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Kildare GAA are really beginning to annoy me!!
kinnittyman
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17-Jul-2012 13:15
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Firstly we had the Seanie Johnston fiasco and Kieran McGeeney's blatant disregard for hurling.
And now I see their County Board Chairman is giving out yards that the qualifier against Limerick has been taken out of Newbridge.
What a dipstick - The Health and Safety Audit on all county grounds was done months ago and Kildare were well aware of the limitations placed on Newbridge. Rather than actually be pro-active about upgrading their stadium like the majority of countys were, Kildare sat idly by and decided they would rather pump copious amounts of money into the Senior Football team and Kieran McGeeneys bloated, egotistical self-serving backroom team than upgrade their facilities. And low and behold now they can't host a qualifier because their ground doesn't meet the required criteria and they go crying to the media.
All this in one of the wealthiest county's in Ireland.
What a shower. They'd actually turn you off GAA.
The Badger
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17-Jul-2012 13:25
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In Kildares defense i think they did have plans to build a new stadium in Newbridge just before the bubble burst.
As for the H&S audit, that was a joke, the 2 grounds that got gutted were Newbridge and Navan which coincidently belong to the 2 counties the GAA want to share a stadium with Dublin near the M50. Meanwhile Pairc ui Caoimh which is slated by anyone whoever goes there can hold a provincial final.
Louth were forced to move a home qualifier to Breffni in Cavan last year too so its not entirely unprecendented.
As for SJ and the cult of McGeeney, yeah no argument there but its been done to death at this stage.
kinnittyman
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17-Jul-2012 13:30
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Originally posted by The Badger:
In Kildares defense i think they did have plans to build a new stadium in Newbridge just before the bubble burst.
As for the H&S audit, that was a joke, the 2 grounds that got gutted were Newbridge in Navan which coincidently belong to the 2 counties the GAA what to share a stadium with Dublin near the M50. Meanwhile Pairc ui Caoimh which is slated by anyone whoever goes there can hold a provincial final.
Louth were forced to move a home qualifier to Breffni in Cavan last year too so its not entirely unprecendented.
As for SJ and the cult of McGeeney, yeah no argument there but its been done to death at this stage.
Exactly, it's not unprecedented. Offaly had to move a hurling qualifer to Portlaiose a few years ago. So in fairness to our County Board we got O'Connor Park upgraded to an excellent standard. Kildare knew this was coming and the County Board Chairman would rather the blame lies elsewhere.
The Badger
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17-Jul-2012 13:36
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I think the new Kildare stadium was proposed in 2007 when we were being told about 'soft landings' etc
O'Connor Park is a good template stadium wise for what we should all aim for to be honest. But this mad plan of gutting Pairc Tailteann and Newbridge so we can be squeezed in with the Dubs has to stop.
Postlaoise will be handier for a lot of people in SW Kildare anyway and Limerick fans will have a shorter trip.
What are your opinions on them football wise Kinnitty?
spade caller
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17-Jul-2012 14:05
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Originally posted by kinnittyman:
All this in one of the wealthiest county's in Ireland. What a shower.
Not sure if that's technically accurate anymore Kinnitty! Of course, they SHOULD be very wealthy but we can only guess as to the reasons for their lack of funds*
Personally I hope this is only the beginning of Croke Park standing in the way of anything the KCB ever want to do again!
*snigger, titter, guffaw etc etc
kinnittyman
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17-Jul-2012 14:06
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O'Connor Park is ideal in this day and age for a county ground particularly in Leinster where 20,000 is a massive crowd. And if a game is looking like going over that we can ship it up to Croke Park as Dublin is hugley accessible now from all over the province.
Actually in Leinster we have Tullamore, Portlaoise, Nowlan Park and Wexford Park which can all hold 20,000 crowds but anyting heading for 30,000 will have to go to Croke Park. I think this is an ideal situation as grounds in Leinster having the capacity to host crowds 30,000-50,000 would be complete white elephants. We have Croke Park for those. Meath and Kildare should look at getting their venues up to around 20,000 and that would be comfortably sufficent.
