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O'Neill favours use of big screen for key decisions
jimmymahon
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25-Jul-2012 10:09
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O'Neill favours use of big screen for key decisions
25 July 2012
GAA president Liam O'Neill is happy for match officials to use the big screens in Croke Park to aid their decision-making.
His comments come after referee Marty Duffy disallowed a legitimate Eoghan O'Gara point for Dublin in last Sunday's Leinster football final against Meath, only to reverse his decision after it appeared that linesman Maurice Deegan had told him to after looking at the replay on one of the big screens.
However, the GAA insisted yesterday that Deegan did not use the screen before informing Duffy that the score should have stood.
"Doing the right thing would never make me feel uncomfortable," O'Neill is quoted as saying in The Irish Independent.
"You have to be brave enough to do the right thing and that is what we are here for. Everyone wants to see if someone gets a score that they are entitled to it. And if it's wide everyone wants to see it given wide.
"Maurice clearly had a better angle, he informed the referee and that informed the referee's decision. That was common sense in action, the right thing was done by the right people at the right time, and in time. We'd be very happy with it."
The president revealed that goal-line technology - which was due to be introduced this summer - remains "in the mix".
"Technology has to catch up with our games. We all know that Hawk-Eye works, but it works in a confined space. The difficulty now is that it has to work in the size of our stadia to convey that information as quickly as it does for cricket or tennis.
"Also, posts do move and that is a difficulty. A cricket stump does not move or the line in tennis does not move, but goalposts apparently do.
"Whatever technology that will be brought in must convey the decision instantly. We are not afraid of technology - I would try any technology that would speed up decision-making and help us do the right thing. The question is, can it be done quickly enough to convey that without holding up the game?"
theblack&amber
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25-Jul-2012 10:15
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And why not? If something is available and it helps referees make correct decisions regarding scores, fouls, cards etc. should it not be used?
Fair play to O'Neill.
jimmymahon
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25-Jul-2012 10:16
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What I could see happening here is that the Croke Parke screens will no longer go to an ad for a replay and it will be left up to anyone that can see it (including officials), to make their own of it.
It's a novel way of looking at it and probably won't hold up games. It will certainly add to the debate in the stadium on match day!!!
Interesting that the article does not directly quote the president about the screens specifically though.
Blanco
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25-Jul-2012 10:25
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Originally posted by theblack&amber:
And why not? If something is available and it helps referees make correct decisions regarding scores, fouls, cards etc. should it not be used?Fair play to O'Neill.
The thing is though if you do it for one team then it should be done for every team in Croke Park or where a big screen available.
Will we now have the chance of team managers now demanding that an incident be replayed on the big screen so as the ref can change his decision if the replay shows he is wrong.
Is it now GAA policy that it is at the refs discretion if he wants to use video replays?
blaaboy
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25-Jul-2012 10:31
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Maybe it is just my reading ability but Liam O'Neill's comments are more directed at technology in general and the proper use of the other official. I do not see him vindicating using the big screens and in my view he cannot.
If you were to use big screeens for replays you woudl have to install them in every ground where a championship match is played otherwise you woudl have one rule for Croker on one for everywhere else. OUtside of that camera angles can be inconclusive particularly when it comes to points wre balls are passing over the height of the goal posts.
Talk of goal line technology makes me laugh. GAA has an umpire on each post looking along a few yards of a line. If they bloody opened theirs eyes and done their job they would be as good as any technology. Be honest most of teh conentios goal line issues or teh last years would have been hard to miss even with really poor vision. Umpires have eyes and b//ls, they should use them.
And if referees were more inclined to admit their failings as human beings and encourge consultation and intervention by the other officials mistakes would be far fewer. There are seven pairs of offical eyes around the field and they shuld be used to their maximum.
jimmymahon
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25-Jul-2012 10:35
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Originally posted by Blanco:
The thing is though if you do it for one team then it should be done for every team in Croke Park or where a big screen available.
Will we now have the chance of team managers now demanding that an incident be replayed on the big screen so as the ref can change his decision if the replay shows he is wrong.
Is it now GAA policy that it is at the refs discretion if he wants to use video replays?
I would imagine that wherever a video replay is available and is happening anyway for a tv broadcast and where a ref happens to catch sight of that replay, he could allow that to influence him, by virtue of his interpretation of what he saw. I do not envisage a situation where the ref could do a Dunphy on it and say "hold it right there"
I would doubt that the managers will ever be given the right to demand a video replay in Croke Park or anywhere else. Were you actually being serious in making that point?
