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Eric (285 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:29	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Eric (285 Posts)	I have watched hurling for a long time now and have seen some wonderful teams and individuals stay at the top for many years from club hurling to inter county hurling. I have seen Toomevara dominate in my own county for a period and Birr/Portumna enjoy great success at club level. I have seen great Kilkenny and Cork teams over the past 10 years also but never have I witnessed the sick stomach turning bullste that has gone on the the media over the last few years and especially this year in relation to this Kilkenny hurling team. I will be the first to admit that this Kilkenny team is fantastic and have enjoyed great success but if you were to believe the media over the last 2 weeks or so the rest of the counties didnt play and part in the championship over the last 5 years and we may as well have handed the Liam McCarthy cup over to them in Portlaoise 2 weeks ago. There are a number of media outlets who have a serious obsession with this KK team and they would want to have a serious word with themselves fairly quickly. On last weeks Championship Matters the topic for discussion was "would kk go on to dominate hurling for years to come". They discussed it with stupid poker game cameos and puns from another idiot Colm keys. What does he know about hurling? Back to the studio saw Marty Morrissey lead the discussion and he finished with a question to Damien Lawlor. "So your telling us there is a chance for everyone else?" What absolute disgraceful bullste. What was all this based on? Kilkenny beating a rubbish Dublin side? Winning the league that nobody else bar Cork gave a f##k about? Then in Saturday's independent we had Martin Brehany listing the 74 hurlers that have hurled under Brian Cody. A lot of the players listed some people never heard of yet Brehany was hearlding as some kind of heros. What a waste of paper. What is all these peoples obsession with this team? They have beaten Tipp in 2 out of the last 3 All Irelands. The 2009 All Ireland was handed to them by Diarmuid Kirwan, they were hammered in the 2010 All Ireland and fair enough bet a below par Tipp side in last years All Ireland. The media seem to forget all these things in relating to this team. I would say even Brian Cody himself cringes at the rubbish talked and wrote. Hopefully Marty Morrissey, Michael Duignan, Martin Brehany and their colleagues will be able to mentally get over yesterdays result at some stage. Hopefully yesterdays result will give all these idiots a dose of reality and show some respect to all the remaining counties left in the championship.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Brehany did over do the self creaming on Saturdays Independent alright. But what would you expect there considering a certain book he wrote for someone. Back to Topic, KK are an excellent side but they have peaked at a time when others were falling behind imo. Tipp caught up eventually and beat them in 2010, but no one else came close till yesterday. This is often forgotten in the media imo. A great side lording over a pretty poor era competition wise in reality.
ttown buoy (1,178 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ttown buoy (1,178 Posts)	If you were to pay attention to the media last night, interviews in Galway team base and 6:1 news this evening there was an 8 minute slot with interviews of plenty of ex-Galway hurlers of the 80's and 90's and the sexual sounds of Marty Morrisey's exhilaration with Galway during the match I would argue that there is not an obsession with them. Marty also did a piece to camera with the Bob O'Keefe Cup from Eyre Square this evening which is unheard of from my memory. They have won the All Ireland in 2000,02,03,06,07,08,09,11. They drive the sport. What are the media supposed to do ignore them?
Legalalien (1,681 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Legalalien (1,681 Posts)	I'd say the Dublin footballers get more column inches when you read the sunday world, evening herald etc. And which wuld you prefer, teh papers writing about rugby, soccer or gaa?
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:51	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Champions usually grab the headlines and attention. Kilkenny just usually happen to be champions, so there we have that correlation. And to those who claim Kilkenny lorded over a period where other counties were poor, go back to your bottles. Kilkenny didn't exactly lord it, there was plenty of games where the result was not doubt until the last few minutes. The fact is Kilkenny were as adept at grinding out results as they were handing out trashings. And if the opposition were poor, then it says a lot more about them than Kilkenny. How is it that Kilkenny were able to maintain a high standard for nigh on 12 seasons and no-one else? Because they are a truly great side, the most successful side in history and probably the best (who's better?). And Kirwan didn't hand Kilkenny the title in 09, he gave a penalty (which should have been a 21 if anything). Penalty's are worth three points for those not in the know, and Kilkenny won by 5, so I don't see how he handed it to Kilkenny.
Eric (285 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 19:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Eric (285 Posts)	I welcome GAA coverage of course, its the Kilkenny invincibility obsession that annoys me.
