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GAA managers and ex GAA presidents support for fugitives of the law who cost Ireland BILLIONS
ProjX
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30-Jul-2012 14:33
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These people belong in the Twilight Zone. Perhaps Sean Kelly, Mickey Harte and Peter Quinn can pay the debts of Sean Quinn and his family.
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ex-gaa-chief-praises-cavan-support-for-quinns-561184.html
Former GAA President Sean Kelly has praised the thousands of people who turned out in support of the Quinn family in Co. Cavan last night.
Fr Brian D'Arcy and well known GAA figures, including Mickey Harte and Colm O'Rourke, made speeches supporting the family.
Earlier this month, Sean Quinn Junior and his cousin Peter Darragh Quinn were sentenced to three months in jail for contempt of court.
However, only Sean Junior is serving his sentence, as Peter Darragh Quinn went on the run.
MEP Sean Kelly has said that the moral aspect of supporting the Quinns is completely separate to the multi-million euro court case the members of Ireland's once richest family now face.
Mr Kelly said: "In some respects it is admirable that people would say 'we feel strongly about an issue here', that is what freedom of expression is about.
"Obviously there are different views at local level about what is happening, they probably feel strongly about Anglo Irish Bank and so forth, so in that regard I can understand why they are doing it."
JackMurphy
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30-Jul-2012 16:22
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It's fine for Kernan, Micky Harte and Fr Brian Darcy to be out supporting Quinn - they are not paying his bank loans or an insurance levy.
Quinn gambled recklessly on Anglo Shares - he lost and now he wants to saddle the rest of us with the cost - he has tried to steal €500 M worth of property from the Irish Taxpayer - yet these clowns come out and march in support of Quinn - Sean Kelly and Colm O Rourke are imbeciles to lend their support to this kind of behaviour.
c
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30-Jul-2012 17:21
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Unbelievable stuff, now Seán Kelly and Jarlath Burns talking about the GAA family. Time for right thinking GAA members to dissociate themselves from this. Perpetuating a stereotype of GAA as being full of gombeenism, cronyism and ignorance.
stones_off
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30-Jul-2012 17:26
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Is there anything more annoying than people saying
"On bahalf of the people of Ireland, I would just like to say..._"
"On bahalf of the people of Wexford, I would just like to say..._"
"On bahalf of the all GAA people everywhere, I would just like to say..._"
Who gave you permission to speak on behalf of everybody else?
Rebel CNC
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30-Jul-2012 17:31
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Originally posted by c:
Unbelievable stuff, now Seán Kelly and Jarlath Burns talking about the GAA family. Time for right thinking GAA members to dissociate themselves from this. Perpetuating a stereotype of GAA as being full of gombeenism, cronyism and ignorance.
Anyone in Munster constituency of Sean Kelly, should write to him on sean.kelly@europarl.europa.eu and tell him to cop himself on.
Most members of the "GAA family" do not support this greedy chancer and his efforts to duck responsibility when his gamble went bad on him.
I believe Kelly is on twitter and Facebook as well for you youngsters up to date with such stuff.
tipptop
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30-Jul-2012 19:54
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All the GAA people involved in this have gone down in my estimati As for Quinn himself, pay you fcuking deb ts.
Turenne
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30-Jul-2012 20:12
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Another absolutely massive PR disaster for the GAA. Thanks lads.
ProjX
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30-Jul-2012 21:00
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Originally posted by Turenne:
Another absolutely massive PR disaster for the GAA. Thanks lads.
Sean Kelly has lost touch with reality. Living off massive salary and expenses can do that to a fella.
Peter Quinn and Mickey Harte are not even taxpayers in the republic of Ireland. Who do they think they are expecting us to pay for the likes of Quinn and his jailbird son and fugitive nephew?
Sean Kelly needs to be very careful taking sides against the Irish people.
JackMurphy
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30-Jul-2012 21:04
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Originally posted by c:
Unbelievable stuff, now Seán Kelly and Jarlath Burns talking about the GAA family. Time for right thinking GAA members to dissociate themselves from this. Perpetuating a stereotype of GAA as being full of gombeenism, cronyism and ignorance.
I had great time for Sean Kelly after his role in opening Croke Park to other sports. He's gone way down in my estimation after this gombeen clap-trap. Quinn provided a lots of jobs in his local area but with what he has screwed from the Irish Taxpayer - €3 Billion plus - The Government could pay treble dole to every man, woman and child in that area for the next 100 years.
