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Topic: Jerry Kiernan
Hitch
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 19:04
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The best of all the Olympic analysts. Calls it as it is!
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 19:11
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Originally posted by Hitch:

The best of all the Olympic analysts. Calls it as it is!

Ya top man and not one of these lads who goes into the auld brill cream and preening stuff. A real mans man.
Hitch
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 19:14
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Is this a Bannerwoman leading in the heptathlon?

About a Bicycle
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 19:19
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Originally posted by Hitch:

The best of all the Olympic analysts. Calls it as it is!

Agreed. Some of the analysts in the minority sports are pretty good too - the slalom guy yesterday was good and the 2 sailing fellas today were too. The swimming analysts could be out of a job for the next Olympics, if the government have any sense.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 19:40
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Originally posted by Hitch:

The best of all the Olympic analysts. Calls it as it is!

"Nobody plays rugby!"

The Jedi
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 19:56
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Originally posted by Hitch:

The best of all the Olympic analysts. Calls it as it is!

Yes and often has very good tips. He is rarely wrong.
dodgy-keeper
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 22:51
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Jerry Kiernan is a top man. Was down at the Listowel races a couple of years back and bumped into him on one of the nights out. We'd a skinful of drink after a successful day on the nags but Jerry talked away to us for ages about athletics and Ireland's Olympic prospects. I don't think he drinks. A genuinely sound fella anyway.

That "Off the Ball" interview he did with Eoin McDevitt a while back was class. "Nobody in Ireland plays rugby." He assumed legendary status for me after that!
Yojimbo
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Posted: 03-Aug-2012 22:58
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Originally posted by dodgy-keeper:
Jerry Kiernan is a top man. Was down at the Listowel races a couple of years back and bumped into him on one of the nights out. We'd a skinful of drink after a successful day on the nags but Jerry talked away to us for ages about athletics and Ireland's Olympic prospects. I don't think he drinks. A genuinely sound fella anyway.That "Off the Ball" interview he did with Eoin McDevitt a while back was class. "Nobody in Ireland plays rugby." He assumed legendary status for me after that!

So I take it nobody mentioned that five-letter word in his presence, then?
cerebus
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 00:22
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Originally posted by dodgy-keeper:
Jerry Kiernan is a top man. Was down at the Listowel races a couple of years back and bumped into him on one of the nights out.

Another Lovely Listowel Legend, in fairness.

yankeelad
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 00:31
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Ya top man and not one of these lads who goes into the auld brill cream and preening stuff. A real mans man.
Hmmm.A real mans man ha.Is there something in the water down there in Leeside we should know about Rebel.

Anemone Ken
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 01:30
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Originally posted by About a Bicycle:

The swimming analysts could be out of a job for the next Olympics, if the government have any sense.

A bit of a sh1tty comment, this. Ok, the swimmers didn't fulfill potential, but they don't deserve smart ass comments like this. Remember people like Grainne Murphy moved away from most of her family and friends to improve. She did this when she was only a kid. Gets up most mornings at 5 (all year round, not for a few months of the summer like some GAA teams), trains 3 times a day most days of the year. Swimming is probably one of the hardest sports for the participants to achieve, and the people who are good enough to achieve the qualification standards do not deserve to be laughed at.

Banner1995
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 05:51
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well said. and i hope annalise murphy holds on for a medal in the sailing so she can ram it down the throats of clowns like ivan yates.
Sa Bhaile
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 06:51
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Originally posted by Anemone Ken:
A bit of a sh1tty comment, this. Ok, the swimmers didn't fulfill potential, but they don't deserve smart ass comments like this. Remember people like Grainne Murphy moved away from most of her family and friends to improve. She did this when she was only a kid. Gets up most mornings at 5 (all year round, not for a few months of the summer like some GAA teams), trains 3 times a day most days of the year. Swimming is probably one of the hardest sports for the participants to achieve, and the people who are good enough to achieve the qualification standards do not deserve to be laughed at.

Good post, Ken.

It gives me great satisfaction to see somebody like Fionnuala Britton out there in an Irish singlet in a final with the top top athletes in the world. OK, the vast majority of our athletes are going to come home with nothing - in the tangible sense of medals but to get there and have a small country like ours represented is a great achievement in any case. We owe them all our gratitude and support. May their heartbreaks be short and may they understand that the majority of Irish people are proud of their efforts on our behalf.

Unfortunately, you will always have the keyboard warriors who could never kick a ball out of their way themselves but who are first in to criticise our athletes while waiting to join in in the mindless mania that is the English Premiership 'support' base here in Ireland. If they had brains they'd be dangerous - and that includes a good few RTÉ presenters who seem to revel in the colonisation process.
This message has been edited - 04-aug-2012 @ 06:54
zafonic_10
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 09:02
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Originally posted by Banner1995:
well said. and i hope annalise murphy holds on for a medal in the sailing so she can ram it down the throats of clowns like ivan yates.

Yeah Hopefully Annalise can get a medal.

