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Topic: Tyrone's McGuigan slams Kerry's O Sullivan and Cooper
Anyone but FF
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 01:34
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McGuigan spits fury at Kerry duo

By John Fogarty

Friday, July 27, 2012

Tyrone’s Brian McGuigan has sensationally claimed Declan O’Sullivan exaggerated an injury to get him sent off last Saturday.

The Ardboe man, a second-half sub last weekend, said his opponent "smiled and sniggered" after David Coldrick dismissed him and compared the Kerry forward’s action to Cristiano Ronaldo’s wink following Wayne Rooney’s sending off in the 2006 World Cup.

McGuigan was scathing in his criticism of O’Sullivan who he believes, along with Colm Cooper, looked down on Tyrone. He recalled how O’Sullivan refused to shake hands with him after Tyrone beat them in a league game in Omagh in 2010.

However, it was last Saturday’s events in Fitzgerald Stadium which agitated McGuigan most.

"The one thing that is going to stick with me is the sight of Declan O’Sullivan smiling and sniggering when he got me sent off," McGuigan wrote in his Gaelic Life column.

"I suppose it was a bit like when Cristiano Ronaldo had the wink when he got Wayne Rooney sent off at the World Cup. That image will never leave me. People might turn around and say I got Gregory McCartan sent off in an Ulster final [2003], but as I’ve said before, I never wanted to get him sent off. I regretted that he was. Declan O’Sullivan, however, I felt was more than happy to have got me the line."

McGuigan went on to suggest O’Sullivan and Cooper are arrogant.

"Two boys I have found who always had an opinion about themselves were Declan O’Sullivan and Colm Cooper. They always gave the impression they looked down on you. When we were on trips away with the All Stars, I got on like a house on fire with Tomás Ó Sé, for example. But not those two boys. That’s not sour grapes, because they’re class players. But there’s a way to go about things."

McGuigan even claimed O’Sullivan refused to shake his hand after Tyrone’s league win over Kerry two years ago. He also made reference to the Dromid Pearses man’s involvement in January’s ugly All-Ireland club JFC semi-final against Tyrone side Derrytresk.

"He was just pure ignorant. Fair enough, it was hard on them, the way they lost [to Colm Cavanagh’s late goal] but there’s still a way to conduct yourself.

"I think O’Sullivan and Gooch are from the same frame of mind as Pat Spillane, where they could never seem to accept that Tyrone could beat them... they didn’t like it when we came along and beat them not once but three times."

McGuigan qualified that there are "many great people in Kerry" and recalled Jack O’Connor wrote him a "get well" letter after his serious eye injury in 2007. He also praised Kerry supporters for the ovation they gave Mickey Harte last Saturday.



This appeared in the printed version of the Irish Examiner Friday, July 27, 2012
Anyone but FF
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 01:39
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Kerry players exaggerating and feigning injury. Shock horror.

Saying that iv no sympathy for McGuigan or his team mates, They went out to act the hard men last Sat night and got a footballing and physical lesson.
johnny
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 02:34
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I was as the game, and the way Declan Sullivan was able to recover from the 'assault' from Brian McGuigan speaks volumes about the man. Just minutes after McGuigan viciously bumped into him, he was able to run 40 yards to get in Stevie O'Neill's face and taunt him after a wide. Before that he had chased Stevie back towards goal while awaiting a free, mouthing and punching all the way.

Remember that when you next hear St Darragh's virtuous disappointment. Those Cork and Tyrone boys are very rough, you know?
KeepOnHurling
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 04:38
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I'd like to ask Brian why he felt the need to hit O'Sullivan in the back?
He had just won his free and Tyrone were chasing the game. Shouldn't he have gotten on with it?

What did he expect O'Sullivan to do? Had he not been watching the game, and seen that on any bit of contact the Kerry play will go down? (And I actually thought he gave O'Sullivan a fairly hefty belt, plus one he was unprepared for as his back was turned. Pretty cowardly really).

He's trying to draw attention from his act of stupidity.

Nobody cares how they all got on together during some All-Star trip away.
caidman
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 07:16
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this guy assaulted declan from behind with a cowardly thump , it was a stone walled straight red !! the amazing thing about this incident is that declan is been portrayed as the guilty party ..the above post by keeponhurling is correct , this really is a embarrasing article by mcguigan , he sounds like a spoiled kid that didnt get his ice cream.
if i was on a all star trip with this guy id avoid him as well , hardly sounds like a barrell of laughts !
tallaghtdub
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 08:06
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Hard to have any sympathy for Tyrome as on mass the majority of them have been employing the same tactics for the last 10 years or so.
Keanes Road
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 08:34
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What did McGuigan do with McCartan that got McCartan sent off?
rebelrising
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 08:34
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Originally posted by caidman:
this guy assaulted declan from behind with a cowardly thump , it was a stone walled straight red !! the amazing thing about this incident is that declan is been portrayed as the guilty party ..the above post by keeponhurling is correct , this really is a embarrasing article by mcguigan , he sounds like a spoiled kid that didnt get his ice cream.
if i was on a all star trip with this guy id avoid him as well , hardly sounds like a barrell of laughts !

