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Topic: Was that the first instance of a GAA ref changing his mind after a video review
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:19	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	Eoghan O'Gara's point waved wide by points umpire, after being influenced by the Meath backs, left wide by Marty Duffy ( ref ) until judging by the protestations from the Dubs crowd at the vid replay that it was in fact a point.
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:22	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Originally posted by bp: Eoghan O'Gara's point waved wide by points umpire, after being influenced by the Meath backs, left wide by Marty Duffy ( ref ) until judging by the protestations from the Dubs crowd at the vid replay that it was in fact a point. RTE said it was the lineman that told Duffy he and his umpire had got it wrong. No doubt it will be denied that it was the video replay that changed the initial call.
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:24	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Yes it was , and even though the right decision was ultimately made the process for getting the decision is against the rules of the GAA. Technically that should be a big black mark against the ref from the assessors as if the GAA support his actions then a precedent is set were other teams should also be able to demand a TV replay for decisions they feel have wrongly gone against them.
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:26	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by Keanes Road: RTE said it was the lineman that told Duffy he and his umpire had got it wrong. No doubt it will be denied that it was the video replay that changed the initial call. Funny the linesman didn't get involved until it was played on the big screen , of course they will deny it but only a fool would believe them.
Red Pepper (171 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:28	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Red Pepper (171 Posts)	Has this inadvertently set a precedence I wonder?
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:31	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by Red Pepper: Has this inadvertently set a precedence I wonder? Only if the GAA say the ref was right to do what he done , if not then it is just a mistake by the ref.
Jimmy Conway (364 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Jimmy Conway (364 Posts)	This could be huge and you can be sure they are feverishly getting their story sorted right now. Dodgy decision next week and the players will all look to the big screen
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:47	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Originally posted by Jimmy Conway: This could be huge and you can be sure they are feverishly getting their story sorted right now. Dodgy decision next week and the players will all look to the big screen I'd say The Sunday Game analysis should be good tonight ...unless the GAH get to them beforehand!
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	I think this could have big repercussions, Marty Duffy has inadvertently crossed the Rubicon with regard to big screen reviews.
Tom Sawyer (233 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Tom Sawyer (233 Posts)	Common sense prevailed - he realized a mistake was made and corrected it. I don't understand what ye are bit.ching about. If he hadn't corrected the decision then lads would be complaining that they did not consult with linesmen or look at the big screen. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
bluesky (559 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 17:59	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bluesky (559 Posts)	its a pity no linesman told the ref in the 2010 leinster final that he carried the ball over the line, here we are again today the umpire again doing Meath a turn
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:01	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	Who is bitching Tom ? The score was not going to be allowed until the tv replay showed it clearly going between the posts, the ref then decided to overrule his umpires based on this evidence, therefore it was a video review.
bp (2,408 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bp (2,408 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: I'd say The Sunday Game analysis should be good tonight ...unless the GAH get to them beforehand! They're vigilant at following up things like Davy Fitz cursing, will they even be bothered bringing this up in detail ?
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Keanes Road (2,524 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: I'd say The Sunday Game analysis should be good tonight ...unless the GAH get to them beforehand! But if they are asked to investigate it then surely they will. I wonder are they checking their Twitter account this evening? They seemed intent on doing their duty in following up on Davy a few weeks back.
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:25	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Deegan either told him he saw it on video or live. I suspect he will say he saw it live and that's what they'll stick to.
johnny cash (737 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:27	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
johnny cash (737 Posts)	maybe folk are being a bit harsh on the umpire. he seemed to be reaching for the flag and was then subject to barrage of verbals from at least 3 meath players shouting and signalling it wide. it seemed to sow doubt in his mind. it seems to me that he thought it was a point and then with the torrent of meath players shouting it wide he doubted his own initial opinion
Red Pepper (171 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Red Pepper (171 Posts)	Maybe it's time that trainee referees are brought in to umpire the posts for these big matches as Martin McHugh has stated. It's not that difficult a job, but you need someone who is not easily influenced by the players or the crowd.
bigman14 (23 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
bigman14 (23 Posts)	Originally posted by johnny cash: maybe folk are being a bit harsh on the umpire. he seemed to be reaching for the flag and was then subject to barrage of verbals from at least 3 meath players shouting and signalling it wide. it seemed to sow doubt in his mind. it seems to me that he thought it was a point and then with the torrent of meath players shouting it wide he doubted his own initial opinion If thats the case i would give out about the umpire even more. His job is to make a decision and to be strong enough to stand by that decision
Arkle (1,357 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:39	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Arkle (1,357 Posts)	Lads looked to me like the umpire initially decided it was a point... and how could he not, he was actually behind the goal, so he had the best view in the house. He seemed to be going for the flag, but the Meath backs started protesting, and then it looks to me like the ref overuled the umpire. Then after it was shown on the screen the ref overruled his own decision to disallow it. Farcial all around from all quarters.. What was the ref doing overuling the umpire in the first place? Why did the umpire not make a stronger case to the red, he obviously had the best view of it? Did the ref actually use the replay to change his mind? If so, I'm not opposed to video review, but it set a whole new precedent.
johnny cash (737 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
johnny cash (737 Posts)	true bigman14 but the man is human and in the face of intimidation it is not always easy do the job right. Originally posted by bigman14: If thats the case i would give out about the umpire even more. His job is to make a decision and to be strong enough to stand by that decision
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:41	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Blanco (7,909 Posts)	Originally posted by dubliner 2: Deegan either told him he saw it on video or live. I suspect he will say he saw it live and that's what they'll stick to. But how will he explain that he stood there doing nothing as the Ref told the umpires to wave it wide, the ref went back to half the way line and still nothing from the linesman , then just before the kick out it gets played on the big screen and suddenly the linesman remembers that he actually saw it go wide live.
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 18:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Hitch (3,644 Posts)	Originally posted by Arkle: Lads looked to me like the umpire initially decided it was a point... and how could he not, he was actually behind the goal, so he had the best view in the house. He seemed to be going for the flag, but the Meath backs started protesting, and then it looks to me like the ref overuled the umpire. Then after it was shown on the screen the ref overruled his own decision to disallow it. Farcial all around from all quarters.. What was the ref doing overuling the umpire in the first place? Why did the umpire not make a stronger case to the red, he obviously had the best view of it? Did the ref actually use the replay to change his mind? If so, I'm not opposed to video review, but it set a whole new precedent. That's how I saw it too. Fascinating week ahead to see how they will squirm out of this!
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 19:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
dubliner 2 (10,823 Posts)	It's the GAA. They'll stick to their story no matter what!
yankeelad (5,535 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 19:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
yankeelad (5,535 Posts)	Originally posted by Hitch: That's how I saw it too. Fascinating week ahead to see how they will squirm out of this! I did not see the play but if this went down as people on this thread seem to think it is just fcukn unbelievable. This message has been edited - 22-jul-2012 @ 19:53
paddy last (23 Posts)	Posted: 22-Jul-2012 20:35	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
paddy last (23 Posts)	Originally posted by bp: Eoghan O'Gara's point waved wide by points umpire, after being influenced by the Meath backs, left wide by Marty Duffy ( ref ) until judging by the protestations from the Dubs crowd at the vid replay that it was in fact a point. Im sick of players intimidating umpires by roaring/shouting at them, they should be immediately booked for it.

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