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Topic: The Irish Independent GAA correspondents run the rule over the six teams left in the race for to win the Liam McCarthy cup.
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 15:25
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Breheny, V Hogan, Clinoa Foley, Cyril Farrell, Keyes, Jackie Cahill and D Boyle give their opinions of the Hurling so far.

Various questions are asked but i won't type them all (not on website yet either) but the last question was interesting.

In order of preference, rate the 6 counties still remaining in the All-Ireland race?

Brehany,
1. Kilkenny. They haven't gone away, you know.
2. Tipperary. One defeat from their last 13 championship games. Solid!
3. Galway. Can they find a second swallow and make a summer?
4. Cork. Empire building progressing nicely.
5. Waterford. Well used to the 1/4 final route.
6. Limerick. On bonus territory now.

V Hogan,
1. Kilkenny. One bad day doesn't undo a team's greatness.
2. Tipperary. Defying the gossips.
3. Galway. One stunning day but can they repeat it?
4. Cork. A work in progress, but inbred confidence makes them dangerous.
5. Waterford. Would love a semi final shot at Galway.
6. Limerick. Young team gathering real momentum.

Cliona Foley,
1. Kilkenny. They have a point to prove.
2. Galway. Now using tactics instead of trying to use raw talent to hurl their way out of trouble.
3. Tipperary. Primarily because they got the tougher side of the draw.
4. Cork
5. Waterford. On the basis that the Rebels, while inexperienced, have more goalscoring potential.
6. Limerick. Unlucky enough to draw the Cats.

Cyril Farrell,
1. Galway. They gave the best performance so far.
2. Tipperary. Getting better every day and they're in the semi final.
3. Kilkenny. Facing long and tough route.
4. Cork. Building steadily with new-look side.
5. Limerick. Improving, but what and awful 1/4 final draw.
6. Waterford. Need more firepower in attack.

Colm Keyes
1. Tipperary. Selection from outset.
2. Kilkenny. A different challenge will ignite them.
3. Galway. The element of surprise is gone.
4. Cork. Long overdue a championship win over Waterford.
5. Waterford. The draw suits them.
6. Limerick. Have drawn the short straw in the 1/4 finals.

Jackie Cahill,
1. Kilkenny. Still favourites.
2. Galway. Hot favourites to reach the final.
3. Tipperary. Improvement need but its anticipated.
4. Cork. Could easily reach an All-Ireland final.
5. Waterford. Cork could be a bridge too far.
6. Limerick. Fearing a Kilkenny backlash.

Donnachadh Boyle
1. Kilkenny. Still the standard bearers.
2. Tipperary. Finding their feet a little more with every game. Only 70mins from a final.
3. Galway. One big result was never beyond them, but in recentseasons following it up has being the problem.
4. Cork. An exciting young team.
5. Waterford. Still life in some of the old dogs.
6. Limerick. Another young team on the rise. The Munster championship will be a bear pit in a few years time.


What ye think of some of those answers? Cyril is really wearing the county colours, while Jackie Cahill will offend Tipperary folk with his picks i think. They all bar one rate Limerick at number 6.
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glasandbán
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 15:34
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I think Cyril has it spot on. Put aside all this consistency talk an look at this year and no one had out in a performance that comes close. Also, they have their talisman canning playing like he's unstoppable. For kk, shefflin and power have been more subdued, and for tipp lar is barely back and Kelly isn't starting.

After that tipp are still improving. Kk have 3 matches to play to win it, with injuries and some ageing key players, against 3 teams that will all tear into them with newfound motivation. A bridge too far I think.
theface2010
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 15:47
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
I think Cyril has it spot on. Put aside all this consistency talk an look at this year and no one had out in a performance that comes close. Also, they have their talisman canning playing like he's unstoppable. For kk, shefflin and power have been more subdued, and for tipp lar is barely back and Kelly isn't starting.After that tipp are still improving. Kk have 3 matches to play to win it, with injuries and some ageing key players, against 3 teams that will all tear into them with newfound motivation. A bridge too far I think.

