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Topic: Limerick hurling - Happy Winners !!!
ProjX
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 20:53
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Good win tonight but a lot tighter than it needed to be. limerick did just enough to hold on at the end.

We criticised them for those horrific losses against Clare (twice) and Tipp when we had those games wrapped up. It was not good enough but the happy losers were happy just to be there.

That was the breaking point where the real hurling people said 'enough'. At that time John Allen was being a failure in his role. Out of the Munster championship in the first round and failure to get promoted from hurlings second division.

Now, thanks to ProjX and the other Happy Winners, the players and management know that the only acceptable result is victory. Regardless of who we meet in the quarter finals, the expectation is that Limerick will win.
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frasiercrane
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 21:02
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I presume you will still be calling for John Allens head after tonights result
ProjX
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 21:07
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Originally posted by frasiercrane:
I presume you will still be calling for John Allens head after tonights result

ProjX was supporting John this week after someone was criticising him. There is an All Ireland there for the taking this year if Limerick hurling has the belief that they are winners

Winning is the expectation.
ashassin
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Posted: 14-Jul-2012 23:13
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Originally posted by ProjX:
ProjX was supporting John this week after someone was criticising him. There is an All Ireland there for the taking this year if Limerick hurling has the belief that they are winnersWinning is the expectation.
Someone ring up the assylum and tell them it's ok we have just found their lunatic.

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lopper
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 00:09
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Some nervy win, but a massive win at the same time. More was on the line for Limerick tonight, the positivity of the whole season was on the line tonight, whereas Clare can still go home tonight with their heads held high after a positive year. A win in Thurles, where we haven't won much at all in recent years. And the springing of Hannon, Downes and Hickey helping to close out the win.

I knew we had the game won when Hickey came on. Even though I can't really remember him touching the ball after his introduction, it was a serious confidence boost when you realised you were able to bring on someone of his ability and experience at that stage.

It was a real come-back-to-earth-with-a-bang performance in the first half though. Half-back line was in trouble, O'Mahoney was losing his battle and there were big gaps down the middle. The half back line stepped up in the second half though and that was probably the winning of it. DO'G was plucking balls and reading the game well and sweeping, Wayne Mac made a few important intercepts. Condon going off was a big worry, but they took Honan off soon after O'Neill went in on him and that calmed nerves. Downes was useful when he came on and scored the sealing point. We have probably seen the last of Brian Geary, it's unfortunate that he went out out of position, but in the latter half of the decade I felt he was our best and most consistent performer. His absence against Clare in 08 was probably a turning point for that team.

A special mention for Niall Moran - delighted for him having played a stormer today. Classic Nialler over the shoulder points and the unusual scene of him plucking the odd ball and delivering shoulders. Came good today in a game that was on the line.
ProjX
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 00:15
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Originally posted by lopper:
Some nervy win, but a massive win at the same time. More was on the line for Limerick tonight, the positivity of the whole season was on the line tonight, whereas Clare can still go home tonight with their heads held high after a positive year. A win in Thurles, where we haven't won much at all in recent years. And the springing of Hannon, Downes and Hickey helping to close out the win.I knew we had the game won when Hickey came on. Even though I can't really remember him touching the ball after his introduction, it was a serious confidence boost when you realised you were able to bring on someone of his ability and experience at that stage. It was a real come-back-to-earth-with-a-bang performance in the first half though. Half-back line was in trouble, O'Mahoney was losing his battle and there were big gaps down the middle. The half back line stepped up in the second half though and that was probably the winning of it. DO'G was plucking balls and reading the game well and sweeping, Wayne Mac made a few important intercepts. Condon going off was a big worry, but they took Honan off soon after O'Neill went in on him and that calmed nerves. Downes was useful when he came on and scored the sealing point. We have probably seen the last of Brian Geary, it's unfortunate that he went out out of position, but in the latter half of the decade I felt he was our best and most consistent performer. His absence against Clare in 08 was probably a turning point for that team.A special mention for Niall Moran - delighted for him having played a stormer today. Classic Nialler over the shoulder points and the unusual scene of him plucking the odd ball and delivering shoulders. Came good today in a game that was on the line.

There is a great belief in this team now and victory tonight is massive for these players.

There is an All Ireland there for Limerick in 2012. It's not about building a team for 2 years from now, it's about the players knowing they can win the All Ireland this year.
Taebags
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 00:23
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The words Bitter Little B.olix spring to mind
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 00:38
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I have this thing in my head that 2017 will be our optimum year provided that things remain stable in Limerick between now and then. Obviously if things happened before then, it would be absolutely brilliant.