What did Ivan Yates say?
rebelrebel30
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 10:45
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Originally posted by Anemone Ken:
A bit of a sh1tty comment, this. Ok, the swimmers didn't fulfill potential, but they don't deserve smart ass comments like this. Remember people like Grainne Murphy moved away from most of her family and friends to improve. She did this when she was only a kid. Gets up most mornings at 5 (all year round, not for a few months of the summer like some GAA teams), trains 3 times a day most days of the year. Swimming is probably one of the hardest sports for the participants to achieve, and the people who are good enough to achieve the qualification standards do not deserve to be laughed at.

Well said Ken. She swims 80000 metres a week..some going.

If anyone should be shamed its the likes of Hickey who has presided over failures since 1989, a controversial figure in Irish Olympic sport
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farmerjohn
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 11:36
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The above is typical Irish, you can bet your ass that the Aussie public wont be saying "bad luck boys, maybe next time" to their swimmers who have underperformed in London.

The simple fact is that one Irish pb has been broken in the pool if I can recall correctly. When are people going to say thats not good enough. I am not looking for world records or medals, I am expecting though that something that they have trained for 4 years and have had supposedly had better then ever support for them. The least we should have expected is PB's in a proven fast pool that plenty of world records have been broken

The swimming high performance director then is quoted

“Looking at where the results are, what made the top 16 and what made top eight, we certainly had the atheltes who could have done those things. But unfortunately, whether you want to put it down to luck or just where we are at the moment it just didn’t hit it right on the week. It’s disappointing, especially when you know you have the athletes that can get there.

“And I’m sorry we didn’t make it work but I think we’ve learned a lot and looking at how we plan the next four years is going to helps us look to the future and help the young swimmers coming up and obviously the ones that are here at the moment it’ll helps those in the future as well.

He should be sacked in my opinion, the above is nothing but waffle but he wont be - why is it only the boxers that perform to their ability. Fair play to Billy Walsh and his team
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kilkennycat2004
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 11:43
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Britain just one another gold their in rowing mens fours probably due to the influence of Steve Redgrave.

We had top rowers (Sean Drea) & cyclists ( Sean Kelly & Stephen Roche )but no follow up at all & in both of these sports facilities are available.

The state of Irish swimming with a 50 metre pool no longer an issue is shocking, seems to be a massive waste of tax-payers money.

Focus surely should be put on field events like hammer & discus where many moons ago Ireland stood tall in these events.
Blanco
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 12:13
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Originally posted by farmerjohn:
The swimming high performance director then is quoted“Looking at where the results are, what made the top 16 and what made top eight, we certainly had the atheltes who could have done those things. But unfortunately, whether you want to put it down to luck or just where we are at the moment it just didn’t hit it right on the week. It’s disappointing, especially when you know you have the athletes that can get there.“And I’m sorry we didn’t make it work but I think we’ve learned a lot and looking at how we plan the next four years

It is not just in the poor were we are under-performing in big events but our Athletes also have a tendency to massively under-perform in the major tournaments, I mentioned this in another thread the other night about how often how Athletes put in their seasons worst at just the wrong time.

Nobody is expecting a haul of medals from such a small country but why can't our athletes peak at these events , at the European championships a few weeks ago after the men's and women's relay races both teams went disastrously and then both teams came on afterwards in TV interviews talking about how happy they were nonetheless to be there and how this would bring them on etc, the panel back in the studio rightly tore strips off of them and said it was not good enough and bordered on embarrassing for the country the times that they put in, an could not understand how they could be happy with the performance.

Hopefully this Olympics will change things but it is not off to a good start , we have seen the swimmers already , this moring our women in the triathlon who is ranked 7th in the world finished 43rd or something like that, she had a bit of fall off the bike but she was well out of it before that anyway after a very disappointing swim.

I did not see Fionnuala Britton's race last night but one of the papers today said it was humiliating for her so was so poor , I did see her give an interview afterwards and she did look and sound devastated and shocked at her own performance.

I am not not trying to put these Athletes down I know the sacrifices and work they put in but I am trying to figure out why they are consistently under-performing to their own standards at the major events , Do out Athletes play to the Occasion and the trappings too much much rather than complete focus on their own tasks , we often hear advise on AI final day such as Play the game in hand not the Occasion.

Nicky English always talked about some players getting wrapped up in the occasion on a big final day and too busy sampling the big day atmosphere and before they realise it , it is all over and has passed them by.

I assume we do employ a sports physiologist in Team Ireland, I would have been skeptical of these in the past but after seen so many top Golfers , boxers even GAA players etc swear by them to get that extra 1 to 2% performance on the day, I think they must have some merit.