I would imagine that your 3rd point is pretty much correct (if the ref happens to catch an already-occurring replay, he could be influenced by it).
It's all guesswork at this stage of course as to what direction policy will take.....
N16
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25-Jul-2012 10:38
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I dont agree with this because the crowd will start roaring and what if it is a very tight decision?
I think the rugby method is a better alternative - have a few lads with a screen in the stand, speak to them via microphone and let them decide. And dont show the replay on the big screen - it will only cause more hardship in the long run if that route is followed.
Blanco
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25-Jul-2012 10:44
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
"I would doubt that the managers will ever be given the right to demand a video replay in Croke Park or anywhere else. Were you actually being serious in making that point?
Would the decision have been overturned last Sunday if Pat Gilroy was not jumping all over the linesman demanding he take action on what was been shown on the screen?
I think it is absolutely crazy and comical even that it is been suggested that if the ref just happens to catch something on the big screen then he can overturn the decision but no rule is set in place about it , would it be allowed to happen in any other code?
You either have a video replay rule or not , you can't have a situation where a ref is allowed to make it up on the day.
JohnneyCool
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25-Jul-2012 13:05
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
What I could see happening here is that the Croke Parke screens will no longer go to an ad for a replay and it will be left up to anyone that can see it (including officials), to make their own of it.It's a novel way of looking at it and probably won't hold up games. It will certainly add to the debate in the stadium on match day!!!Interesting that the article does not directly quote the president about the screens specifically though.
Nowhere in that article does O'Neill say hes in favour of officials using the big screen,,
Here's what he actually said;
Doing the right thing would never make me feel uncomfortable
You have to be brave enough to do the right thing and that is what we are here for. Everyone wants to see if someone gets a score that they are entitled to it. And if it's wide everyone wants to see it given wide.
"Maurice clearly had a better angle, he informed the referee and that informed the referee's decision. That was common sense in action, the right thing was done by the right people at the right time, and in time. We'd be very happy with it
The rest is obviously a reporter spinning it a bit to make a story for himself.
If the GAA were to go down that route then they'd need the fourth official to make the decision, not which crowd shouts the loudest when its shown on a big screen.
Hurling Expert
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25-Jul-2012 13:13
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The GAA president shouldn't be giving in to media campaigns like this.
Big screens and video evidence undermine our referees.
jimmymahon
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Originally posted by Blanco:
....you can't have a situation where a ref is allowed to make it up on the day.
So the ref's decision is not final then......
Who would you suggest should make the decision on the day?
Blanco
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Originally posted by jimmymahon:
So the ref's decision is not final then......Who would you suggest should make the decision on the day?
I am saying the ref should not be deciding on the rules on the day, it is the same if one ref decides one day that he does not like the square ball rule so he is not going to implement it.
It's the same as if a ref decides that he is going to review his decisions on the video while others say they won't. you just can't have that happening , this is an idea that looks like common sense in theory but will lead to chaos in practice.
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25-Jul-2012 14:52
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You can't have a situation where everything stops to review a score/incident, and then people start coming up with different conclusions.
Surely the simple thing would be, for AI series and onwards in Croke Park, to have a senior ref available to review relevant footage on the spot and then contact the match ref or fourth official immediately with any clarifications based on his viewing of the replay.
No. 22
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Originally posted by Hurling Expert:
The GAA president shouldn't be giving in to media campaigns like this.
Big screens and video evidence undermine our referees.
no they dont. they assist our referees. sometimes they assist the referees better than their own team of officials. high profile player flattens another player. linesman looking straight at it sees nothing. linesman in line for bigger things as a referee and does not want to p1ss off the high profile player or his county. no such problems with a tv screen
Tinmar
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31-Jul-2012 11:50
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Originally posted by Hurling Expert:
The GAA president shouldn't be giving in to media campaigns like this.
Big screens and video evidence undermine our referees.
The complete opposite is the case. If the ref is unsure of whether it was a score or not, he is forced into making a decision which everyone else can then examine on video replays. If he has made the wrong call and this decision turns out to be crucial, he will probably get loads of abuse and he will surely not be too happy himself. Another official watching video replays is surely something all referees would welcome.
UEFA & FIFA have been preventing the use of video replays in soccer for too long. Their two main reasons are, to me, the most brain dead arguments I've ever heard in any sport. One is that you can't bring in a facility at the top level of a sport because this facility will never be available at the lower levels. The other is that controversial decisions give rise to great arguments after the game and supporters would have nothing to talk about otherwise.
I find it incredible that a world organisation can still have such backward views. It would be to the GAA's credit if they were to show themselves to be a lot more forward thinking and proactive.
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