In 2017:
Seamus Hickey, Gavin O'Mahony, James Ryan, Tom Condon, Richie McCarthy will be 30

Hannon, Dowling, Downes will be in their mid 20s

Cian Lynch, Ronan Lynch etc will be 21

In 2017 there will be a crop of players from the ages of 20 to 30 that will be as good a crop of players as we have had for a long time. Minding them and staying controversy free is critical for the next five years.
ProjX
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 01:20
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I have this thing in my head that 2017 will be our optimum year provided that things remain stable in Limerick between now and then. Obviously if things happened before then, it would be absolutely brilliant. In 2017:
Seamus Hickey, Gavin O'Mahony, James Ryan, Tom Condon, Richie McCarthy will be 30Hannon, Dowling, Downes will be in their mid 20sCian Lynch, Ronan Lynch etc will be 21In 2017 there will be a crop of players from the ages of 20 to 30 that will be as good a crop of players as we have had for a long time. Minding them and staying controversy free is critical for the next five years.

2012 is the year, the players are capable of winning the All Ireland in 2012. The great teams win All Ireland's when they have the correct bunch of lads. The time is now for this Limerick team.

They must believe.
parmenion
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 01:35
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Originally posted by lopper:
Some nervy win, but a massive win at the same time. More was on the line for Limerick tonight, the positivity of the whole season was on the line tonight, whereas Clare can still go home tonight with their heads held high after a positive year. A win in Thurles, where we haven't won much at all in recent years. And the springing of Hannon, Downes and Hickey helping to close out the win.I knew we had the game won when Hickey came on. Even though I can't really remember him touching the ball after his introduction, it was a serious confidence boost when you realised you were able to bring on someone of his ability and experience at that stage. It was a real come-back-to-earth-with-a-bang performance in the first half though. Half-back line was in trouble, O'Mahoney was losing his battle and there were big gaps down the middle. The half back line stepped up in the second half though and that was probably the winning of it. DO'G was plucking balls and reading the game well and sweeping, Wayne Mac made a few important intercepts. Condon going off was a big worry, but they took Honan off soon after O'Neill went in on him and that calmed nerves. Downes was useful when he came on and scored the sealing point. We have probably seen the last of Brian Geary, it's unfortunate that he went out out of position, but in the latter half of the decade I felt he was our best and most consistent performer. His absence against Clare in 08 was probably a turning point for that team.A special mention for Niall Moran - delighted for him having played a stormer today. Classic Nialler over the shoulder points and the unusual scene of him plucking the odd ball and delivering shoulders. Came good today in a game that was on the line.

After watching the match again here now on the sky box- Niall moran looked like hurcules coming off the field, fair play Niall, the spuds are boiling!
Hold that Line
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 02:17
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Jaysus lads give these young Limerick players time and space to develop before expecting instant All-Ireland's from them. It creates unrealistic expectations awful early and remember Limerick are far from the only county with great youngsters coming though. Just look at Galway, Clare, Tipp and Cork, etc. And that's not even mentioning Kilkenny.
staycalm
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 09:13
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Hopefully now Limerick can do ok if we draw Kilkenny. Id be happy with a good performance and to be within 5 or 6 points at the finish
Taebags
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 09:32
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Limerick proved tonight that their going the right way. But some people are either wums or very disillusioned if they think that Limerick should expect to win the AI at this stage.

Taking a look at the pecking order Tipp have already beat Limerick in the championship and Waterford beat them last year. Galway look to have improved lots and are at least the third best team in the country now imo.

Cork, Waterford and Limerick are in 4th,5th and 6th spots in whatever order at the moment.
Limerick will get a chance to prove themselves even more the next day but even if they do win and reach the semis, they will still have to beat two more teams that will be warm favourites against them.

It seems to be only on this site that lads are talking about winning it.
Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 13:11
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2012/0715/329237-limerick-captain-calls-for-new-league-format/

RTE say that Niall Moran is Limerick captain, and they have a photo of the footballers then. I laughed a bit.
ProjX
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 13:17
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Originally posted by Kobe Shefflin:
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/2012/0715/329237-limerick-captain-calls-for-new-league-format/RTE say that Niall Moran is Limerick captain, and they have a photo of the footballers then. I laughed a bit.

The second picture is of Niall. RTE usually get facts incorrect. This is a very minor mistake by RTE standards.

The reason there is also a picture of the footballers is because they also had a tremendous win yesterday.
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Sa Bhaile
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 13:32
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Originally posted by staycalm:
Hopefully now Limerick can do ok if we draw Kilkenny. Id be happy with a good performance and to be within 5 or 6 points at the finish

Same as that. We don't need to win the next day, no matter who we are drawn against, for the season to be a success. We are now in the position where we should be competitive against Cork, Waterford, Clare, Dublin. Being competitive against KK and Tipp in August/September would be a huge achievement. Any of the teams I mentioned above (and others) could beat us the next day - that's sport. But we can now look forward to playing these teams with a degree of hope and expectation rather than trepidation.

Wums like Projx who call for the manager's head when we lose and who, after a win, claim we are about to win the AI, are destroying real debate on this site. A balanced view is what is required. We are not world-beaters - far from it. But we are going in the right direction. We are in a position to be competitive - thank God. To be able to play our part in the championship each year is what being a GAA supporter is all about. At the end of the day, only one team can win the AI. The rest will be called 'Happy Losers' by clowns like ProjX and backpage man. The fact is that each game is a challenge and there should be no talk of winning an AI until we get to an AI final, there should be no talk of winning an AI semi until we get to an AI semi, there should be no talk of winning a Munster final until we get to a Munster final. One game at a time - let's enjoy the games, win or lose.
Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 13:40
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Originally posted by ProjX:
The second picture is of Niall. RTE usually get facts incorrect. This is a very minor mistake by RTE standards.The reason there is also a picture of the footballers is because they also had a tremendous win yesterday.