As regards the Kildare footballers I'm like the majority of people, and think that they are a reasonable team (Top 6) but are lacking that extra bit of class in the forward line to win the All-Ireland. Considering the amount of time and money that's gone into McGeeney's 5 years there his time will have to be looked at as a failure as he didn't win a Leinster with them and surely in a county like Kildare success is measured in achieving something tangible rather than seeing progress. With all that's gone on in Kildre over the last 5 years it has to be.
kinnittyman
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17-Jul-2012 14:08
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Originally posted by spade caller:
Not sure if that's technically accurate anymore Kinnitty! Of course, they SHOULD be very wealthy but we can only guess as to the reasons for their lack of funds*
Personally I hope this is only the beginning of Croke Park standing in the way of anything the KCB ever want to do again!
*snigger, titter, guffaw etc etc
I was referring to the county as a whole rather than just their county board.
spade caller
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17-Jul-2012 14:14
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Originally posted by kinnittyman:
Surely in a county like Kildare success is measured in achieving something tangible rather than seeing progress. With all that's gone on in Kildre over the last 5 years it has to be.
That's the thing though, an awful lot of Kildare people think that it has actually been a success, I keep hearing about how they are the "linear" champions (whatever the fuk that is) and how they've been unlucky/robbed etc etc. The fact is Kildare are no closer to winning the AI than they were in 1994. Only now they have a large crew of backroom staff to console themselves for this failure
stewiegriffin
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17-Jul-2012 14:44
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It's no coincidence that that the counties with the poorest grounds (Meath Kildare and Louth) are the ones with the brand new county training centres. I'd assume that these developments were prioritised.
azamour
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17-Jul-2012 14:49
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Originally posted by spade caller:
That's the thing though, an awful lot of Kildare people think that it has actually been a success, I keep hearing about how they are the "linear" champions (whatever the fuk that is) and how they've been unlucky/robbed
First I've ever heard of 'linear champions' and I'm a Kildare man. Where do people get this crap from?
The media have fuelled Kildare hype in the past few years but most sensible Kildare people are fully aware of their limitations. Relatively speaking, the last 4 or 5 years have been a success for Kildare. Before 2007 Kildare had won three qualifiers and could barely win a game in Leinster. Since 2008 they're yet to lose a qualifier. That might not mean a whole lot to the Kerrys, Corks and Dublins of this world but it is progress from Kildare's point of view. They have come up short against top quality opposition come the latter stages in Croke Park but they have gone down fighting in every championship exit since 2008 which is all you can ask for as a supporter.
Can't say I'm one bit happy about the Johnston situation but there's enough native lads there who gave sterling service throughout a very lean period and are excellent ambassadors for the county. They deserve support and I have the utmost respect for their efforts. I will continue to do so and not be put off by the actions of McGeeney and Johnston.
St Conleth's Park is indeed a dump but I understand the cb's frustration. Kildare were entitled to home advantage and it should have been left up to the county board to decide whether the game should have been moved outside the county or not. If they wanted the game in Newbridge with an 8,000 capacity, it should have been their choice. It should not have been enforced upon them by the CCCC.
The proposed new stadium at Old Connell was announced in 2007 but that funding for it was to come from the sale of the existing ground. With the property crash, the project dead in the water now. The GAA want Kildare and Meath to agree to a groundshare in a stadium on the outskirts of Dublin so it's unlikely there'll be any funding from Croke Park available to upgrade St Conleth's Park or Pairc Tailtean.
The Badger
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17-Jul-2012 15:36
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What exactly is a 'linear' All Ireland champ?
azamour
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17-Jul-2012 15:39
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Originally posted by The Badger:
What exactly is a 'linear' All Ireland champ?
I'd love to know. I'd also love to know where Spade Caller keeps hearing it. It's certainly the first time I've heard it anyway.
spade caller
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17-Jul-2012 16:11
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Like I said, I'm not sure either although I found it here and mentioned other places on the web:
"Well the season is over now with Dublin winning a meaningless All-Ireland title. The reason I say that is because the best team in the country (Kildare) were robbed this year and last year with terrible referee calls. Obviously the Gaa are under pressure financially and they needed Dublin to win this year and they didn't want Dublin to face Kildare again because they knew Kildare would beat them if they played again. Kildare have been the most consistent team in the last 4 years and the best team of the last 2 years. Kildare are the linear All-Ireland champions and I'm looking forward to seeing Kildare defend their All-Ireland title next year."
