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Topic: Antrim bt Galway - 11 points to 10 !!
Hitch
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 18:21
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Thought I was hearing things, winning point in injury time!
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frasiercrane
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 18:29
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Some win for them Galway must be the most flaky team in Ireland how many times have they lost by a single point in the last 7 or 8 years
Hold that Line
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 18:35
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Sad thing is I wasn't surprised in the slightest. Galway have made an artform of losing games in the qualifiers by a point. Even today they were leading heading into injury time and still conspired to lose.

The footballers have taken the mantle from the hurlers for wasting underage talent. Galway have won 3 U-21 All-Ireland's over the past decade and they still can't win a game outside Connacht. Even against modest opposition.

No point getting rid of Mulholland. He has to be given time but it's a long road back to respectability.
araby
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 19:48
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Galway teams for the last decade in both codes are more concerned with their performance in Central Park than Croke Park. There are droves of dolls prowling around a few haunts trying to bag a hurler or a footballer, picking their dresses out for the CityWest or Burlington. Lads kill themselves to get onto county panels, but instead of kicking on when they seem to stagnate. Lads in their early to mid 20's, wont have too many problems flushing the occasional night on the beer out of their system its the distraction that comes with it. Its the circus that goes with it that causes the mental distraction, this has to effect focus in training, after matches if lads are going for a few pints, bring them out the country so they can have a few pints as a group, without all the hangers on, lads being jealous or having the ------- taken out of them wont have their focus where it should be.
cerebus
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 19:58
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Originally posted by araby:
... There are droves of dolls prowling around a few haunts trying to bag a hurler or a footballer, picking their dresses out for the CityWest or Burlington. Lads kill themselves to get onto county panels, but instead of kicking on when they seem to stagnate. Lads in their early to mid 20's, wont have too many problems flushing the occasional night on the beer out of their system its the distraction that comes with it..

In fairness as the great Clemens Westerhof once said , allegedly.

"It's not the sex which tires out young players. It's the staying up all night looking for it."

Yojimbo
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 20:05
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Judging by the progress of scores it must have been a right wretched game to watch
Antrim aren't going anywhere, but where are Galway football, these days?
The Jedi
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 23:41
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:
Judging by the progress of scores it must have been a right wretched game to watch
Antrim aren't going anywhere, but where are Galway football, these days?

You can always trust Yojimbo to add an inane comment.

corcaighabu92
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 01:02
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Thats a great win for Antrim but Galway should be ashamed of themselves.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 01:16
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Originally posted by The Jedi:
You can always trust Yojimbo to add an inane comment.

May the farce be with you!

Glinnti Glasa
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 03:46
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:
Judging by the progress of scores it must have been a right wretched game to watch
Antrim aren't going anywhere, but where are Galway football, these days?

What a silly comment. Who do you think you are? Well done Antrim.

Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 04:44
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Not at all surprised by this. Galway were completely overhyped after their win over Roscommon by RTE and the media, and will now have gone 9 years without winning a qualifier game, and also a substantial amount of time since they have beaten anyone outside of Connacht. A sad day for a once strong footballing county. They need to get their act together big time.
labane1917
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 05:06
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Galway footballers simply cannot play against teams which set up defensively which is most teams these days. They have not adapted their game to deal with the modern "men behind the ball" game. The only games they can win currently are those where the opposition come out to play football as it used to be played, like the Roscommon game.
Still # 3 though only behind Kerry and Dublin in AI wins and have contested AI finals in every decade since the 1920s, so history would suggest they will not be in the wilderness for too long. They have the footballing talent but not the tactics and maybe temperament currently for the modern game.
FTJC
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 10:41
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Absolutely spot on

This may sound ridiculous but I want football to change and not Galways style of play.
Gaelic football has become a joke of a game and teams like Galway who "play the game" will continue to suffer unless they adopt the same bulls**t tactical defensive approach to what should be essentially a kick and catch game not a mutated version of basketball
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frasiercrane
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 11:26
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Originally posted by FTJC:
Absolutely spot onThis may sound ridiculous but I want football to change and not Galways style of play.
Gaelic football has become a joke of a game and teams like Galway who "play the game" will continue to suffer unless they adopt the same bulls**t tactical defensive approach to what should be essentially a kick and catch game not a mutated version of basketball