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by Eric: I have watched hurling for a long time now and have seen some wonderful teams and individuals stay at the top for many years from club hurling to inter county hurling.I have seen Toomevara dominate in my own county for a period and Birr/Portumna enjoy great success at club level.I have seen great Kilkenny and Cork teams over the past 10 years also but never have I witnessed the sick stomach turning bullste that has gone on the the media over the last few years and especially this year in relation to this Kilkenny hurling team.I will be the first to admit that this Kilkenny team is fantastic and have enjoyed great success but if you were to believe the media over the last 2 weeks or so the rest of the counties didnt play and part in the championship over the last 5 years and we may as well have handed the Liam McCarthy cup over to them in Portlaoise 2 weeks ago. There are a number of media outlets who have a serious obsession with this KK team and they would want to have a serious word with themselves fairly quickly.On last weeks Championship Matters the topic for discussion was "would kk go on to dominate hurling for years to come". They discussed it with stupid poker game cameos and puns from another idiot Colm keys. What does he know about hurling? Back to the studio saw Marty Morrissey lead the discussion and he finished with a question to Damien Lawlor. "So your telling us there is a chance for everyone else?" What absolute disgraceful bullste. What was all this based on? Kilkenny beating a rubbish Dublin side? Winning the league that nobody else bar Cork gave a f##k about? Then in Saturday's independent we had Martin Brehany listing the 74 hurlers that have hurled under Brian Cody. A lot of the players listed some people never heard of yet Brehany was hearlding as some kind of heros. What a waste of paper.What is all these peoples obsession with this team? They have beaten Tipp in 2 out of the last 3 All Irelands. The 2009 All Ireland was handed to them by Diarmuid Kirwan, they were hammered in the 2010 All Ireland and fair enough bet a below par Tipp side in last years All Ireland.The media seem to forget all these things in relating to this team. I would say even Brian Cody himself cringes at the rubbish talked and wrote.Hopefully Marty Morrissey, Michael Duignan, Martin Brehany and their colleagues will be able to mentally get over yesterdays result at some stage.Hopefully yesterdays result will give all these idiots a dose of reality and show some respect to all the remaining counties left in the championship. Agree totally Eric, pure gombeenism at its highest level led by Marty..christ ive the bucket ready when i hear stuff like.."oh christ you better hide under the bed now that Kilkenny have been beaten "..blah blah blah stuff. I watched the show last week and it was a kilkenny man was telling the other fools to cop themselves on that Kilkenny arent is unbeatable. Marty is away from the fairies sometimes.
1944 (1,054 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
1944 (1,054 Posts)	Isn't it great that for once Gaa was top story everywhere after Galways win. Even RTE had to admit defeat that no rugby was happening so they had to make do with prob biggest shock in GAA in recent times. Poor crowd of 22k was poor obv, but expect Galways win to get interest back into hurling championship. And Clare v Limerick shud add to it too
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:08	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrebel30 (8,531 Posts)	Originally posted by ttown buoy: If you were to pay attention to the media last night, interviews in Galway team base and 6:1 news this evening there was an 8 minute slot with interviews of plenty of ex-Galway hurlers of the 80's and 90's and the sexual sounds of Marty Morrisey's exhilaration with Galway during the match I would argue that there is not an obsession with them. Marty also did a piece to camera with the Bob O'Keefe Cup from Eyre Square this evening which is unheard of from my memory.They have won the All Ireland in 2000,02,03,06,07,08,09,11. They drive the sport. What are the media supposed to do ignore them? Jasus cork won a provincial title yesterday and there was no cameras with marty down pana !......
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:11	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Originally posted by Eric: I welcome GAA coverage of course, its the Kilkenny invincibility obsession that annoys me. Well that invincibility myth has been shattered! And most genuine hurling fans would have known they're not invincible. Most hurling coverage in the media is superficial anyway, I've lost count of the times that players have had different first names/surnames, different clubs or medals won. Superficial coverage tends to be over the top. And to be fair if any other county had got the results and had the success Kilkenny have had then the same things would probably be said about them in the media.
laochra gael (422 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 20:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
laochra gael (422 Posts)	Originally posted by Eric: ...............They have beaten Tipp in 2 out of the last 3 All Irelands. The 2009 All Ireland was handed to them by Diarmuid Kirwan, they were hammered in the 2010 All Ireland and fair enough bet a below par Tipp side in last years All Ireland. A case of a Tipp man with chip on shoulder.........get over it
ajpb (241 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 21:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ajpb (241 Posts)	Some of the stuff written about KK is nauseating but I think alot of it stems from the absolute poverty of hurling related discussion in the media. Their record under Cody is absolutely incredible and I would rate them as the best hurling team I've ever seen without doubt,as much as it pains me as a Tipp man, but to be fair to Cody he does not go with the hype and keeps it grounded. Their biggest cheerleaders are some of the panelists on RTE and journalists who are riding the bandwagon, Martin Brehony is probably the biggest culprit. The year they annihilated Waterford in the all Ireland Final and RTE gave Cody man of the match took the biscuit.That was painful and a disgrace to the wonderful displays of Eoin Larkin, Eddie Brennan,etc. Thats not KK's fault. When I hear some of the analysts on hurling I can only laugh,Humphrey Kelleher an unmitigated disaster as Dublin manager for one. When was the last time Tomas Mulcahy made a relevant point on a pre/post match discussion?? Christy O'Connor is about the only top quality hurling journalist I can think of, who clearly writes articulately but backed with facts to back it up not cliches,"waiting in the long grass" rubbish.
