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reasons why clare lost
coogee bay
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14-Jul-2012 20:46
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1- full back line skinned , in particular cian dillon
2- management too slow to make changes
3- short passing game - no end prduct
4- john conlon does not pass the ball.
congrats to limerick and best of luck in the quarter final.if clare can sort out the above problems they will be there next year too.
ProjX
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14-Jul-2012 21:09
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Originally posted by coogee bay:
1- full back line skinned , in particular cian dillon
2- management too slow to make changes
3- short passing game - no end prduct
4- john conlon does not pass the ball.congrats to limerick and best of luck in the quarter final.if clare can sort out the above problems they will be there next year too.
Most importantly, they were playing the Happy Winners tonight, a different team than met them in the league.
bluesky
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14-Jul-2012 21:11
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Biddy Early was seen going into thurles
lovelypoint
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14-Jul-2012 21:18
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Originally posted by coogee bay:
1- full back line skinned , in particular cian dillon
2- management too slow to make changes
3- short passing game - no end prduct
4- john conlon does not pass the ball.congrats to limerick and best of luck in the quarter final.if clare can sort out the above problems they will be there next year too.
I would add poor calls on the line too, to the above. Continuing to play with withdrawn forwards when goals were needed, and taking off one of your best goal threats in Honan, made no sense. Clare can hurl, but as I said on the Limk v Clare thread, shortsighted handpassing, a blind focus on stamina only, and withdrawn forwards are not going to do Clare hurling any favours.
loughcurraman
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14-Jul-2012 21:27
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5. Not good enough
6. Playing 2 weekends in a row didnt help
Scaoil Amach an Bobailín
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14-Jul-2012 22:08
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Originally posted by bluesky:
Biddy Early was seen going into thurles
Rumour has it she's the 'Live Upstairs DJ!!!' in Lars Bar.
And don't forget, it's FREE ADMISSION!!!!
johnny the fox
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14-Jul-2012 22:19
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The manager.....goals win matches Honan and mc grath starved!Possession is ok but a goalkeeper will never understand how one on ones happen or getting the few yards on a back..I accept the progression davy has made and we have serious talent so I hope we can tactically change next year for the inside talent available...colin ryan fought well when he came on so another bonus he is learning maybe
cerebus
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14-Jul-2012 22:23
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7. John Allen wasn't sacked.....yet?
faldo
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14-Jul-2012 22:25
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Limerick were better maybe?
Seamus McSpud
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14-Jul-2012 22:35
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Clare losing in the Championship has been pretty much the norm for 125 years + bar a brief aberration between 1995-99.
kavvie
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14-Jul-2012 23:01
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if they played man on man in 2nd half they might have scored a few goals..a 2 man full forward line with honan out in the corner was never gonna penetrate
busdriver
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15-Jul-2012 00:49
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both teams scored twenty one times but three of limericks were goals and we only scored one.
allied to this was the fact that we had a one week turn around and above all else is the fact that they were simply better than we were this evening.
the full back line problems haunted us tonight in that all three goals were of the soft variety but looking at the big picture one would have to come to the conclusion that we are going in the right direction though slower than we would like
brendan bugler was without doubt the best defender on view and also special mention for the youngster from ballyea,
kelly has now played two championship games and scored 2 04 which is a great return(although his man did score a goal for limerick)
look we were in bonus territory in that our target for the year was achieved earlier so i am well happy with davy year one and would look forward to davy year 2 with a bit of confidence
well done to all concerned back to the county championship and roll on next year.
good win for limerick and i wish them well in championship 2012
minors tomorrow and 21s on wednesday
the future is bright
pegasusIII
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15-Jul-2012 01:12
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Originally posted by lovelypoint:
I would add poor calls on the line too, to the above. Continuing to play with withdrawn forwards when goals were needed, and taking off one of your best goal threats in Honan, made no sense. Clare can hurl, but as I said on the Limk v Clare thread, shortsighted handpassing, a blind focus on stamina only, and withdrawn forwards are not going to do Clare hurling any favours.
would compleatly agree with you re withdrawn forwards but honan was obviously spent 5 mins into 2nd half and he lasted another 25 mins.
