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Not Guilty Verdicts in Mauritius
Club Delegate
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12-Jul-2012 15:41
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How difficult can it be to find the culprits in a 5 star hotel complex with CCTV everywhere and swipe cards? What utter incompetence.
Blanco
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12-Jul-2012 15:44
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Heartbreaking again for the family to go through all that again for nothing.
But some of the aspects of the Prosecution's case were a bit ropey.
Seamus McSpud
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12-Jul-2012 15:45
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Can't say I'm surprised. Terrible for the family. Hopefully the ar*e falls out of the tourist industry in that sh*thole.
Tommie Gorman can finally come home.
manfromdelmonte
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12-Jul-2012 15:46
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you'd have to feel for the Hartes
dubliner 2
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12-Jul-2012 15:47
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Following the case from the media it's hard to judge but it seems to me that the police in Mauritius cocked this up from start to finish. Unlikely now that the woman and her family will ever get justice. What a bloody farce.
And I agree. The best thing that could ever happen to them is their tourist industry take the hit but that's very unlikely.
ashassin
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12-Jul-2012 15:54
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I think everyone knew this was coming.The police and legal system out there as evidenced by the trial evidence are completely bonkers.There was absolutely no physical evidencec to tie these men to the crime.Most of the DNA was washed away in the water and what was left was badly processed.God only knows what clues were destroyed or overlooked by their bungling police force.Truly kangaroo court style proceedings then at the trial.Laughing and giggling rampant even in the presence of the victims family.How can you expect due dilligence or a thorough fair trial in this climate.My heart goes out to john as this must be like a knife in the heart for him.No point in there being a retrial either as it will mean a truckload of heartbreak for the family and most likely a similar result.
dubliner 2
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12-Jul-2012 16:06
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Originally posted by ashassin:
No point in there being a retrial either as it will mean a truckload of heartbreak for the family and most likely a similar result.
There can't be a retrial. They were found not guilty. I presume you mean a trial of other possibly guilty parties bt I doubt they'd have the skill to convict them.
ashassin
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12-Jul-2012 16:20
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I mean a retrial if the other missing suspect is found wherever he has run of to.
clangera
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12-Jul-2012 16:21
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Terrible shame for the Harte family and poor John her husband.
However in the absence of any real evidence of substance then they cant be convicted. The Scottish system whereby they have a verdict of 'Not Proven' would have been useful here - it gives scope for a re-trial later if new evidence comes up.
What a wank of a police force they have out there.
loughcurraman
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12-Jul-2012 16:26
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Personally I think and always have (going on comments made at the time of their arrest by the head of the police investigation) that the men on trial were stitched up and were innocent. They were at the bottom of the food chain , nobody's that could easily be fingered. How the security man who was assigned to another part of the hotel complex and specifically requested to be reassigned to the area where he would have the best view of the couple's apartment didnt become the centre of the investigation is amazing. OK I think they brought some sort of charges of conspiracy against him which dont as yet seem to have been pursued , but to me the main suspects must lie close to him.
It is a terrible situation for the family. The conduct of the defence lawyer who was trying to implicate John Mc Areavey was a complete disgrace and if the men under trial had been found guilty it would have been easy not to have any sympathy for them given the way the defence conducted the case.
Finian
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12-Jul-2012 16:26
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Originally posted by dubliner 2:
Following the case from the media it's hard to judge but it seems to me that the police in Mauritius cocked this up from start to finish. Unlikely now that the woman and her family will ever get justice. What a bloody farce.And I agree. The best thing that could ever happen to them is their tourist industry take the hit but that's very unlikely.
I would be amazed if their Tourism industry hasn't taken a hit already. Mauritius was very popular for Honeymooners from Ireland and UK, I can't see many Irish people booking it in the past few years, this case received a fair deal of Press in the UK as well. This court case and the general clusterfcuk will do nothing to enhance their reputation as a safe environment.
Personally feel very sad for the Harte's and McAreavey's.
manfromdelmonte
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12-Jul-2012 16:28
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Originally posted by loughcurraman:
Personally I think and always have (going on comments made at the time of their arrest by the head of the police investigation) that the men on trial were stitched up and were innocent. They were at the bottom of the food chain , nobody's that could easily be fingered. How the security man who was assigned to another part of the hotel complex and specifically requested to be reassigned to the area where he would have the best view of the couple's apartment didnt become the centre of the investigation is amazing. OK I think they brought some sort of charges of conspiracy against him which dont as yet seem to have been pursued , but to me the main suspects must lie close to him. It is a terrible situation for the family. The conduct of the defence lawyer who was trying to implicate John Mc Areavey was a complete disgrace and if the men under trial had been found guilty it would have been easy not to have any sympathy for them given the way the defence conducted the case.
in fairness the defence laywers did their job - they proved the two lad's innocence
its the police and prosecution who must share the blame
Barry
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12-Jul-2012 16:41
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No surprise here.
But more heartbreak for families involved.
Always thought wife of one of accused was so adamant right from start that her husband was innocent and that was'nt lying.
Won't be too many honeymooners going to Mauritius in the future methinks.
