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BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 17:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Anyone know when the draws are made for the minor hurling quarter-finals? Was at the Ulster final replay at Casement yesterday and Down are a decent side (by Ulster standards). What are the Wexford minors like? Were they unlucky to lose the Leinster title?
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 17:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Dublin won by four but could have won by ten. Wexford were poor on the day. They beat Dublin in the first round mainly due to a ridiculously whistle happy ref. if Down have good first touch they're in with a chance. This message has been edited - 16-jul-2012 @ 17:58
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 22:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Thanks D2. I've just seen on another thread that Down got Clare - there goes any chance of a semi-final place for Down! It is good to see them win Ulster though, especially against a fancied Antrim team that won the Leinster league this year. They have a good first touch and a couple of big strong hurlers amongst them.
daylo (642 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 22:45	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
daylo (642 Posts)	28.07.2012 (Sat) Electric Ireland GAA Hurling All Ireland Minor Championship Quarter Finals Tullamore 2.00pm An Dún v An Clár Referee: TBC (E.T. if Necessary) Tullamore 4.00pm Gaillimh v Loch Garman Referee: TBC (E.T. if Necessary)
pegasusIII (4,075 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 22:48	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
pegasusIII (4,075 Posts)	Originally posted by BellShafted: Thanks D2. I've just seen on another thread that Down got Clare - there goes any chance of a semi-final place for Down! It is good to see them win Ulster though, especially against a fancied Antrim team that won the Leinster league this year. They have a good first touch and a couple of big strong hurlers amongst them. bellshafted if down are at a standard even close to antrim in 05/06 i reckon they have a right chance. although this clare team are very resiliant they have lost 2 of their 4 games, and if limerick had had a freetaker it would have been three. they are comfortably inferior to the clare teams in 2010 and 2011.
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 23:26	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	I'd say they wouldn't be far off the standard of Antrim 05-06. Antrim fancied themselves this year with Sambo McNaughton very keen to take them (with his son Christy playing) but Down outplayed them in every line. Some big lads, some good ball winners and an excellent free-taker in Caolan Bailie. I see that Clare scored just 1-12 against Tipp so maybe a chance of an upset. Up Down!!
Dench (326 Posts)	Posted: 16-Jul-2012 23:56	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Dench (326 Posts)	Originally posted by BellShafted: I'd say they wouldn't be far off the standard of Antrim 05-06. Antrim fancied themselves this year with Sambo McNaughton very keen to take them (with his son Christy playing) but Down outplayed them in every line. Some big lads, some good ball winners and an excellent free-taker in Caolan Bailie. I see that Clare scored just 1-12 against Tipp so maybe a chance of an upset. Up Down!! 1-12 was pretty good considering the Tipp team they were up against
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 03:03	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Banner1995 (474 Posts)	Clare also held tipp to just 1-16 which was good considering tipp obliterated the title favourites waterford in the semi final.
JohnneyCool (2,069 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 09:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JohnneyCool (2,069 Posts)	Originally posted by BellShafted: I'd say they wouldn't be far off the standard of Antrim 05-06. Antrim fancied themselves this year with Sambo McNaughton very keen to take them (with his son Christy playing) but Down outplayed them in every line. Some big lads, some good ball winners and an excellent free-taker in Caolan Bailie. I see that Clare scored just 1-12 against Tipp so maybe a chance of an upset. Up Down!! It's a good enough Down team and surprisingly big all over the park, the concern I'd have is their lack of exposure these lads have to southern hurling and refereeing as it's certainly different to what they'd be used to up north in my experiences. They played Dublin in a friendly the better part of 6 weeks ago in Newry and acquitted themselves reasonably well and as far as I know that's all they've experienced in that regard. To the county boards shame they pulled out of the Tony Forrestal tournament years ago and now they've no way of benchmarking how far off they are. On the upside a good few of them play senior club hurling and the three lads from my club are all regular starters on the senior team, albeit one that's not going too well, but the three lads in question have been performing well on it. Baille is a fine hurler even at times his body language looks as if he's a bit disinterested, can turn it on when he wants to and will go for goal when he gets close. One of the few hurlers in Down who can strike a ball on the run with real power. There's a few lads on the team from Bredagh and Carryduff and they're the new up and coming teams in Down and its heartening to see. They've nothing to lose and hopefully will give it a good rattle.