enda mcevoy said this morning that the more direct team would win. limerick, shorn of the o grady straitjacket ( the media's love in with him was year was bizrre ) were direct. limerick had more players closer to the clare goal with ten mins left while they were 6/7 points up, than vice versa. fair play to davy, we've had a good year and he's not been afraid to throw in the youngsters. but the worrying disinclination that he had with waterford not to site enough players close to goal continued!
corcaighabu92
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15-Jul-2012 01:13
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Cian Dillon. Big liabilty. Everyone was raving about him. Knew it was an accident waiting to happen.
parmenion
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15-Jul-2012 01:30
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Absolutely, came close to being sent off, luckely for limerick he wasn't cause he was tormented afterwards. Have no problem saying I thought Ritchie Mc would be the worst full back on show, glad to be proved wrong-again- he was outstanding. Fair play Ritchie
Frankel
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15-Jul-2012 03:35
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Why Limerick won and Clare lost.
1. Limerick have more ball winning physcial forwards, this is something Clare lack. Hence the short passing game.
2. When Clare were well on top in the first half a dubious free was given to Limerick and poor defending let Limerick into the game.
3. Soft frees Bugler I believe was caught for 2, One of which on Dowling who fell over was not a free. Bugler was excellent again a leader.
4. Too slow to make changes when the killer 3rd goal came Clare continued with a withdrawn forward line, for this to work Clare needed to start hitting long range scores. This would have forced Limerick out. Instead they overplayed the ball.
5. Playing Darach Honan who try his best is not fit yet and to compound this error he was not left at the edge of the square with McGrath just off him.
6. Too many changes the world and his mother knows pretty much the best Clare team, count the changes since the league final
7. Ruthlessness granted the Limerick goalkeeper was well off his line each time but 1 goal from the 3 21's, the cunningham miss. Take that against Limerick defender pulling the ball in on the ground to stop a clare goal.
8. Full back line Donovan is a 2, Dillon against a big man is not at the races. He was well out of position for the first goal and got a roasting from Moran. He had a poor day fine hurler but a poor day, lack of action from the sideline with the Limerick full forward like going to town on Clare was mind boggling.
I think Clare have improved but lets face it Clare have a conveyor belt of minors coming through if they can find a 3 and settle on 6 and get a goal getting forward like a Keane they are a serious threat. Div 1 hurling will bring them on.
Hopefully for hurling and Clare's sake these stylish hurlers won't be consumed by negative tactics or overtraining. What surprised me today at the game was most cork and Wexford were shouting for Limerick. This is pretty much the Davy factor.
New Clare team
Kelly
O'Donovan
Bugler
Glynn
Morey
Donnellan
Barrett
Markham
S Collins
Conlon
Keane
Cunningham
McGrath
Honan
O'Halloran/Ryan
hurling immortal
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15-Jul-2012 04:25
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Originally posted by Frankel:
Why Limerick won and Clare lost.
1. Limerick have more ball winning physcial forwards, this is something Clare lack. Hence the short passing game.2. When Clare were well on top in the first half a dubious free was given to Limerick and poor defending let Limerick into the game.3. Soft frees Bugler I believe was caught for 2, One of which on Dowling who fell over was not a free. Bugler was excellent again a leader.4. Too slow to make changes when the killer 3rd goal came Clare continued with a withdrawn forward line, for this to work Clare needed to start hitting long range scores. This would have forced Limerick out. Instead they overplayed the ball. 5. Playing Darach Honan who try his best is not fit yet and to compound this error he was not left at the edge of the square with McGrath just off him.6. Too many changes the world and his mother knows pretty much the best Clare team, count the changes since the league final7. Ruthlessness granted the Limerick goalkeeper was well off his line each time but 1 goal from the 3 21's, the cunningham miss. Take that against Limerick defender pulling the ball in on the ground to stop a clare goal.8. Full back line Donovan is a 2, Dillon against a big man is not at the races. He was well out of position for the first goal and got a roasting from Moran. He had a poor day fine hurler but a poor day, lack of action from the sideline with the Limerick full forward like going to town on Clare was mind boggling.I think Clare have improved but lets face it Clare have a conveyor belt of minors coming through if they can find a 3 and settle on 6 and get a goal getting forward like a Keane they are a serious threat. Div 1 hurling will bring them on.Hopefully for hurling and Clare's sake these stylish hurlers won't be consumed by negative tactics or overtraining. What surprised me today at the game was most cork and Wexford were shouting for Limerick. This is pretty much the Davy factor.New Clare team
Kelly
O'Donovan
Bugler
Glynn
Morey
Donnellan
Barrett
Markham
S Collins
Conlon
Keane
Cunningham
McGrath
Honan
O'Halloran/Ryan
so you would drop 3 of the best hurlers in clare in nicky o connell,colm galvin and tony kelly??? and at the same time keep sean collins (very poor tonight) and liam markham who disdnt get a puck in the twenty minutes he was on..
