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staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 07:43	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Unlike the Limerick V Clare threads, can we keep all discussion to the one thread this time. Tough tough draw. But I suppose Kilkenny knew that was going to be the case no matter who they got!!!
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	toughest draw for limerick. the first 20 mins will be crucial as kk will aim to finish it off early but limerick have started well in most games this year so if they can stay with them they will have a fighting chance, but i think they would have hoped for cork as they could take them. hopefully 2 more great games as ive really enjoyed the championship this year. least no tipp v kk final again, thank God!
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Bring it on!!!!
limerick__73 (152 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
limerick__73 (152 Posts)	A very tough draw to be fair. People cant expect Limerick to win this one. I just hope we dont get hammered because if we do that could set us back after all the work that has been put in this year. just hope we can give them a good game. Anything could happen on the day.
rebelrising (484 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrising (484 Posts)	Originally posted by Banner1995: toughest draw for limerick. the first 20 mins will be crucial as kk will aim to finish it off early but limerick have started well in most games this year so if they can stay with them they will have a fighting chance, but i think they would have hoped for cork as they could take them.hopefully 2 more great games as ive really enjoyed the championship this year. least no tipp v kk final again, thank God! Limerick couldn't play Cork so I presume you mean Waterford? Good draw for Cork but a very 50/50 game against Waterford. I thought Waterford did ok yesterday but some bad decisions and shooting let them down.
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:30	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Originally posted by rebelrising: Limerick couldn't play Cork so I presume you mean Waterford? Good draw for Cork but a very 50/50 game against Waterford. I thought Waterford did ok yesterday but some bad decisions and shooting let them down. ya sorry my bad. Cork should take deise, i dunno if waterford have improved really at all from last year.
rebelrising (484 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
rebelrising (484 Posts)	Originally posted by Banner1995: ya sorry my bad. Cork should take deise, i dunno if waterford have improved really at all from last year. they conceded five less goals against Tipp! they have good players but the defending for tipp's second goal was very poor.
limerick__73 (152 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 08:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
limerick__73 (152 Posts)	could be looking at battles between. walsh - fennelly richie mc - power condon - hogan wayne mc - larkin dodge - reid o mahony - shefflin o'brien - fennelly jimbob - rice hannon/dowling - doyle hannon/dowling - hogan breen - walsh mulcahy - murphy moran - delaney tobin - tyrell cant see limerick getting on top in too many of theses positions it would be a big ask.
Jimmy Conway (364 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 09:02	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Jimmy Conway (364 Posts)	Some route for Limerick to win in out now, KK,TIPP and Galway possibly!
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 09:10	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
About a Bicycle (1,741 Posts)	Originally posted by Jimmy Conway: Some route for Limerick to win in out now, KK,TIPP and Galway possibly! Or, would you believe, KK, TIPP and CORK!!!!
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 09:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	If this Limerick team had to play Kilkenny at some stage then to play them in the 1/4 final is the best time to play them. They are more used to Thurles than Kilkenny are and now have experience of winning a big match there. Plus there wont be the nerves involved with having to play them in Croke Park. All the pressure is on Kilkenny and with a forward line made up of 6 from Hannon, Dowling, Moran, Breen, Downes, Mulcahy and Tobin hurling with abandon, anything could happen
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 09:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
carryharry (4,804 Posts)	2 good games in store there. Cork v Waterford is the closest match up on paper, looking at how both teams performed against Tipperary would lead me to favour Cork. But only slightly, if as is expected and these games go ahead in Thurles then who knows. Waterford showed last year against Galway that they can bounce back quickly after defeat. All in all the JBM factor should see Cork home imo. Limerick v KK, a different game for KK. Limerick in Thurles if that is in fact where this game goes ahead will not fear KK. Okay the bookies will have KK raging hot favorites but a one off game against Limerick will not be easy. Like alot of younger teams out there, the KK jersey will not frighten the younger Limerick players. They will play with abandon and give KK a right good rattle. All in all i feel KK will have too much attacking players for Limerick to keep quiet, but it should be a humdinger. I really hope they play these games as a double header in Thurles and pack the place out thus creating a serious atmosphere.