I would say Cyrill is playing silly buggers if he thinks Limerick have a better chance of beating KK than Waterford have of beating Cork-no offence to the Limerick lads but whoever drew KK in the QF were going out to long odds. In saying that, all 6 experts have gone for Cork over Waterford so maybe the bookies have it spot on.
staycalm
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 15:54
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Originally posted by theface2010:
I would say Cyrill is playing silly buggers if he thinks Limerick have a better chance of beating KK than Waterford have of beating Cork-no offence to the Limerick lads but whoever drew KK in the QF were going out to long odds. In saying that, all 6 experts have gone for Cork over Waterford so maybe the bookies have it spot on.

It isnt who has a better chance of winning the All Ireland. They were asked to rate them from 1-6
Hold that Line
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 15:58
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Can't believe Cyril put Galway at 1. You would think as a Galway man he would be trying to put a lid on things and stick them in at 3 or somewhere like that.
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 15:59
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Originally posted by Hold that Line:
Can't believe Cyril put Galway at 1. You would think as a Galway man he would be trying to put a lid on things and stick them in at 3 or somewhere like that.

My thoughts exactly considering they tend to be over hyped some years.
Ravel28
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:01
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Reason being because he is an absolute f**kin eejit... The way he just mumbles on RTE is beyond a joke.. I take whatever he says with a pinch of salt
theface2010
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:03
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Originally posted by staycalm:

It isnt who has a better chance of winning the All Ireland. They were asked to rate them from 1-6

Ah right my bad.
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:06
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Originally posted by Ravel28:
Reason being because he is an absolute f**kin eejit... The way he just mumbles on RTE is beyond a joke.. I take whatever he says with a pinch of salt

Ok!!!! If you think so!

Imo he is the best hurling man to talk on RTE and gent to booth!
Yojimbo
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:06
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Somewhat of a contradictory comment from Colm Keyes, ranking Waterford below Cork , and saying 'The draw suits them'

4. Cork. Long overdue a championship win over Waterford.
5. Waterford. The draw suits them.

Apart from Cyril's mischievous Galway bias, is he tipping Tipp to down the Cats in the semi, based solely on the Cats Leinster Final defeat, I wonder?
Collars Up
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:08
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hard to agree with any of the selections. galway have played 1 good game this summer and suddenly they are AI champions in some peoples eyes?! has anybody not learned anything about galway over the last 20 odd years? take canning out of that forward line, donnellan will never play like he did in the leinster final again, i cant see where their scores are going to come from to win an all ireland, their full back line is suspect too if it's targeted, Hynes isnt a full back.
Cork are a very young and inexperienced team, even the young guys that theyve brought in are good but they have no underage pedigree compared to kk, tipp, wford, limerick, galway, their most experienced player is brian murphy and tom kenny, after that it's cadogan who's probably only in his 3rd or 4th season, they lack intensity and physicality, i think they are a limited bunch that jimmy barry is getting the best out of, they havnt forwards that would put the fear of god into any defence like what they had over the last decade, id rank limerick ahead of cork and being from waterford im glad we drew cork instead of limerick.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:10
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
I think Cyril has it spot on. Put aside all this consistency talk an look at this year and no one had out in a performance that comes close. Also, they have their talisman canning playing like he's unstoppable. For kk, shefflin and power have been more subdued, and for tipp lar is barely back and Kelly isn't starting.After that tipp are still improving. Kk have 3 matches to play to win it, with injuries and some ageing key players, against 3 teams that will all tear into them with newfound motivation. A bridge too far I think.

Canning was a joy to watch in the Leinster Final; like a man reborn: hopefully he can sustain it as its fair to say his immense talent hasn't delivered to the extent we had hoped it would, even if injuries have played their part
Ravel28
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:12
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Ok!!!! If you think so!Imo he is the best hurling man to talk on RTE and gent to booth!

Ya he might be a nice man and i dont doubt it but come on he doesnt analyse anything on the sunday game just builds up a head of steam and his point could take him anywhere..

His analysis comes down to galway will win everything(if still in it) or being on the holes of the team most like to win the All ireland aka Tipp or KK
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:20
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:

Canning was a joy to watch in the Leinster Final; like a man reborn: hopefully he can sustain it as its fair to say his immense talent hasn't delivered to the extent we had hoped it would, even if injuries have played their part

In fairness Jim, Joe has being motoring along nicley for a couple of years now since a lull a while back. The difference for me in the KK game was he got some back up, he wasn't double teamed everytime he got the ball because defenders were needed elsewhere.