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Agreed on Christy O'Connor, he was on Newstalk sports show on Saturday and spoke very well. Writes great columns but they only use him once a week, yet Keyes & Brehany can push out the same lines day after day. Madness. This message has been edited - 09-jul-2012 @ 22:00
dodgy-keeper (3,496 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dodgy-keeper (3,496 Posts)	Tomas Mulcahy is an awful pundit. Cyril Farrell and Loughnane are interesting, usually making sensible contributions. Mulcahy, on the other hand, just peddles the same old rubbish. "It all depends on the day, Michael", "Kilkenny are still Kilkenny" etc.
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 22:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Originally posted by carryharry: Brehany did over do the self creaming on Saturdays Independent alright. But what would you expect there considering a certain book he wrote for someone.Back to Topic, KK are an excellent side but they have peaked at a time when others were falling behind imo. Tipp caught up eventually and beat them in 2010, but no one else came close till yesterday.This is often forgotten in the media imo. A great side lording over a pretty poor era competition wise in reality. Bullsh!te..name any team from any era, and they would not keep the ball pucked out to this team at their peak..you can keep your sniffily faint praise to yourself..Lucky we didn't meed that 2010 Tipp team at the start of our run as opposed to the end of it..This 'they are a great team but...' crap is the typical begrudgery you see on this site, but not normally from you Harry..i thought it was bad when we won, Christ it's worse when we lose.
Snoop99 (234 Posts)	Posted: 09-Jul-2012 23:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Snoop99 (234 Posts)	Originally posted by carryharry: KK are an excellent side but they have peaked at a time when others were falling behind imo. Tipp caught up eventually and beat them in 2010, but no one else came close till yesterday.This is often forgotten in the media imo. A great side lording over a pretty poor era competition wise in reality. True in the main, Cork were on a downward spiral when KK hit their peak, KK were blessed to beat a young Tipp team in 2009 with plenty of help from the Referee. Teams tend to get what they deserve and this KK team never really deserved to win a 5 in a row especially after two very soft AIF against Limerick and Waterford and the refereeing controversy of 2009.
Collig (1,690 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 00:00	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Collig (1,690 Posts)	Originally posted by Cat Malojan: Bullsh!te..name any team from any era, and they would not keep the ball pucked out to this team at their peak... Is this some sort of joke?
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 00:04	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Originally posted by Cat Malojan: Bullsh!te..name any team from any era, and they would not keep the ball pucked out to this team at their peak..you can keep your sniffily faint praise to yourself..Lucky we didn't meed that 2010 Tipp team at the start of our run as opposed to the end of it..This 'they are a great team but...' crap is the typical begrudgery you see on this site, but not normally from you Harry..i thought it was bad when we won, Christ it's worse when we lose. Cat relax man. Tipperary had a fine team in the 60's, KK's team of the 70's is very highly rated. History is kind to those teams as it will be with the current KK team and rightly so. It is a matter of debate as to which decade had the greater levels of opposition difficulty. This thread and my opinion is aimed at the press and their attitude to KK, not at all a slight of KK as a team!
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:07	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Originally posted by Collig: Is this some sort of joke? Why would it be a joke..it's my opinion..Probably a bit of hyperbole on my part, but this KK team at their peak would be hard bet
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:09	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Originally posted by carryharry: Cat relax man. Tipperary had a fine team in the 60's, KK's team of the 70's is very highly rated. History is kind to those teams as it will be with the current KK team and rightly so. It is a matter of debate as to which decade had the greater levels of opposition difficulty.This thread and my opinion is aimed at the press and their attitude to KK, not at all a slight of KK as a team! Apologies Harry..got a bit carried away with myself there..was a tough weekend!
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:12	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Originally posted by Cat Malojan: Apologies Harry..got a bit carried away with myself there..was a tough weekend! No hassle lad, just because im from Tipperary doesn't mean i don't appreciate this KK team believe me. I will never judge or degrade hurlers due to the colour of the jersey they wear. A spade a spade and all that.