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 09:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	This could be a cracker. One thing I've always noticed about Limerick/Kilkenny games is that Limerick always wear into Kilkenny, they'll always have a go. They've got some very good hurlers, and strong hurlers at that, so I don't think they'll lack any fight. Experience may be the problem, Limerick lack it big time, especially when you consider the opposition. Also you'd wonder is it too soon for a young Limerick team to make take the next step. Then again if they're not involved in these type of games they'll never know. On the other side you have Kilkenny, who are still hurting from the spanking got off of Galway. Also after handing over one trophy this year, Kilkenny will be fiercely determined not to do it a second time, and will be very up for this match. And we'll have a few of our injured back as well, and those carrying injuries will have healed. Also you can't underestimate the hurt they had after losing Leinster, it mightn't seem much to others but a Leinster title means as much to a Leinster man as a Munster title to a Munster man, and they'll not want a repeat of that feeling this year. Also Kilkenny have become famous for using a serious defeat for motivation, and when you look at how Tipp, Cork and Offaly used disappointment to bounce back and win through the back-door then you can't write off Kilkenny doing that. Thurles will favour neither side, Kilkenny play there as much as Limerick do, and win more often there too. Maybe this Kilkenny side are reaching the end of the road, but they're still on it, and when fully fit, probably have the strongest starting 15 and panel available. The quality in those players should be enough to see off Limerick, but after a tough contest. Also Kilkenny have a knack of getting goals against even the best backs which I fancy will be the difference. Just too big a game against too big an opposition too soon for Limerick's development. Or the making of them as AI contenders. We'll know in two weeks, but I suspect the former. As an aside, I thought poor Waterford defending for the second goal and poor shooting form them was a big bearing on the result yesterday. Had Waterford been smarter, they could well have beaten Tipp. Waterford could have beaten Tipp. Kilkenny are in the QF's. Cork looking rejuvenated under JBM. Limerick and Clare look like they're finally rewarded with the underage work and producing good sides. Dublin, I assume, will be better next year. Wexford even have a rake of young lads on their panel, and are starting to get some nice and encouraging results at underage. And Galway finally look like they have the setup to deliver. Anyone else getting the feeling that 2012 is the year that the hurling landscape is starting to even out a bit from the dual dominance of Kilkenny and Tipp in recent years?
zanajak (125 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 10:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
zanajak (125 Posts)	Contrary to the RTÉ website, the semi final draw has NOT been determined yet. It is still dependent on results from the quarter finals....unless they are doing the usual thing and assuming KK will beat Limerick..... If that's the case then why bother playing the match at all? So if both Limerick and Cork win then a draw will be necessary as both have already played Tipperary. (From GAA....."Repeat pairings to be avoided if feasible. A draw will be made to determine pairings if necessary") No draw will be needed if KK and/or Waterford win.
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 10:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Originally posted by zanajak: Contrary to the RTÉ website, the semi final draw has NOT been determined yet. It is still dependent on results from the quarter finals....unless they are doing the usual thing and assuming KK will beat Limerick..... If that's the case then why bother playing the match at all? So if both Limerick and Cork win then a draw will be necessary as both have already played Tipperary. (From GAA....."Repeat pairings to be avoided if feasible. A draw will be made to determine pairings if necessary") No draw will be needed if KK and/or Waterford win. I'm sure the draw goes by who you haven't played, then by at what stage did you play them previous. If that's the case the hierarchy for facing Tipp is Waterford, Cork and Limerick with the Limerick match at the lowest stage of the competition for Tipp. If Cork and Limerick win, Cork will be playing Galway and Limerick will be playing Tipp as Cork played Tipp at a later stage than Limerick. If Limerick and Waterford win, the same applies. As I read it going on recent years, as it stands, no matter what, the winners of Limerick/Kilkenny will be playing Tipp and the winners of Cork/Waterford will be playing Galway. This message has been edited - 16-jul-2012 @ 10:56
daylo (642 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 10:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
daylo (642 Posts)	predection Kilkenny 5:18 Limerick 16
weirside jack (255 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:12	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
weirside jack (255 Posts)	Originally posted by daylo: predection Kilkenny 5:18 Limerick 16 FLIGHTS BOOKED FOR THE WEEKEND €100 RETURN GREAT VALUE. IS THE MATCH ON IN THURLES?