Sean Kelly is an elected representative - he has effectively condoned Quinn's transfer of assets to defraud the Irish Taxpayer - He is a Euro MP - the same EU that's lending us the money to pay for Quinn's black-guarding.
All they were missing from the march was Michael Lowry.
loughcurraman
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30-Jul-2012 21:16
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I dont have a problem with it. If you have a good friend and neighbour who has been with you through thick and thin you dont just abandon him when he has his troubles. I fully accept everything that Judge Kelly said but even at that , if I was from Cavan or Fermanagh I can well imagine I'd be inclined to go to that rally last night. You can have solidarity with a person and all the good things theyve done in the past while at the same time condemning them for their criminal actions. Having said that, I suppose most if not all of those at the rally last night probably think he hasnt done a thing wrong.
ProjX
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30-Jul-2012 21:24
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Originally posted by loughcurraman:
I dont have a problem with it. If you have a good friend and neighbour who has been with you through thick and thin you dont just abandon him when he has his troubles. I fully accept everything that Judge Kelly said but even at that , if I was from Cavan or Fermanagh I can well imagine I'd be inclined to go to that rally last night. You can have solidarity with a person and all the good things theyve done in the past while at the same time condemning them for their criminal actions. Having said that, I suppose most if not all of those at the rally last night probably think he hasnt done a thing wrong.
Possibly a majority of those protesters pay their taxes to the queen.
They are also harbouring a fugitive of the Irish criminal justice system, Peter darragh Quinn.
JackMurphy
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30-Jul-2012 21:57
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Originally posted by loughcurraman:
I dont have a problem with it. If you have a good friend and neighbour who has been with you through thick and thin you dont just abandon him when he has his troubles. I fully accept everything that Judge Kelly said but even at that , if I was from Cavan or Fermanagh I can well imagine I'd be inclined to go to that rally last night. You can have solidarity with a person and all the good things theyve done in the past while at the same time condemning them for their criminal actions. Having said that, I suppose most if not all of those at the rally last night probably think he hasnt done a thing wrong.
You can't have it both ways. Our politicians have saddled us with the Bank Debt.
Quinn borrowed Billions - to speculate on Anglo Shares - he stood to make a fortune if they increased in value but the flip-side .............
Now he's refused to pay, with his family claiming they didn't understand what they were signing - The Irish Courts have held Quinn, his son and nephew to be in contempt of court as they transferred ownership of security assetts to 3rd parties - essentially to cheat on Ir Taxpayers.
The protesters are calling for the contempt orders to be lifted.
How can any right minded person support that - Quinn got a fair hearing - the court rejected his argument.
Give back the assets and relinquish all other assets to pay the debt and then lift the contempt order.
What do you you think would happen if you or I failed to repay our loans and then disposed of security assets to 3rd parties - we would go to jail until we handed over the security.
Is Sean Quinn above the law because he has created jobs - Harte, Kernan, Kelly, O Rourke & d'Arcy think he is - I don't
Duke of Wellington
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30-Jul-2012 22:26
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This is just unbelievable stuff altogether. There really is no hope for this little country with cúnts like these in positions of power.
After all that has transpired, an army of gombeens out in support of criminals and failed gamblers. Is it really the place of a priest to be shouting and roaring about things like this?
And all off the back of a lorry!
Turenne
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30-Jul-2012 22:32
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Originally posted by loughcurraman:
I dont have a problem with it. If you have a good friend and neighbour who has been with you through thick and thin you dont just abandon him when he has his troubles. I fully accept everything that Judge Kelly said but even at that , if I was from Cavan or Fermanagh I can well imagine I'd be inclined to go to that rally last night. You can have solidarity with a person and all the good things theyve done in the past while at the same time condemning them for their criminal actions. Having said that, I suppose most if not all of those at the rally last night probably think he hasnt done a thing wrong.
I agree, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with a load of high profile GAA persons -------ing all over the Irish justice system, the people of Ireland and the reputation of the GAA. Small minded morons the lot of them, hope Cavan never win another inter-county game.
ProjX
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30-Jul-2012 22:45
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Originally posted by Turenne:
I agree, there is nothing whatsoever wrong with a load of high profile GAA persons -------ing all over the Irish justice system, the people of Ireland and the reputation of the GAA. Small minded morons the lot of them, hope Cavan never win another inter-county game.
Maybe Caven should be handed over to the UK. They don't really like The people of the republic of Ireland or their laws.