Assaulted? he knocked him over with no more than a shoulder to the back. a yellow card for stupidity on McGuigan's behalf at most. O Sullivan milked it unlike the tyrone player who was assaulted by Curtin. he just got straight back up to his feet. Donaghy, O Sullivan and Cooper think they can argue and question every decision a ref makes and run 30/40 yards to make their views known. At least McGuigan had the guts as a player to say what was on his mind but we down in cork have known what they get up for years. aidan o mahony a few years ago another prime example.the only tyrone player comparable is mcmenamin who adopts similar skullduggery.

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cesar chavez
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 08:55
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Could never understand the cork crews obession with all things Kerry. Everything ye boys do or win revolves around Kerry.Ye won 3 leagues in a row.A massive feat by all accounts,but even after winning that, all ye could do was come on here & talk about Kerry in munster,thought ye might have kicked back and enjoyed yere win,same with the semi-final,yere the best team in munster,mabey the best ever.Hopefully we get past clare & meet ye in the quaters & hopefully we will at least give ye a game
theface2010
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 08:59
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Originally posted by KeepOnHurling:
I'd like to ask Brian why he felt the need to hit O'Sullivan in the back?

Because that's what GAA players do-I have no doubt that I will be slaughtered here as I have been before on the same subject but the minute long shouldering that is mandatory when you go onto your man before the game or as a sub is ridiculous-it says enough about the game that McGuigan is probably feeling hard done by that he got sent off for his cowardly shoulder charge into O'Sullivan's back as it is fairly par for the course in the game.

He is right about one thing though and that is the amount of diving, face holding and goading of opponents that went on last Saturday evening would embarrass a South America 11 v Portugal/Italy combo soccer team. In saying that, as soon as Tyrone went 4 or 5 points behind and they knew the game was up, they resorted to acting like thugs and the behaviour of the likes of Joe McMahon and Brian McGuigan left a fair bit to be desired-there is a huge difference between being hard and just being a filthy thug.

Hitch
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:07
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Originally posted by theface2010:
Because that's what GAA players do-I have no doubt that I will be slaughtered here as I have been before on the same subject but the minute long shouldering that is mandatory when you go onto your man before the game or as a sub is ridiculous-it says enough about the game that McGuigan is probably feeling hard done by that he got sent off for his cowardly shoulder charge into O'Sullivan's back as it is fairly par for the course in the game.He is right about one thing though and that is the amount of diving, face holding and goading of opponents that went on last Saturday evening would embarrass a South America 11 v Portugal/Italy combo soccer team. In saying that, as soon as Tyrone went 4 or 5 points behind and they knew the game was up, they resorted to acting like thugs and the behaviour of the likes of Joe McMahon and Brian McGuigan left a fair bit to be desired-there is a huge difference between being hard and just being a filthy thug.

Plus 1

You got it, Face!

That behaviour by Benny Coulter against the Donegal lad was despicable behaviour!

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Rollover
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:07
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sounds like he's a chip off the old block....
Collig
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:24
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by KeepOnHurling:
I'd like to ask Brian why he felt the need to hit O'Sullivan in the back?
He had just won his free and Tyrone were chasing the game. Shouldn't he have gotten on with it?What did he expect O'Sullivan to do? QUOTE]

It was very stupid of McGuigan to do what he did but it was deserving of no more than a yellow card. And asking what did he expect O'Sullivan to do - well maybe he didn't expect him roll around like he was shot but he possibly should have learned from seeing the Gooch clutching his face in the first half that it was going to happen.
theblack&amber
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:28
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Em, did anyone ask McGuigan why he hit him in the back right in front of the referee?

Whatever about O'Sullivan lying down, would he had the opportunity to lie down had McGuigan not hit him?

Sounds to me like someone refusing responsibility for their mistake and looking to blame others. And the kettle calling the pot black considering Tyrone's antics in the same game.
Club_Player
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:28
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Am I the only one who thought that Gormley should have been sent off during the first half last week. Already on a yellow, he bundles the Gooch out over the line with a head high challenge.
For nothing else, he should have got a second yellow for stupidity and isn't this the same player who came out of Oisin McConville's autobiography smelling of s**t.
KingDub
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:45
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Staandy for the great Kerry media PR machine to go into overdrive denouncing McGuigan and repainting the halo on O Sullivan's head. Newspaper columns from all the below will be used to discredit this upstart.