Deise Vu
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12-Jul-2012 16:56
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My sympathy to the Harte and McAreavy families again. They will probably never know who committed this senseless crime. However, even if one or other of the defendants was guilty it wasn't safe to convict them based on the evidence presented.
The police didn't interview people in the adjoining rooms let alone every guest, they didn't lock down the hotel and separate the employees, the scene had clearly been disturbed by them and their trump card, the so-called confessions, went out the window the minute John McAreavy gave his own evidence of how he had been treated by the police in the initial stages of their investigation. It was a small leap from his description of the apalling way he was treated to believing that the police would beat confessions out of two locals.
Seamus McSpud
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12-Jul-2012 17:04
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Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
in fairness the defence laywers did their job - they proved the two lad's innocence
its the police and prosecution who must share the blame
Hardly. It was utter incompetence by the police and their willing accomplices in the hotel management who were only interested in covering their arses that were the root cause of this fiasco. Nothing to do with Rumpole of the Bailey advocates in the defence team.
let it long
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12-Jul-2012 17:47
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In fairness it was the right verdict. You couldn't convict those two men on the basis of the rubbish that was masquerading as evidence. That trial would not have even seen the light of day in a more advanced legal system. Would have been quashed by the DPP or his equivalent.
ProjX
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12-Jul-2012 18:26
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Originally posted by clangera:
What a wank of a police force they have out there.
Ireland certainly cannot take the high moral ground on this. Our police and criminal justice system is deeply troubled.
I shot JR
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12-Jul-2012 19:07
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Originally posted by Seamus McSpud:
Can't say I'm surprised. Terrible for the family. Hopefully the ar*e falls out of the tourist industry in that sh*thole.Tommie Gorman can finally come home.
If the Irish and / or British governments issued an official warning to prospective tourists regarding security and policing in Mauritius, then you'd see things happen there in a hurry, posibly some form of justice for the Harte family. Put that tourist money in jeopardy, that's where it will really hurt.
This reminds me a lot of Florida in 1993. There was a spate of car-jacking attacks on tourists in rental cars and the authorities' response was fairly casual. Then a German woman was car-jacked and murdered in front of her family and the German government issued an official warning against visiting the state, the first ever warning of that kind against Florida. The s**t really hit the fan in Florida - the possibility of all that European tourist money going away scared the hell out of lots of businesses there. Tourists were looked after much better and car-jackings went way down after that. It's not that hard to figure out how to get a response from these people.
dodgy-keeper
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12-Jul-2012 19:10
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We can't really take the high moral ground and slag off the legal systems in another country.
Awful, awful case.
However there was no DNA from the two found in the room and the lad who allegedly saw they coming out of the room was unreliable. The had to be found not guilty. To me it seems the authorities in Mauritius needed someone to take the fall (to be seen to be doing something and protect their tourist industry) and picked these two (admittedly I could be completely wrong). If there is in anyway a reasonable doubt you can't convict.
This whole case has been handled in a shambolic manner from start to finish, everyone can agree on that. Can't even begin to imagine how the Harte's and McAreavey's feel tonight.
Finian
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12-Jul-2012 19:14
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Originally posted by ProjX:
Ireland certainly cannot take the high moral ground on this. Our police and criminal justice system is deeply troubled.
Whilst we may have issues with Our own police and criminal justice system, I don't think we would have seen the utter disgraceful scenes and actions that was that court case in Mauritius over the past 2 months. I agree that the Irish government should issue a warnign to any Irish citizen visiting there.
Dublin_Ultra
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12-Jul-2012 20:47
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I agree that we cannot presume to have a higher standard in the delivery of justice in this country when serial offenders are accumulating convictions and suspended sentences. I am sure the American tourist brutally assualted in Merrion Square last night must question how one of his attackers was in a position to on the streets after been convicted of robbing a shop recently, unfortunately he received a 4 year suspended sentence which allowed him to continue his life of crime.
Our legal system and processes are completed outdated, dominated by a small, self-perpetuating elite and unable to deliver common sense sentencing.
Cusack Park
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12-Jul-2012 21:04
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Justice has been served, this two innocent men were obviously being stitched up by someone higher up the foodchain in that hotel, sure some lad took off and has never been found
The Jedi
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12-Jul-2012 22:10
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The whole thing stinks. I wonder has the trail gone cold now after 18 months of this trial.
The judge told the jury that they could only come back when they had completed at a MINIMUM 2 hours deliberation. They had a verdict at 2h10min which suggests it was an easy decision somehow.
Interestingly the defence lawyer straight after the trial mentioned justice being done in the same way as the Guildford Four and Birmingham Six. Thats just odd.
Yojimbo
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12-Jul-2012 22:15
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Special programme on the case on RTE One, starting shortly (10.15).
I haven't been following the case that closely, although it seems the police investigation was very slipshod, and the trial not much better
But it sounds as if the jury verdict might have been at least in part a race/society verdict,in the manner of the OJ Simpson murder trial
N16
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12-Jul-2012 22:17
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I'm maddened by this but what can we do. Feel so sorry for the family etc now. No closure, just open wounds.
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