Yojimbo
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30-Jul-2012 23:50
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Originally posted by ProjX:
MEP Sean Kelly has said that the moral aspect of supporting the Quinns is completely separate to the multi-million euro court case the members of Ireland's once richest family now face.Mr Kelly said: "In some respects it is admirable that people would say 'we feel strongly about an issue here', that is what freedom of expression is about."Obviously there are different views at local level about what is happening, they probably feel strongly about Anglo Irish Bank and so forth, so in that regard I can understand why they are doing it."
Sounds like Kelly is trying to have his cake and eat it too: not a very smart move by a man who perhaps became too much of a media darling, - on the likes of the Marian Finucane Show, and such.
In Colm O'Rourke's case its perhaps more a case of empathy, given his own high-profile difficulties.
Mickey Harte's would probably be the most genuine of all, given that he'd be largely of the same community
Banner1995
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31-Jul-2012 02:53
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It's fine for Kernan, Micky Harte and Fr Brian Darcy to be out supporting Quinn - they are not paying his bank loans or an insurance levy.
spot on jack murphy....this is where nordies play the 2 irelands game very well... The quinn family attitude in all this is beyond belief, such arrogance.
the GAA should disown this fiasco ASAP.
KeepOnHurling
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31-Jul-2012 08:50
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So the situation seems to be that Quinn owes the Irish State 2.2 billion.
But it is believed he has 500 million of assets which he is deliberately keeping out of the reach of the government, and due to this the two lads were jailed for obstructing the law.
According to the law the 500 million assets should be returned to the State, whereas the people at the rally seem to think Quinn is entitled to hang on to it.
The guys at the Ballyconnell demonstration seem to be there because they feel Quinn has done a lot for them and the area more than anything else.
(i.e. if Quinn had carried out all his business in say, Clare, Cavan/Fermanagh people wouldn't really give a damn what happens to him).
So two solutions
1) ....if there were 5,000 people at the rally as reported, why don't each of the demonstrators give 100,000 euro of their own money each, that comes to 500 million. They could make a deal with IBRC that Quinn can give the assets back, the son can be released, and the people at the rally can raise the 500 million which they feel Quinn deserves as a thank you for his support locally.
And the rest of the country don't have to take the hit for the 500 million.
Or...
2) If some of the Quinn supporters cannot afford to fund such a lifestyle provided by 500 million, the 5,000 people could pledge 100 euro each (not a huge amount, especially given how much Quinn has done for the area). That raises 500,000 euro for Quinn, which given that he says himself he prefers a very simple lifestyle, should be more than adequate.
He could return the assets to IBRC, and seeing as he was bankrupt in Northen Ireland, after 1 year his supporters could give him this 500,000 thank you gift, and he could live a relatively simple but happy retirement. (He is also fortunate that his wife is very wealthy, so he'll be fine).
stones_off
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31-Jul-2012 08:55
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Originally posted by Banner1995:
It's fine for Kernan, Micky Harte and Fr Brian Darcy to be out supporting Quinn - they are not paying his bank loans or an insurance levy.spot on jack murphy....this is where nordies play the 2 irelands game very well... The quinn family attitude in all this is beyond belief, such arrogance.the GAA should disown this fiasco ASAP.
The GAA should say nothing. What members of any sporting organisation do in their spare time is their own business.
Fine bit of Ash
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31-Jul-2012 09:23
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Sean Kelly is a disgrace.
Is this a GAA presidents secret society?
For what Quinn did in taking money from the Insurance company to buy shares in Anglo is reason enough for Kelly to show more cop on.
Sleekit
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31-Jul-2012 09:38
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Us in the Unionist Community have long looked on the GAA as the sporting arm of the IRA. And with good reason when you look at the ban on RUC members playing, the number of GAA clubs that were named after IRA terrorists and the number of convicted IRA terrorists that were GAA members.
When you see a GAA member, a fugitive from justice in the Irish Free State hiding behind the border it really confirms how the wider Republican movement has well and truly lost the argument.
theface2010
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31-Jul-2012 09:43
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In fairness to Quinn and his supporters, this type of thing would have been readily accepted in Ireland up until a year or two ago. The "ah shur you'd do it yourself if you got the chance" attitude of most Irish people, particularly the Failures, is only recently being questioned by the masses as we now want people to be accountable for their actions as oppossed to before where if a lad was generally sound, then he should be able to do whatever the fcuk he wants. I am sure there is a psychological reason for it relating to once being an ex-colony but hopefully it is something we are starting to lose.
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