Joe is an amazing talent, but he needs help like he got the last day. Will he get it again i wonder?
Blanco
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:25
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Some of them would still have KK at Number one even if they were knocked out of the championship such is their adoration of them.

The question was on the Hurling done so far.

How can anyone say that KK have done better than Galway so far?
Yojimbo
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:26
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Originally posted by carryharry:
In fairness Jim, Joe has being motoring along nicley for a couple of years now since a lull a while back. The difference for me in the KK game was he got some back up, he wasn't double teamed everytime he got the ball because defenders were needed elsewhere.Joe is an amazing talent, but he needs help like he got the last day. Will he get it again i wonder?

I suppose part of the reason he impressed so much in the Leinster was the way the forward unit as a collective clicked, harry.
And then he hasn't looked as lean and mean in ages.

But, hopefully, whether or not the team clicks to that extent in the remainder of the Championship, Joe can sustain that kind of form and fitness
Hold that Line
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:28
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Originally posted by Blanco:
How can anyone say that KK have done better than Galway so far?

Well they haven't but until they are beaten again they are probably going to get the benefit of the doubt.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:32
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Some of them would still have KK at Number one even if they were knocked out of the championship such is their adoration of them.The question was on the Hurling done so far.How can anyone say that KK have done better than Galway so far?

I've already posted my suspicions about at least part of the reason for the Cats inertia in the Leinster Final, but although there's no question that Anthony Cunningham has done great work with Galway, I was reminded of The Cats humbling in the 2011 League Final, when they were also short some key players.

And I just can't help have the feeling that Cody will have seen how we are trying to time our run to perfection, in the way that they did last year, and we failed to do, and cut us off in mid-flight, at the semi-final stage.

After all, whats another Leinster title, in the era of the back-door?
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Blanco
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:35
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Originally posted by Hold that Line:
Well they haven't but until they are beaten again they are probably going to get the benefit of the doubt.

That fine if you are talking about the rest of the championship that has yet to be played.

But you are talking about rating the teams on what they have done so far then there is no doubt whatsoever that Galway have been better than KK so far , I am sure even most if not all KK posters agree.

I have no problem with Tipp been rated third at the moment, we have been economical more than brilliant in all our games so far, but that's ok as long as they pull all the stops out when they have to.
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:37
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:

I've already posted my suspicions about at least part of the reason for the Cats inertia in the Leinster Final, but although there's no question that Anthony Cunningham has done great work with Galway, I was reminded of The Cats humbling in the 2011 League Final, when they were also short some key players.And I just can't help have the feeling that Cody will have seen how we are trying to time our run to perfection, in the way that they did last year, and we failed to do, and cut us off in mid-flight, at the semi-final stage.After all, whats another Leinster title, in the era of the back-door?

Hardly realistic Jim.

Why would he want to face Tipp in a semi final.

Cody doesn't imo do fads & tricks, he plays it straight and goes out to win big games.
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Hold that Line
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:38
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I think we can safely rule out silly conspiracy theories about Kilkenny and Cody throwing matches in order to play Tipp a few weeks earlier than usual. Even Jim Corr wouldn't buy that one.
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:39
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Originally posted by Blanco:
That fine if you are talking about the rest of the championship that has yet to be played.But you are talking about rating the teams on what they have done so far then there is no doubt whatsoever that Galway have been better than KK so far , I am sure even most if not all KK posters agree.I have no problem with Tipp been rated third at the moment, we have been economical more than brilliant in all our games so far, but that's ok as long as they pull all the stops out when they have to.

My bad lads.

Under the headline before discussion starts, it reads.

'The Irish Independent GAA correspondents run the rule over the six teams left in the race to win the Liam McCarthy cup.'
This message has been edited - 17-jul-2012 @ 16:41
Yojimbo
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:42
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Hardly realistic Jim.Why would he want to face Tipp in a semi final.Cody doesn't imo does not do fads & tricks, he plays it straight and goes out to win big games.

You've a very short memory, Harry!
Yojimbo
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:42
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Originally posted by Hold that Line:
I think we can safely rule out silly conspiracy theories about Kilkenny and Cody throwing matches in order to play Tipp a few weeks earlier than usual. Even Jim Corr wouldn't buy that one.

Who's the 'we'?
carryharry
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Posted: 17-Jul-2012 16:50
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:

You've a very short memory, Harry!

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