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Originally posted by limerick__73: could be looking at battles between. walsh - fennelly richie mc - power condon - hogan wayne mc - larkin dodge - reid o mahony - shefflin o'brien - fennelly jimbob - rice hannon/dowling - doyle hannon/dowling - hogan breen - walsh mulcahy - murphy moran - delaney tobin - tyrell cant see limerick getting on top in too many of theses positions it would be a big ask. Scary prospect but I'd say there could be a few changes to the Limerick team from the last day. Would say it would have to be Ryan to mark Fennelly, might be our only man to attempt to match his physicality. If the team hurl with the same commitment and aggression as they did v tipp then as galway showed anything can happen. If Hannon with more gametime under his belt and Dowling both catch fire and if an in form Kevin Downes can make an impact anything could happen.
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Cat Malojan (248 Posts)	Originally posted by carryharry: 2 good games in store there.Cork v Waterford is the closest match up on paper, looking at how both teams performed against Tipperary would lead me to favour Cork. But only slightly, if as is expected and these games go ahead in Thurles then who knows. Waterford showed last year against Galway that they can bounce back quickly after defeat. All in all the JBM factor should see Cork home imo.Limerick v KK, a different game for KK. Limerick in Thurles if that is in fact where this game goes ahead will not fear KK. Okay the bookies will have KK raging hot favorites but a one off game against Limerick will not be easy. Like alot of younger teams out there, the KK jersey will not frighten the younger Limerick players. They will play with abandon and give KK a right good rattle. All in all i feel KK will have too much attacking players for Limerick to keep quiet, but it should be a humdinger. I really hope they play these games as a double header in Thurles and pack the place out thus creating a serious atmosphere. Not sure the Thurles factor is as much in Limerick's favour as you think Harry..Kileknny love playing in Thurles, especially this Kilkenny team..They have played the league semi and final in Semple already this year..I would have preferred Cork to be honest..Kilkenny don't know what to expect from Limerick, and they will be a tricky assignment with pace and youthful exuberance to burn..however, they did cough up a few goal chances that Clare didn't take..I expect us to put in a professional, clinical performance and meet ye boys in the semis..Apparently Cody had a one-on-one meeting with all the players after the Galway game to get to the bottom of the performance..rather them than me! People are assuming a massive Kilkenny backlash..hopefully we can save a bit of it for the semi-final if we see off Limerick. This message has been edited - 16-jul-2012 @ 11:24
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:25	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
theblack&amber (593 Posts)	Originally posted by glasandbán: Scary prospect but I'd say there could be a few changes to the Limerick team from the last day. Would say it would have to be Ryan to mark Fennelly, might be our only man to attempt to match his physicality. If the team hurl with the same commitment and aggression as they did v tipp then as galway showed anything can happen. If Hannon with more gametime under his belt and Dowling both catch fire and if an in form Kevin Downes can make an impact anything could happen. Good post, but I wouldn't count Fennelly in just yet, he only played 30 minutes for Ballyhale the other night (but I wouldn't rule him out either). Its far more likely he won't be there, and that Buckley and Rice (both fully over their injuries) will be the starters in midfield as it is. And I expect Limerick in a QF will hurl with commitment and aggression, to be fair they've done it all summer so far. One thing though, as bad as Kilkenny were the last day defensively the likelihood of a repeat performance by the Kilkenny defence is not great. This will be the biggest test that the likes of Hannon, Dowling and Downes will have ever faced.