tmack
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15-Jul-2012 09:12
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clare are going in the right direction but at the end of the season some lessons need to be learned
bugler should get a run at no3. we also need 2 natural corner backs not fellows converted from out the field.
pat donnellan was good but long term we need to find a no 6 with physical size.
ball winners are needed in the half forward line. fortunately we have them but they are young and need to develop more.
goals win games a 2 man full forward line gives us less opportunity to score goals. honan is very good close to goal only.
tactics must be flexible plan a will not allways work but as yet we have no plan b
staycalm
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15-Jul-2012 09:22
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Why are lads getting worked up over Nicky Quaid being well off his line for the 21 yard frees? He is fully entitled to do that
rebelrebel30
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Originally posted by coogee bay:
1- full back line skinned , in particular cian dillon
2- management too slow to make changes
3- short passing game - no end prduct
4- john conlon does not pass the ball.congrats to limerick and best of luck in the quarter final.if clare can sort out the above problems they will be there next year too.
A number of observations at yesterdays match...
1)..Bulger best player on view of the 2 teams, simply immense.
2) Clare looked 1-15 to have the better hurlers but they persisted with the short game when if they went long they would have caused trouble for the limerick backs. Their forwards were on top but starved of ball. Cork mastered the short game but they had the players for it. I dont think this clare time even in time will be good enough to play this game, they should play to their strenghts, a fast direct game would suit them and if they persisted with it last night they would have won.
3)Limerick would be flattered by the win in my opinion, the much vaunted forward line played in bits but the team overall will need to massively up the levels of concenstration for the full 70mins. They cant be out of the game for large parts of 15-20mins like they were last night or else they wont being going far. It was largely due to clare taking so much out of the ball to go from A to B last night that stopped them pulling away in the first half.
4)Limerick wont fear either Kilkenny or ( who i think Waterford) in the quarters and have some momentum now.
5)However they need to up the levels for the full 70. Far too many players were out of the game particularly in the first half for long periods.
Finally a word on 2 young players last night..very impressed with Colm Galvin and Tony Kelly. Old heads on young shoulders comes to mind. Always the sign of potentially great players in the making.
John Collins
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Rebelred
Good assessmet. However if we can get Downes, Hannon, Hickey, Browne, and Allis back to a higher level of match fitness we might not be bad. I felt we left on an obviously exhausted Shane Dowling way too long last night and when ahead we need to make those calls earlier. Cost us gainst Tipp, cold have done so last night and may again. Funny game last night against a fine CL team. Ouf Full forward line with limited possession scored 1 7 from play and could have caused another two goals (Tobins miss and the saved penalty). Of course CL were unlucky with goal efforts as well. Overall not a bad display
Banner1995
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Ya rebel that's a pretty fair assessment. We do overplay the ball but i think we can overcome these failings the more the team develops. We badly lack size tho and even looking at the throw in the Limerick lads far bigger. These lads have a good bit of growing to do yet! My biggest issue is the amount of cheap goals we concede. If we cut them out we would be very hard to beat.
On the night Limerick deserved it and good luck to them in next round but Im far happier today than i was 12 months ago leaving salthill.
An Clar Abu!
gaelforce10
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I'm not sure Niall Moran will ever play as well again, and Dillon hasnt played that badly this season up to now.