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 09:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	I was wondering about how much exposure they'd have got to southern teams. The Antrim teams of 05 and 06 spent a fair few weekends down south, although the closest Antrim have come to a victory since was against Dublin in Crossmaglen three years ago and that team only had one challenge game under their belt. The lad Brannigan from Clonduff also looks like a fair hurler considering it's a club with no senior team. In total there were 14 city players on teh park on Saturday - Ards and Glens look out, the power base is shifting!! Is the Tony Forristal not an invitational tournament?
srb (49 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 09:53	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
srb (49 Posts)	KId from Bredagh, Lorcan McMullan, I thought was one of Down's stars both days and looks the part. Was planning on getting into PUC early on Sunday to watch the minors but was hammering down with rain so left it. Down a big physical team and could give Clare all they want
JohnneyCool (2,069 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 10:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JohnneyCool (2,069 Posts)	Originally posted by srb: KId from Bredagh, Lorcan McMullan, I thought was one of Down's stars both days and looks the part. Was planning on getting into PUC early on Sunday to watch the minors but was hammering down with rain so left it. Down a big physical team and could give Clare all they want Lorcan's father is a Portaferry man, so the bloodline is still Ards based. The likes of Clonduff, Newry Shamrocks, Liatroim, Castlewellan, Kilclief etc have once in a while produced good hurlers particularly at underage but then these lads fail to push onto senior intercounty as club hurling in Down isn't a good standard and I'd suggest all in they'd only get 15 to 18 games in a year. The Ulster hurling league helps a bit in this regard, but its played in feb/march normally. Bredagh are playing adult club hurling in Antrim as well as Down, so they're getting plenty of games, their neighbours Carryduff should possibly look at doing the same. I've no concerns about city hurlers provided they stay south of the Lagan.. The more the merrier.
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 13:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
BellShafted (1,123 Posts)	Originally posted by JohnneyCool: Lorcan's father is a Portaferry man, so the bloodline is still Ards based.The likes of Clonduff, Newry Shamrocks, Liatroim, Castlewellan, Kilclief etc have once in a while produced good hurlers particularly at underage but then these lads fail to push onto senior intercounty as club hurling in Down isn't a good standard and I'd suggest all in they'd only get 15 to 18 games in a year. The Ulster hurling league helps a bit in this regard, but its played in feb/march normally.Bredagh are playing adult club hurling in Antrim as well as Down, so they're getting plenty of games, their neighbours Carryduff should possibly look at doing the same.I've no concerns about city hurlers provided they stay south of the Lagan.. The more the merrier. Lorenzo?
JohnneyCool (2,069 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 14:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JohnneyCool (2,069 Posts)	Originally posted by BellShafted: Lorenzo? yes.
King Henry (153 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 14:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
King Henry (153 Posts)	Originally posted by pegasusIII: bellshafted if down are at a standard even close to antrim in 05/06 i reckon they have a right chance. although this clare team are very resiliant they have lost 2 of their 4 games, and if limerick had had a freetaker it would have been three. they are comfortably inferior to the clare teams in 2010 and 2011. pegasus i've seen a number of your recent posts regarding this clare minor team and your outlook on them is extremely negative. Bear in mind the minor teams of the last 2 years were exceptional and should have won the all ireland in both years. If clare had a free taker on sunday and cuter tactics were used, clare would have beaten tipp. Also more then half of the panel is underage again next year and the turnover from last years panel is only 4 or 5 players. This message has been edited - 17-jul-2012 @ 16:46
pegasusIII (4,075 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 20:03	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
pegasusIII (4,075 Posts)	Originally posted by King Henry: pegasus i've seen a number of your recent posts regarding this clare minor team and your outlook on them is extremely negative. Bear in mind the minor teams of the last 2 years were exceptional and should have won the all ireland in both years. If clare had a free taker on sunday and cuter tactics were used, clare would have beaten tipp. Also more then half of the panel is underage again next year and the turnover from last years panel is only 4 or 5 players. Henry not sure what you mean by'extremely negative'. I'm just expressing an opinion and have in no way been abusive about the team. Indeed I think I praised the attitude of the players which was terrific. Granted Clare could have won on Sunday but since they wouldn't have got to the final without the Clare castle mans free taking it's clutching at straws to say that the three he missed was the winning and losing of it. I just feel the side that lined up in the last two matches doesn't have enough ball winners and impact players from midfield up to beat a top class minor team. To point out that they aren't of the quality of the last couple of years isn't being negative in my opinion. Hopefully there might be some fresh blood to introduce, but either way if I'm underselling them I'll be more than happy to come on here and admit it. As a matter of interest what do you mean by cuter tactics.
hurling immortal (267 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 21:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
hurling immortal (267 Posts)	Originally posted by pegasusIII: Henry not sure what you mean by'extremely negative'. I'm just expressing an opinion and have in no way been abusive about the team. Indeed I think I praised the attitude of the players which was terrific. Granted Clare could have won on Sunday but since they wouldn't have got to the final without the Clare castle mans free taking it's clutching at straws to say that the three he missed was the winning and losing of it. I just feel the side that lined up in the last two matches doesn't have enough ball winners and impact players from midfield up to beat a top class minor team. To point out that they aren't of the quality of the last couple of years isn't being negative in my opinion. Hopefully there might be some fresh blood to introduce, but either way if I'm underselling them I'll be more than happy to come on here and admit it.As a matter of interest what do you mean by cuter tactics. i think this clare minor team defense is as good (and possibly better) than the defenses of last two years.. they were under ferocious pressure in the first half (last sunday) and did extremely well.they only gave up 6 points in the second half.. where i think this team is lacking big time(compared to last two teams) is in midfield.. colm galvin and tony kelly was an exceptional midfield partnership at minor level.i think that this team have a decent forward line if given the right ball.. the likes of o donnell, shanahan,deacy, duggan and even young taylor (he wasnt great on sunday but has averaged two points a game up to that) are all good forwards.. but midfield needs to be sorted. if tony kelly was 5 days younger clare would have won that match.i still think they are capable of reaching the ai as i think they avoid tipp..
