Cat Malojan
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 16:34
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Originally posted by Legalalien:
The last two years?Did you watch the all ireland final at all? Every ball Tommy got, he passed to Henry who directed the forwards.Remember the throw-in which he got the point from in teh 2nd half, absolutely sub-lime?Remember his one-two with the side-line ball before teh Mick Fennelly goal?I could go on.Ok he wasn't up to his peerless best in the last two matches but he's still far better than practically all county hurlers currently playing.And as for Henry being back months - absolute rubbish. Dublin was his firsty county game since the all ireland. He had a few club games before that but they don't compare to the intensity of championship hurling, something I doubt you'd be aware of.

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flyinghigh
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Posted: 10-Jul-2012 17:50
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Lads,ye dont have to preach to me about how good Henry was.What im saying is that if Cody sticks to his ruthless way then I cant see Shefflins contribution in his last two games being enough to keep him on the first 15.And I know he coming back from injury .In my opinion Charlie Carter was playing much better when was deemed surplus to requirements a few years back.Sorry for error in spelling his name wrong initially by the way.

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