That's from another GAA website that shan't be named and I've heard it mentioned on other DBs and in pubs around Croke Park before games this year.
I appreciate that there are plenty of genuine GAA fans in Kildare too but the county board will reap what they sow, a shame for the likes of yourself.
Of course you'll still support the Lilies that have always put in sterling service but I'm surprised that the GAA clubs of Kildare have allowed the CB to behave as they have over the last while.
To get back to the point of the thread, as regards the game itself, I'm not sure but I presume the fixtures are controlled by Central Council as opposed to the provinces and so Croke Park have final say on where and when they're played, obviously a home game would be nice but it'd hardly be fair to deny a few thousand people the chance to attend, not to mention the lost money on the gate.
As an aside, I always liked Conleth's Park, something nice about a ground bang in the middle of town. It always reminded me of going to games in my childhood with the fence as it is etc.
The Badger
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17-Jul-2012 16:21
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Originally posted by spade caller:
Like I said, I'm not sure either although I found it here and mentioned other places on the web:"Well the season is over now with Dublin winning a meaningless All-Ireland title. The reason I say that is because the best team in the country (Kildare) were robbed this year and last year with terrible referee calls. Obviously the Gaa are under pressure financially and they needed Dublin to win this year and they didn't want Dublin to face Kildare again because they knew Kildare would beat them if they played again. Kildare have been the most consistent team in the last 4 years and the best team of the last 2 years. Kildare are the linear All-Ireland champions and I'm looking forward to seeing Kildare defend their All-Ireland title next year."That's from another GAA website that shan't be named and I've heard it mentioned on other DBs and in pubs around Croke Park before games this year.
Sweet merciful lord jesus christ the lad who wrote that should be shot with balls of his own sh1te.
Hoganstand i presume, the stuff lads come up with on that forum is unbelievable.
azamour
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17-Jul-2012 16:58
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The clubs are cranky about plenty of things going on in Kildare GAA at the moment. The last county board meeting was quite heated and went on for hours. There was a transcript of what was said at the meeting in one of the local papers but I can't find it online. There'll definitely be changes down the line once the senior team bow out.
As for reading something on HS I wouldn't pay any attention to that place. The fact that the busiest threads on there are the minor football and hurling threads says it all. I've found that most of the people talking up Kildare in recent years are pundits and journalists from outside the county. The local papers are quite realistic as are most of the GAA people in the county.
Kieran Shannon's article in the Examiner today was well balanced and accurate in its assessment of Kildare:
http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/kieran-shannon/something-for-everyone-as-qualifiers-get-real-200972.html
limerick4liam
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17-Jul-2012 19:25
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Just on the mentioned issue of stadium development...
I think at this stage there are enough higher capacity stadiums owned by the GAA around Ireland. According to WorldStadiums.com there are at least 18 stadiums of 20,000 or more capacity. Refurbishments of the likes of Newbridge and Ennis is needed but they should be kept below 20,000 to keep their atmosphere and so games don't just get lost with small crowds in these Stadiums like they can be in Croke Park, Thurles and the Gaelic Grounds.
azamour
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17-Jul-2012 19:37
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The proposed Kildare development was in the region of 15,000 - 20,000 if I remember correctly. I agree there are far too many big half assed stadia around the country that are underused and full once in a blue moon. The Athletic Grounds in Armagh should be the benchmark for any future ground redevelopments - fine small sized stadium.
frasiercrane
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17-Jul-2012 19:58
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McGeeney has been a big success with Kildare.They were dire before he took over them.If he had taken over Offaly at the same time I'd fancy Offaly would have been getting to quarter finals and Kildare wouldnt be anywhere near as good as they are.O'Connor Park is the template all grounds should follow.Not too big Not too small, pitch is excellent and the atmosphere is good.It was only half full for the Offaly Wexford match but the atmosphere was excellent.its the opne thing the Offaly County Board have done in the last 10 years that has been a success.
jimmymahon
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17-Jul-2012 23:34
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Originally posted by kinnittyman:
Exactly, it's not unprecedented. Offaly had to move a hurling qualifer to Portlaiose a few years ago. So in fairness to our County Board we got O'Connor Park upgraded to an excellent standard. Kildare knew this was coming and the County Board Chairman would rather the blame lies elsewhere.
'Tis a great spot for hurling training as well, when you can get in there....
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