It was like 96 again in a way. We were the better team for long periods but allowed Limerick to stay in touch with the second goal in particular. Whoever is full back shuldnt allow a forward that sort of levity in around the house- it wasnt commanded.
Seadhna Morey is more of an out the field player than a corner back and I think Pat O'Connor did enough the last day to justify a place v Limerick. Bad call by Davy.
I think its a pity that Daire keane didnt come to the fore this season and then got scuppered by injuries- he's a big man with ability to score and create in a way that Fergal Lynch just can't at intercounty.
Expecting Darach Honan to work miracles after two hip operations this year was a bit much. Still he was dangerous but he'll be a different prospect next season, like a new addition.
Does anyone think we need a forwards coach, someone like Jamesie or Eamonn O'Shea- we seem to have the personnel now but Davy has a blind spot about how to best to use them.
If someone told me at the start of the year we'd be out of Division 2, and that we will have beaten Dublin and been unlucky not to beat both wATERford and Limerick in the champiosnhip I would have taken it. We have a good solid footing now.My fear is that Davy may not be the man to lead us back to glory. If he is he needs to improve the brains trust alongside him on the line and not think he's going to do it all on his own.
Fair play to Limerick- someone said the rivalry was bitter, but I wouldnt categorise it like that. Clare and Limerick is a keen rivalry and its hard but fair. Hope they maintain the momentum now, not least because it might make us feel better about ourselves and ease the disappointment we, in Clare, are feeling right now.
ljk
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RR30,JC and Banner 95 all fair posts in my mind.I thought Limk struggled at times last night and clare were better for large parts of the game.I think this win will bring them on though and also we were missing a few too and played the first half with only 5 forwards[no fault on Geary crazy he being there in the first place]For me i couldn't believe clare played the forwards the way they did as i thought we were vulnerable at the backs for first half anyway.Limk got a few shall we call them dubious decisions which were needed too.However i felt that we could get goals all through the game and as i said in an earlier post coming from where we were we were never going to kill off the opposition like kk or tipp would do.If tipp win today i would like to avoid kk as i feel we'd have a better chance v waterford,wouldn't totally write us off v kk as you could have 3-5 different players starting the next day.Fair play to Allen he is building a panel and with the exception in my opinion of Playing Geary in forwards[no matter how he was going in training he is just not a forward]is giving his players that are performing in training the chance when it arises[when condon got injured it would have been an easy decision to bring on hickey.Next day will be a different match i actually thought limk never got to the intensity they got to in the tipp match.
tv1
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Originally posted by gaelforce10:
I'm not sure Niall Moran will ever play as well again, and Dillon hasnt played that badly this season up to now. It was like 96 again in a way. We were the better team for long periods but allowed Limerick to stay in touch with the second goal in particular. Whoever is full back shuldnt allow a forward that sort of levity in around the house- it wasnt commanded.Seadhna Morey is more of an out the field player than a corner back and I think Pat O'Connor did enough the last day to justify a place v Limerick. Bad call by Davy.I think its a pity that Daire keane didnt come to the fore this season and then got scuppered by injuries- he's a big man with ability to score and create in a way that Fergal Lynch just can't at intercounty.Expecting Darach Honan to work miracles after two hip operations this year was a bit much. Still he was dangerous but he'll be a different prospect next season, like a new addition.Does anyone think we need a forwards coach, someone like Jamesie or Eamonn O'Shea- we seem to have the personnel now but Davy has a blind spot about how to best to use them.If someone told me at the start of the year we'd be out of Division 2, and that we will have beaten Dublin and been unlucky not to beat both wATERford and Limerick in the champiosnhip I would have taken it. We have a good solid footing now.My fear is that Davy may not be the man to lead us back to glory. If he is he needs to improve the brains trust alongside him on the line and not think he's going to do it all on his own.Fair play to Limerick- someone said the rivalry was bitter, but I wouldnt categorise it like that. Clare and Limerick is a keen rivalry and its hard but fair. Hope they maintain the momentum now, not least because it might make us feel better about ourselves and ease the disappointment we, in Clare, are feeling right now.
Would agree with a lot of that but what good is a forwards coach when your head coach insists on playing them midfield and in the halfback line?
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