If a team in any sport set up naively and used a game plan which was outdated they would get beaten.I didnt think Sligo set up defensively yet they are able for Galway and it looked in that game that the team with the best players won the match.Maybe Galway need to get a bit more grit and determination into their game.They have been losing matches continuously by 1 point which suggests it is Galways lack of grit which is costing them on top of not having enough high quality footballers.Padraic Joyce is 36 and still looks like Galways most effective forward which doesn't say much for the rest of the team.

manfromdelmonte
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 11:28
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at least the players can enjoy the film fleadh, arts festival and galway races now...
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 11:40
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Originally posted by labane1917:
Galway footballers simply cannot play against teams which set up defensively which is most teams these days. They have not adapted their game to deal with the modern "men behind the ball" game. The only games they can win currently are those where the opposition come out to play football as it used to be played, like the Roscommon game.
Still # 3 though only behind Kerry and Dublin in AI wins and have contested AI finals in every decade since the 1920s, so history would suggest they will not be in the wilderness for too long. They have the footballing talent but not the tactics and maybe temperament currently for the modern game.

Wouldnt agree at all. Roscommon are no barometre of anything to be honest. You only have to see how they got on yesterday against Tyrone. Infact looking back the Galway v Roscommon game was totally overhyped by the media after just because Galway got lots of room to do as they please, thats because Roscommon are so poor. Galway wouldnt win were they take on a team that plays football, Cork, Kerry Dublin etc would destroy galway and they wounldnt be needing any defensive systems to win. You wouldnt even have to look at them, Tipp Clare for example would probably fancy their chances of taking Galway at the moment in an open game.

Galway have some good players but they are seriously overhyped in my view. Id have them down around the middle ranks at the moment. The reason they are not winning games has more to do with they lack any real cohension and belief and dont have enough good players fromm 1-15 to win games rather than coming up against blanket defences.

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labane1917
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 19:23
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Wouldnt agree at all. Roscommon are no barometre of anything to be honest. You only have to see how they got on yesterday against Tyrone. Infact looking back the Galway v Roscommon game was totally overhyped by the media after just because Galway got lots of room to do as they please, thats because Roscommon are so poor. Galway wouldnt win were they take on a team that plays football, Cork, Kerry Dublin etc would destroy galway and they wounldnt be needing any defensive systems to win. You wouldnt even have to look at them, Tipp Clare for example would probably fancy their chances of taking Galway at the moment in an open game. Galway have some good players but they are seriously overhyped in my view. Id have them down around the middle ranks at the moment. The reason they are not winning games has more to do with they lack any real cohension and belief and dont have enough good players fromm 1-15 to win games rather than coming up against blanket defences.

I'm not saying Galway are good enough to challenge for an AI at present, far from it. Like all top footballing counties with the exception of Kerry they ebb and flow. Galway are in rebuilding mode with a lot of new faces from the U21 winning team of 2011 and a new manager, similar to Cork hurlers in many ways. Also similar to Cork hurlers they are unlikely to win an AI anytime soon unless they change their style and prepration to be able to compete with the physicality and intensity of the modern game. My main point is they will not win Championship games against even teams that are a division below them in the league tables simply because they refuse to play blanket defense basketball and do not have a good game plan to counteract such tactics. Let's face it, the majority of teams not in serious contention for AI honors play the same brand of shyte that makes most gaelic football unwatchable.
To say Galway do not have the footballers to compete is as silly as saying Cork do not have hurlers to compete. Galway have always had good footballers and like all good footballing counties can come good at any time even when least expected as they showed in 1998. It is about getting the blend and preparation right. Mulholland should be given at least 3 years to develop this batch of footballers as they have shown they can win at U21 level which is always very competitive in Gaelic Football.

Yojimbo
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 19:35
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Originally posted by Glinnti Glasa:

What a silly comment. Who do you think you are? Well done Antrim.

What exactly was silly about it?

johnny cash
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 00:26
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a few galway managers received a good bit of stick - sammon, kernan and o'flaharta. Alan Mulholland was generally accepted as the ideal man for the job. He most likely is and needs\deserves 3 years to make a good fist of it. I think this years results show that some of the previous managers were harshly treated though
Glinnti Glasa
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 10:38
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:

What exactly was silly about it?