Paidi O Se
Daragh O Se
Pat Spillane
Eoin Liston
John O Keefe
Billy Keane
Jack O Shea


rebelrising
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 09:59
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Originally posted by KingDub:
Staandy for the great Kerry media PR machine to go into overdrive denouncing McGuigan and repainting the halo on O Sullivan's head. Newspaper columns from all the below will be used to discredit this upstart. Paidi O Se
Daragh O Se
Pat Spillane
Eoin Liston
John O Keefe
Billy Keane
Jack O Shea

Don't forget the Mikey Sheehy newspaper quote.
worried
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:00
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Isn't it fantastic to see all the jealousy coming out when Kerry win a game ,especially the rebels because now they know they are in for another drubbing in Croke Park if Kerry meet them,I was lucky to be in Killarney for the heavy weight contest ,It went as expected ,a mean ,mouthy,dirty game ,all the Gaelic Football came from Kerry ,There were no complaints from Tyrone over the years when they had the refs in their pockets ,12 yellows for Tyrone and 3 straight reds for the opposition,for the first time ever the ref left Kerry stand up to Tyrone and defend themselves against the thuggery ,fair play to the ref ,all Kerry ever wanted was a level playing field ,They are now throwing all their toys out of the pram because they know the game is up ,Still Tyrone and Kerry have 39 all ireland;s between them ,PS Tyrone have 3.
Heshs Umpire
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:01
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AI Final 2003. Philip Jordan, Diarmuid Marsden.
That ring a bell, Mr McGuigan?
Maybe it's called karma?
BlueBanner
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:23
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Very surprised that McGuigan felt compelled to say this. It was a very stupid thing he did after just coming on and Tyrone needing a clear head and a bit of cop on to prevail in the last 15 mins or so. Hitting someone from behind is a dirty foul and rightly deserves a red card - doing it right in front of both refs and linesman is pure stupid and mcGuigan has nothing to complain about. Tyrone rightly have cause to complain about Curtain not getting the line - another dirty tackle that deserved ref.
I also felt Gormley and McMahon repeatedly fouled and felt both were lucky to stay on the field.
I am sure that Declan O'Sullivan isnt too bothered about being compared to Christiano Ronaldo either !!!
And so what if they didnt get on while on tour - talk about childish whinging - expected more from the Tyrone camp
Ozzy
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:39
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Remember Oisin McConville's book where he mentioned being taunted by Tyrone players about his gambling problems. There's a way to go about things alright.
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rebelrising
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:42
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Originally posted by worried:
Isn't it fantastic to see all the jealousy coming out when Kerry win a game ,especially the rebels because now they know they are in for another drubbing in Croke Park if Kerry meet them,I was lucky to be in Killarney for the heavy weight contest ,It went as expected ,a mean ,mouthy,dirty game ,all the Gaelic Football came from Kerry ,There were no complaints from Tyrone over the years when they had the refs in their pockets ,12 yellows for Tyrone and 3 straight reds for the opposition,for the first time ever the ref left Kerry stand up to Tyrone and defend themselves against the thuggery ,fair play to the ref ,all Kerry ever wanted was a level playing field ,They are now throwing all their toys out of the pram because they know the game is up ,Still Tyrone and Kerry have 39 all ireland;s between them ,PS Tyrone have 3.

Heavyweight contest? Tyrone are a division 2 team and well past their best for at least 3 to 4 years.
JoNinety
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:43
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McGuigan hits O'Sullivan with a cowardly belt from behind and then gives out about getting a deserved red card? Well he's right when he says he deserves a red card for stupidity.
Strangely while he mentions the Down game by refuting claims that he tried to get McCartan sent off he never mentions how he exaggerated injury in 2009 to try and get Miskella sent off.

One part I found funny, was how when he had serious problems with an eye injury, Paul Galvin posted him up a signed Kerry jersey. Nice gesture and all, but I'm not sure would I like a rival county's jersey signed by a bitter rival coming in the letterbox if I had a serious injury!

Anyway, the whole article smacks of bitterness. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
JoNinety
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:46
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Originally posted by Ozzy:
Remember Steven McDonnell's book where he mentioned being taunted by Tyrone players about his gambling problems. There's a way to go about things alright.

Taunting someone about their gambling problems is bad but not half as bad as making completely unfounded and untrue accusations about someone having gambling problems!
(it was McConville who wrote the book)
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horsebox
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Posted: 27-Jul-2012 11:49
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To be fair i think everyone in Kerry thinks Curtin should have got sent off too. What a very bitter artical to write, TBH the paper in question was worse to print it.

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