Originally posted by whip n cut:
Not sure how relevant a statistic this is but Donal o Grady & Brian Gearyi are the only Limerick men from the starting 15 that started in Thurles that started in 2007 also - Seamus hickey started in "07 and came on as a sub last Saturday v Clare and Niall Moran started v Clare and Came on as a sub in 07. Gone are Murray Reale Lucey Lawlor Foley Banger Mike Fitz ( Doon - remember him ? ) Ollie
Seamier o Connor Shocks Begley & Donie .in fact Niall is the only listed sub from 07 still involved .
By comparison The Cats still have Hickey TyrellWalsh Hogan JJ Larkin Shefflin and Fogarty - among the subs in 07 wereMichael Fennelly Richie power ( both of whom came on in the 1st half ) Michael Rice The 2 Reid's and PJ Delaney . John Tennyson was a sub in 07 and came on for Noel Hickey and is still on this years panel ( an animal of a hurler !!! )
So in summary - Kilkenny have 15 of the 06 squad still active in 2012 - - Limerick have just 3 .
What if any is the relevance of this do ye think ?
It's definitely a case of Massive Experience V a very promising team of up and coming Limerick men !!!!

Originally posted by whip n cut:

What if any is the relevance of this do ye think ?

This message has been edited - 17-jul-2012 @ 13:41

Originally posted by Cat Malojan:
Not sure about the Limerick line up, I have the programme at home, here is a comparison of the respective KK line upsHerity McGarry
Kavangh Murphy
Hickey JJ
Tyrell Tyrell
TW TW
Hogan Hogan
JJ Doyle
Lyng Rice
Cha Fennelly/Buckley
Comerford Reid
Henry Henry
Larkin Larkin
Brennan Fennelly
O'Dwyer Power
Taggy Hogan

Originally posted by frasiercrane:
You have the goalkeepers the wrong way around

Originally posted by Roberto Jordan:
Whatever about th specific game the broader relevance is this......I would wager that if you compare KK and Lmk teams from , for example, 04 and 07 you woudl find greater or equal continuity on the part of KK tham Lmk also........While continuing witha losing team/ panel is foolish so is the idea that massive turn over of players can compete with steady structured fine tuning of a panel.......The primary reasons for KK sucess in my view are the self evident ability of core of players & management and continuity of selection/ development....with both being equally important............Continuity is difficult to achieve ,even with stability in managment ,as must balance stability and not allowing team/ panel to age particualry with key players who are hard to replace......also the one big impact of our amateyr staus is still ongevity of players outise the core 6 or 8 on a inter county panels....life happens and hurlers retire/ lose form/ lose interest......
returning to your post on Limerick I would not be entirely au fait with exact ages or injury history of all teh players mentioned but , as an example, Peter Lawlor is surely an examply of someone that did very litle/ featured very little after that point given his abilities/ performanmce record relative to limericks avaiblae pick?An interesting exercise for someone with time would be to start with the panel for each county in 2007 & work forward to today and draft in 3, and only 3, of that years minors...........

Originally posted by whip n cut:
The EXTENDED Panel SLR - well spotted all the same - pity you weren't as efficient with the facts in your books !!
They weren't in the first 24 in 07 - Jesus I felt like Jim o Sullivan putting those stats together !!!

Originally posted by lovelypoint:
Was thinking just the same recently, with relatively few of the older Limerick faces still there. As a Waterfordman, would always have regarded Limerick as a very tough team once they got a foothold in the game, throwing everything at you, and showing a true warrior spirit. I wonder how Limerick fans may feel about the current team, and if perhaps this character is still there, or lost with the bathwater. Genuinely curious, as I have yet to get a read on this Limerick team, as imagine most people outside Limerick feel the same, not knowing quite what to expect in the white hot heat of championship hurling from this team simply because we haven't seen them yet. In any event, would feel this Limerick team is a very promising one, with some serious young forward talent, and tests do not come much tougher than a wounded Kilkenny..

Originally posted by staycalm:
Dont understand what you mean by not having seen them yet. They played a full blown championship match 4 days ago.....

Originally posted by lovelypoint:
You can't judge everything from one game, or even a few games.

Originally posted by murraymarmalade:
Fintan ?

Originally posted by Roberto Jordan:
Whatever about th specific game the broader relevance is this......I would wager that if you compare KK and Lmk teams from , for example, 04 and 07 you woudl find greater or equal continuity on the part of KK tham Lmk also........While continuing witha losing team/ panel is foolish so is the idea that massive turn over of players can compete with steady structured fine tuning of a panel.......The primary reasons for KK sucess in my view are the self evident ability of core of players & management and continuity of selection/ development....with both being equally important............Continuity is difficult to achieve ,even with stability in managment ,as must balance stability and not allowing team/ panel to age particualry with key players who are hard to replace......also the one big impact of our amateyr staus is still ongevity of players outise the core 6 or 8 on a inter county panels....life happens and hurlers retire/ lose form/ lose interest......
returning to your post on Limerick I would not be entirely au fait with exact ages or injury history of all teh players mentioned but , as an example, Peter Lawlor is surely an examply of someone that did very litle/ featured very little after that point given his abilities/ performanmce record relative to limericks avaiblae pick?An interesting exercise for someone with time would be to start with the panel for each county in 2007 & work forward to today and draft in 3, and only 3, of that years minors...........

Originally posted by whip n cut:
Under no circumstances should Seamus Hickey be considered as a replacement for Condon if he is out !! Shane o Neill is unquestionably the best corner back on the panel outside of Walsh & Condon - indeed there is a train of thought that O Neill should be in ahead of Walsh . Seamus Hickey would IMHO not fit into or Enhance in any way the Current Limerick system - remember last year when he was full back ? Soloing out to the half way line !! That is the job of o Mahony and mc Namara . I don't recall Seamus Hickey getting on the ball last Saturday after coming on - I don't think he has had enough game time to get up to the pace required - and especially now against KK ....

Originally posted by glasandbán:
You might be right. Undoubtedly one of our top players talent wise but if his touch is not yet back and of he has not had enough time working under Allen he may not fit into the team as well. One thing Allen has improved out of sight since last year is players decision making on the ball. O'Grady's system seemed to have them confused, overthinking and taking the wrong option. Hickey is prone to the I'll advised solo run or to go for hail Mary scores from out the field already, a year under Allen improving his decision making and he will be a very serious player for us next year. Whether he is up to the level of starting this year I don't know.Has anyone been to any training sessions? Where is hickey playing in training?

This message has been edited - 18-jul-2012 @ 12:42

Originally posted by I shot JR:6 of those 7 Kilkenny players still starting in 2012 are over 30 and are still very much part of the core of the team.

Originally posted by theblack&amber:
Only Hickey (31), Shefflin (33), Delaney (30) and Brian Hogan (30) are the only ones over the thirty mark on the Kilkenny panel. Tyrrell (29), Fogarty (28), Larkin (28), Rice (28), Walsh (28), Tennyson (27) and Fennelly (27) are the next oldest.Of the 11 mentioned, Hickey, Tennyson and Fogarty generally aren't going to be regular starters. Even at that, you could say that most of those players have a few years left in them.And the average age of the Kilkenny squad is 25.

Originally posted by staycalm:
But sure on that basis you could say we cant judge any team as nobody has played more than 3 or 4 matches