Antrim are going to Semple. Not exactly nowhere. Thats what's silly about it.
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 12:04
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I would fear for Tipp this Saturday.

Antrim are a serious unit, a team in the real sense. They have being knocked by the media and still perform well. They are physical yet a pretty skillful side. The trip to London really galvanised them imo, winning a game like that brings a team on.
They will have no fear of Tipperary in Thurles.

As Jackie Cahill tweeted yesterday, 'i just hope the Antrim support does not out number the home support'

I couldn't make it Saturday due to work but i will be there Saturday and hopefully a few hurling supporters will too. Paul Curran gave the footballers a good mention Sunday in PUC.
Blanco
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 12:23
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Originally posted by carryharry:
As Jackie Cahill tweeted yesterday, 'i just hope the Antrim support does not out number the home support'I couldn't make it Saturday due to work but i will be there Saturday and hopefully a few hurling supporters will too. Paul Curran gave the footballers a good mention Sunday in PUC.

I have a fear that Jackie's fears may come to pass if Antrim bring any kind if a decent crowd, for all the recent underage success and the good present form of the seniors , Football still has not really got hold of the average Tipp supporter but hopefully they will get a good crowd on Saturday, they deserve it after the last day and this one should be a close affair.

theface2010
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 13:40
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Originally posted by Blanco:
I have a fear that Jackie's fears may come to pass if Antrim bring any kind if a decent crowd, for all the recent underage success and the good present form of the seniors , Football still has not really got hold of the average Tipp supporter but hopefully they will get a good crowd on Saturday, they deserve it after the last day and this one should be a close affair.

Why don't the footballers play in Clonmel or is that a viable venue for a c'ship match? There would be far more interest in the footballers down south than there would be in around Thurles surely.

Blanco
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 13:45
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Originally posted by theface2010:
Why don't the footballers play in Clonmel or is that a viable venue for a c'ship match? There would be far more interest in the footballers down south than there would be in around Thurles surely.

I think the county board wanted them to play their games in Clonmel as they would have more of a support base there but the footballers themselves want to play in Thurles , they feel they play better in Semple Stadium and also quite correctly feel the have a right to play in the No 1 Stadium in the county just as much as the hurlers have.

rebelrebel30
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 20:10
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Originally posted by labane1917:
I'm not saying Galway are good enough to challenge for an AI at present, far from it. Like all top footballing counties with the exception of Kerry they ebb and flow. Galway are in rebuilding mode with a lot of new faces from the U21 winning team of 2011 and a new manager, similar to Cork hurlers in many ways. Also similar to Cork hurlers they are unlikely to win an AI anytime soon unless they change their style and prepration to be able to compete with the physicality and intensity of the modern game. My main point is they will not win Championship games against even teams that are a division below them in the league tables simply because they refuse to play blanket defense basketball and do not have a good game plan to counteract such tactics. Let's face it, the majority of teams not in serious contention for AI honors play the same brand of shyte that makes most gaelic football unwatchable.
To say Galway do not have the footballers to compete is as silly as saying Cork do not have hurlers to compete. Galway have always had good footballers and like all good footballing counties can come good at any time even when least expected as they showed in 1998. It is about getting the blend and preparation right. Mulholland should be given at least 3 years to develop this batch of footballers as they have shown they can win at U21 level which is always very competitive in Gaelic Football.

Ah here dont be comparing our hurlers to your footballers will you they have 30 all irelands are in the quarters this year and bar a few years regularly win all irelands, galway havent won a qualifer since 04, could you imagine our hurlers doing that?

Ye have 2 all irelands in nearly 50 years, no way compare your footballers to our hurlers. Galway havent won a match in croker in nearly 10 years i believe.

One of your own Ray Silke was on the radio yesterday and said the reality is Galway are middle ranked outside top 10 and around 14-15 in rankings which is probably right.

Cork dont play a blanket defense and won an all ireland and the last 3 D1 titles so it can be done. But as i said 1-15 ye dont have enough top footballers to win the all ireland.

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