Bannerabu (549 Posts)	Posted: 17-Jul-2012 23:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Bannerabu (549 Posts)	I would have to agree with Pegasus view on this years team as compared to the last 2 years. Carey though is a serious fullback and will play senior for Clare next year as will Quilligan who will challenge Kelly for the number 1 jersey. These are the only 2 i would see making a breakthrough next year.
tse (483 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 00:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
tse (483 Posts)	The thing about minor is that often players develop dramatically during the year. While they will have played U16 county or Harty cup this is their first real exposure to higher level intense competition. They are all still developing physically and are learning the game at a higher level than previously. Some players thrive at this and really push their game on a level. Minor teams change during as the year goes on, and this is why it was great that they won the Munster semi to guarantee an all Ireland quarter. Carey as some have mentioned has thrived game by game but is still learning full back play. Cleary has looked good and with another game we could be all talking about him for next year. Shanahan has missed a lot of time with injury and the leaving, but will get better and better. Morey and Duggan weren't as prominent as previously but both are U17 and will bounce back. Does Niall Deasy become one of the main players having not been on the team at the start? Currently we would say that last years were much stronger but let them hopefully get over Down, continue out the year and evaluate at the end.
KeepOnHurling (3,223 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 03:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
KeepOnHurling (3,223 Posts)	The game against Down will be our 5th championshp game this year at minor. If we get past that a game v Dublin would be our 6th. Although it would be nice for our minors to get to play in Croke Park, I'm not sure if it's a little over the top. Given that we've already lost twice, we're clearly not the best team in Munster and also we are not genuine All-Ireland contenders. Doesn't really help things in relation to club match scheduling. This message has been edited - 18-jul-2012 @ 03:51
Bannerabu (549 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 13:32	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Bannerabu (549 Posts)	Crazy system alright that you can lose 2 games and still be in contention for an All Ireland and as you say delaying the club championship. Surly a similar template to the senior championship could be used where if you lose the 2nd time your gone.
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 13:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Originally posted by Bannerabu: Crazy system alright that you can lose 2 games and still be in contention for an All Ireland and as you say delaying the club championship. Surly a similar template to the senior championship could be used where if you lose the 2nd time your gone. Two years ago Dublin came within a point of beating Clare in the All Ireland Semi Final. If they'd won they'd have been taking on KK for the third time that year in the All Ireland Final, having already lost to them twice in Leinster. While winning an All Ireland would be great you'd have to wonder if you could really count it being that the team you beat had already beaten you twice and if you were from KK you'd have been right -------ed off about it!! This message has been edited - 18-jul-2012 @ 13:39
King Henry (153 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 13:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
King Henry (153 Posts)	Originally posted by pegasusIII: Henry not sure what you mean by'extremely negative'. I'm just expressing an opinion and have in no way been abusive about the team. Indeed I think I praised the attitude of the players which was terrific. Granted Clare could have won on Sunday but since they wouldn't have got to the final without the Clare castle mans free taking it's clutching at straws to say that the three he missed was the winning and losing of it. I just feel the side that lined up in the last two matches doesn't have enough ball winners and impact players from midfield up to beat a top class minor team. To point out that they aren't of the quality of the last couple of years isn't being negative in my opinion. Hopefully there might be some fresh blood to introduce, but either way if I'm underselling them I'll be more than happy to come on here and admit it.As a matter of interest what do you mean by cuter tactics. ok maybe i looked too much into your posts and i apologise pegasus. But i still think this clare team is underrated, the defense is fantastic and in carey, cleary, shanahan, o donnell and niall deasy, they have players who will make the step up to u21 straight away next year. It must be said though that free takers nearly always have a huge influence on a team's performance and duggan is no different, he's the main reason they were in pairc ui caoimh in the first place. You are correct in that they will have to alter that half forward line by including ball winners in there, taylor must be moved to the corner and perhaps malone should start from now on due to the physical presence he brings. Shane gleeson and mark mcguane are two more big guys on the bench with the latter being able to play in the backs or forwards and both are strong in the air.
Bannerabu (549 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 13:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Bannerabu (549 Posts)	These round robin games are pointless, its not as if these lads are short of games between Colleges, club minor, U21 & Adult. By going in to an All Ireland Qualifier if beaten in your Provincial Championship teams get the chance to play teams from other provinces that they wouldnt normally meet in competitive action.
runai (179 Posts)	Posted: 18-Jul-2012 14:21	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
runai (179 Posts)	You have the same with minor football Tipp beat Kerry twice, but Kerry still in with a chance of All Ireland but won't have it easy against Roscommon on Bank Holiday weekend.

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