Star Gazer (161 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 10:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Star Gazer (161 Posts)	You are right harry. There were great teams and great hurlers in every decade. A look at the record books will show that Limerick had a great team in the 1930's (Mick Mackey, Jackie Power) and that Wexford were great in the 1950's (Rackards, Tim Flood, Nick O'Donnell). Cork have had many great teams. 4 in a row in the 1940's, 3 in a row in the 1950's and the 1970's. Tipp were great in the 1960's and won 3 in a row from 1949 to 1951. Kilkenny are having their golden era now, but Christy Ring and John Doyle's 8 All Irelands have only been equalled but not yet beaten (Henry Shefflin & Eddie Brennan). Which of these teams was the greatest?. Loads of room for good debate, but nobody really knows the answer.
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 11:09	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Rebel CNC (4,232 Posts)	Think they deserve all of the praise. Kerry footballers four in a row team received same accoladaes in the early 1980s as I'm sure did the Cork team of Lynch and Ring or the Tipp team of early 1960s. Likes of Duignan and Breheny can come across as a bit too starstruck alright it has to be said.
iced earth (140 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 11:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
iced earth (140 Posts)	Cork were AI Champions two years on the bounce when Kilkenny met them in 2006 and would've been well primed to match their 1976-78 feat. Remember they entered that year's final as favourites and rightly so. Limerick and Waterford would've had to somehow scrape past the best teams in Munster (and the rest of Ireland) in order to reach the finals in '07 and '08. It's very disingenuous to try and play down the efforts of sides who reached finals wholly on merit. I for one would never dismiss the fact that Antrim appeared in Croker in September of '89. Is that All-Ireland going to be chalked from the Premier roll of honour because you appear to be stating that "soft" titles don't count? And let's not forget-Tipperary were also awarded 19 frees in 2009 by Diarmaid Kirwan and had a number of great goal chances which sadly for them failed to find the target. Like you said you get what you deserve in sport. When you consider how hard it is for a host of counties to win one or two titles in a row most Kilkenny folk are delighted to settle for four and if they missed out on the five so be it. I admire the manner in which they proved last year that maybe just maybe there's a bit of fight left in the old cat yet. Would like to think they'll still have some kind of a say in what transpires between now and September. Originally posted by Snoop99: True in the main, Cork were on a downward spiral when KK hit their peak, KK were blessed to beat a young Tipp team in 2009 with plenty of help from the Referee. Teams tend to get what they deserve and this KK team never really deserved to win a 5 in a row especially after two very soft AIF against Limerick and Waterford and the refereeing controversy of 2009. This message has been edited - 10-jul-2012 @ 11:23
notrealdan (637 Posts)	Posted: 10-Jul-2012 11:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
notrealdan (637 Posts)	Originally posted by Eric: I have watched hurling for a long time now and have seen some wonderful teams and individuals stay at the top for many years from club hurling to inter county hurling.I have seen Toomevara dominate in my own county for a period and Birr/Portumna enjoy great success at club level.I have seen great Kilkenny and Cork teams over the past 10 years also but never have I witnessed the sick stomach turning bullste that has gone on the the media over the last few years and especially this year in relation to this Kilkenny hurling team.I will be the first to admit that this Kilkenny team is fantastic and have enjoyed great success but if you were to believe the media over the last 2 weeks or so the rest of the counties didnt play and part in the championship over the last 5 years and we may as well have handed the Liam McCarthy cup over to them in Portlaoise 2 weeks ago. There are a number of media outlets who have a serious obsession with this KK team and they would want to have a serious word with themselves fairly quickly.On last weeks Championship Matters the topic for discussion was "would kk go on to dominate hurling for years to come". They discussed it with stupid poker game cameos and puns from another idiot Colm keys. What does he know about hurling? Back to the studio saw Marty Morrissey lead the discussion and he finished with a question to Damien Lawlor. "So your telling us there is a chance for everyone else?" What absolute disgraceful bullste. What was all this based on? Kilkenny beating a rubbish Dublin side? Winning the league that nobody else bar Cork gave a f##k about? Then in Saturday's independent we had Martin Brehany listing the 74 hurlers that have hurled under Brian Cody. A lot of the players listed some people never heard of yet Brehany was hearlding as some kind of heros. What a waste of paper.What is all these peoples obsession with this team? They have beaten Tipp in 2 out of the last 3 All Irelands. The 2009 All Ireland was handed to them by Diarmuid Kirwan, they were hammered in the 2010 All Ireland and fair enough bet a below par Tipp side in last years All Ireland.The media seem to forget all these things in relating to this team. I would say even Brian Cody himself cringes at the rubbish talked and wrote.Hopefully Marty Morrissey, Michael Duignan, Martin Brehany and their colleagues will be able to mentally get over yesterdays result at some stage.Hopefully yesterdays result will give all these idiots a dose of reality and show some respect to all the remaining counties left in the championship. I don't usually read any post that rambles on beyond 10 lines but your post my friend is value for every letter. The problem of course is when people take the likes of Marty Morrissey and those two plebs on Newstalk seriously.

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