Billy De Kid (96 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Billy De Kid (96 Posts)	Worse draw that Kilkenny could have got.They wont want to play us. Good test for us.None the young players will care who they are playing.Kilkenny are just like all other teams and thats what we will look at them as. It should be a Double header in Thurles.Limerick well use to playing there. The team will be hard to pick.Allis should be back for that game.But will olny make the bench.Surely Geary WILL NOT play against Kilkinny.hannon will have a full game behind him this week. Giving everybody is fit this is the team i'd picked. N.Quaid S.Walsh R.McCarthy T.Condon W.McMamara D.O'Grady G.O'Mahony J.Ryan P.O'Brien D.Breen D.Hannon(Not Geary) S.Dowling G.Mulcahy N.Moran S.Tobin Subs to come on Hickey Downes Moloney T.O'Brien C.Allis If Condon is out i'd play Hickey at 4.But ypu cant replace Condon.Hickey played there against Kilkenny in The Final in 2007. Limerick to win by 2 points. People think im mad but Kilkenny is here bvecause they were hammered by Galway all over the pitch.Why cant Limerick Beat them??
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
glasandbán (2,046 Posts)	Originally posted by theblack&amber: Good post, but I wouldn't count Fennelly in just yet, he only played 30 minutes for Ballyhale the other night (but I wouldn't rule him out either). Its far more likely he won't be there, and that Buckley and Rice (both fully over their injuries) will be the starters in midfield as it is.And I expect Limerick in a QF will hurl with commitment and aggression, to be fair they've done it all summer so far.One thing though, as bad as Kilkenny were the last day defensively the likelihood of a repeat performance by the Kilkenny defence is not great. This will be the biggest test that the likes of Hannon, Dowling and Downes will have ever faced. Was going to your post above was a good one, this is becoming too much of a love in though! Limerick still probably haven't gotten their best 15 on the field, I don't think we even know it as with guys back from injury we don't know what form is like etc. Hannon still not back to his form of last year but it might come. Downes won't start again. While he's young I think Dowling has taken every step up in his stride so far, not saying he'll win the battle but he'll relish a crack off Tommy Walsh. If Condon is gone he's a huge loss, probably our most streetwise defender and his aggression would be needed at the back v kk. Playing kk does allow us a degree of freedom, no expectations on them so go out and attack it. On the comments above, Thurles is definitely no advantage to kk, but for Limerick it may be less intimidating to play them in thurles than croke park, so definitely prefer this venue to croke park.
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 11:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
South Limerick Referee (16,613 Posts)	OK lads, back to an old chestnut. Do you play a sweeper against Kilkenny or do you go man for man??? Kevin Tobin worked well as a sweeper against Tipperary on the third day in 2007 for a while but we had to revert to man to man eventually. The sweeper didnt work well against Tipperary in 2009. Are you better off just to move the half forward line back on opposition puckouts??? If we play a sweeper, Kilkenny will gladly let the spare man become man of the match. If we withdraw our half forwards into defence as a unit, the Kilkenny half backs tend to let their men off back into defence, and hold their own positions. Galway tapped the ball down rather than catching and competed on the ground. We are not good overhead, but I am not sure we are well equipped to devour the ball on the ground either. I think first and foremost we have to professionally stall the game at every opportunity that Kilkenny look like building a head of steam up through injuries etc. Kilkenny put in a serious performance in the second half against Galway and I dont think they have been given enough credit for that.
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 12:02	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
staycalm (1,081 Posts)	Hurl away 15 on 15. If you arent good enough that so be it. Limerick have been years looking for 6 good forwards for years and now they have them, let them play in their positions and let the best team win This message has been edited - 16-jul-2012 @ 12:04
parmenion (499 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 12:08	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
parmenion (499 Posts)	Originally posted by staycalm: Hurl away 15 on 15. If you arent good enough that so be it. Limerick have been years looking for 6 good forwards for years and now they have them, let them play in their positions and let the best team win Absolutely, Clare were p1ssing into the wind saturday night with the 5 forwards on 6 backs. Why would Limerick adapt this tactic- play 15 on 15 & let in fast ball. Limerick have the ability to get goals -so lets capatilise on that. We should have a right cut off them like we did against Tipp & who knows what could happen This message has been edited - 16-jul-2012 @ 12:09

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