I know boy, I was one of the ten Limerick fans that made the trip.
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theblack&amber
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 15:28
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Originally posted by ProjX:Now, thanks to ProjX and the other Happy Winners, the players and management know that the only acceptable result is victory.

Are you Cristiano Ronaldo by any chance, I only ask because I honestly don't think I've come across someone with as big an ego as you.

And not to be stirring but aren't winners usually happy? Again I just ask because I've never heard of an unhappy winner.

And not to burst your bubble but I think the management and players would probably guess that its only winning that counts without your help.
theblack&amber
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 15:35
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Originally posted by lopper:
Some nervy win, but a massive win at the same time. More was on the line for Limerick tonight, the positivity of the whole season was on the line tonight, whereas Clare can still go home tonight with their heads held high after a positive year. A win in Thurles, where we haven't won much at all in recent years. And the springing of Hannon, Downes and Hickey helping to close out the win.I knew we had the game won when Hickey came on. Even though I can't really remember him touching the ball after his introduction, it was a serious confidence boost when you realised you were able to bring on someone of his ability and experience at that stage. It was a real come-back-to-earth-with-a-bang performance in the first half though. Half-back line was in trouble, O'Mahoney was losing his battle and there were big gaps down the middle. The half back line stepped up in the second half though and that was probably the winning of it. DO'G was plucking balls and reading the game well and sweeping, Wayne Mac made a few important intercepts. Condon going off was a big worry, but they took Honan off soon after O'Neill went in on him and that calmed nerves. Downes was useful when he came on and scored the sealing point. We have probably seen the last of Brian Geary, it's unfortunate that he went out out of position, but in the latter half of the decade I felt he was our best and most consistent performer. His absence against Clare in 08 was probably a turning point for that team.A special mention for Niall Moran - delighted for him having played a stormer today. Classic Nialler over the shoulder points and the unusual scene of him plucking the odd ball and delivering shoulders. Came good today in a game that was on the line.

Great post, agree with it fully.

I would add that I thought Limerick were much smarter with the ball, played it faster and as a consequence didn't run into trouble with short passing the way Clare did.

I also think that Limerick didn't wilt in the last 10 the way they did against Clare and Tipp earlier in the year, I think the looked like they've learned to live with championship levels of intensity.
staycalm
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 16:53
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Originally posted by theblack&amber:
Great post, agree with it fully.I would add that I thought Limerick were much smarter with the ball, played it faster and as a consequence didn't run into trouble with short passing the way Clare did.I also think that Limerick didn't wilt in the last 10 the way they did against Clare and Tipp earlier in the year, I think the looked like they've learned to live with championship levels of intensity.

It has nothing to do with learning to live with the levels of intensity of championship. Their training was designed to be at peak fitness for mid July. Being fit in April has no bearing on the championship as Clare proved last night
ProjX
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 16:55
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Originally posted by theblack&amber:
Are you Cristiano Ronaldo by any chance, I only ask because I honestly don't think I've come across someone with as big an ego as you.And not to be stirring but aren't winners usually happy? Again I just ask because I've never heard of an unhappy winner.And not to burst your bubble but I think the management and players would probably guess that its only winning that counts without your help.

Winners are usually happy, however, only a few weeks ago, a small amount of Limerick fans were happy Losers. This was a silly mindset considering the fabulous players in the Limerick squad
hunter
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 17:10
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Limerick is the most fickle county I know.

Lose one match and slate everyone. Win one match and everything is perfect.
glasandbán
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 18:01
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Originally posted by hunter:
Limerick is the most fickle county I know.Lose one match and slate everyone. Win one match and everything is perfect.

Please stop mistaking WUMS like ProjX for representing limerick supporters! I'm disappointed people even reply to his treads! What a cringeworthy title!!! STOP BITING!!!!!
ProjX
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 18:05
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
Please stop mistaking WUMS like ProjX for representing limerick supporters! I'm disappointed people even reply to his treads! What a cringeworthy title!!! STOP BITING!!!!!

I thought you had been given the road from this site for stalking me?

I see you are still obsessed with me.

Thank goodness we have come a long way from when you and your ilk were celebrating defeats to Tipperary and Clare. Now, get over it and move on.
TippTed
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Posted: 15-Jul-2012 21:09
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Originally posted by ProjX:
I thought you had been given the road from this site for stalking me?I see you are still obsessed with me. Thank goodness we have come a long way from when you and your ilk were celebrating defeats to Tipperary and Clare. Now, get over it and move on.

Agreed, Limerick showing much better spirit since those Clare and Tipp results.

Most of Tipp thought Limerick had Tipp beaten that day, Limerick threw that game away.

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