Cusack Park
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 12:29
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Originally posted by kilkennycat2004:
Britain just one another gold their in rowing mens fours probably due to the influence of Steve Redgrave.We had top rowers (Sean Drea) & cyclists ( Sean Kelly & Stephen Roche )but no follow up at all & in both of these sports facilities are available.The state of Irish swimming with a 50 metre pool no longer an issue is shocking, seems to be a massive waste of tax-payers money.Focus surely should be put on field events like hammer & discus where many moons ago Ireland stood tall in these events.
the Brits are pumping money into those sports as they identified them as sports where they could achieve success about 6 years ago

rebelrebel30
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 13:41
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Originally posted by Blanco:
It is not just in the poor were we are under-performing in big events but our Athletes also have a tendency to massively under-perform in the major tournaments, I mentioned this in another thread the other night about how often how Athletes put in their seasons worst at just the wrong time.Nobody is expecting a haul of medals from such a small country but why can't our athletes peak at these events , at the European championships a few weeks ago after the men's and women's relay races both teams went disastrously and then both teams came on afterwards in TV interviews talking about how happy they were nonetheless to be there and how this would bring them on etc, the panel back in the studio rightly tore strips off of them and said it was not good enough and bordered on embarrassing for the country the times that they put in, an could not understand how they could be happy with the performance.Hopefully this Olympics will change things but it is not off to a good start , we have seen the swimmers already , this moring our women in the triathlon who is ranked 7th in the world finished 43rd or something like that, she had a bit of fall off the bike but she was well out of it before that anyway after a very disappointing swim.I did not see Fionnuala Britton's race last night but one of the papers today said it was humiliating for her so was so poor , I did see her give an interview afterwards and she did look and sound devastated and shocked at her own performance.I am not not trying to put these Athletes down I know the sacrifices and work they put in but I am trying to figure out why they are consistently under-performing to their own standards at the major events , Do out Athletes play to the Occasion and the trappings too much much rather than complete focus on their own tasks , we often hear advise on AI final day such as Play the game in hand not the Occasion.Nicky English always talked about some players getting wrapped up in the occasion on a big final day and too busy sampling the big day atmosphere and before they realise it , it is all over and has passed them by.I assume we do employ a sports physiologist in Team Ireland, I would have been skeptical of these in the past but after seen so many top Golfers , boxers even GAA players etc swear by them to get that extra 1 to 2% performance on the day, I think they must have some merit.

Im not going to slag off any of our athetles as anyone who wears the green of ireland will always have my support but i do have to quesion how so so many seem to having their worst performances of their careers. Is it a co-incidence and i know some have been sick like Grainne..but we had her, melanie knocker, Ciaran O Lionaird for example all sick or essentially not in tipp topp shape heading to the most important event of their careers,then there are others who have not even got anywhere near their personal best or what they are capable of.

I would call on the Irish perforamce team directors and Olympics Ireland to have a radical overhaul of how we prepare and condition our atheltes, Its the same every games, ok we get the odd medal but for sheer consisentcy too many seem to leave their best behind and maybe we need outside help from coaches of countries who have a track record.

Im not sure about the sports council and the rest. Before the games all i saw and heard from Pat Hickey how this was the best prepared Irish team in history ( where have i heard that before?) and yet its looking poor other than the boxers who seem to have the right performance people there, they have a georgian fella who is top class involved.

Heads in the higher echelons need to be accountable for this.

Id rather people like Sonia ( chef de mission etc) would rather tell us before the games " actually Grainnes sick and might not do well etc) rather than talking as she was before teh games " ah everyones grand etc"..and leading us up the garden path.
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rebelrebel30
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 13:45
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Originally posted by farmerjohn:
The above is typical Irish, you can bet your ass that the Aussie public wont be saying "bad luck boys, maybe next time" to their swimmers who have underperformed in London.The simple fact is that one Irish pb has been broken in the pool if I can recall correctly. When are people going to say thats not good enough. I am not looking for world records or medals, I am expecting though that something that they have trained for 4 years and have had supposedly had better then ever support for them. The least we should have expected is PB's in a proven fast pool that plenty of world records have been brokenThe swimming high performance director then is quoted“Looking at where the results are, what made the top 16 and what made top eight, we certainly had the atheltes who could have done those things. But unfortunately, whether you want to put it dow
n to luck or just where we are at the moment it just didn’t hit it right on the week. It’s disappointing, especially when you know you have the athletes that can get there.“And I’m sorry we didn’t make it work but I think we’ve learned a lot and looking at how we plan the next four years is going to helps us look to the future and help the young swimmers coming up and obviously the ones that are here at the moment it’ll helps those in the future as well.He should be sacked in my opinion, the above is nothing but waffle but he wont be - why is it only the boxers that perform to their ability. Fair play to Billy Walsh and his team

The great Irish Olympics Council and Irish team performance Directors cop out..every bloody games....

" I think weve learned a lot and looking at how we plan the next four years"...jesus wept..im sick and tired of this s**te.....
cerebus
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 13:50
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Before the games all i saw and heard.. was the best prepared ... team in history ( where have i heard that before?)

Cough, cough.

rebelrebel30
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 13:53
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Originally posted by cerebus:
Cough, cough.

Kerry 1982?..........
cerebus
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 14:01
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Originally posted by rebelrebel30:
Kerry 1982?..........

In fairness that was the worst prepared Kerry team ever..t the happiest and cleanest bunch of fellas ever to come out of the Kingdom... they spent their sessions chatting around in circles and watching the latest front loading TV of the time, apparently.

They forgot what they were good at....fighting in the camp, carrying injuries and yerra bringin Sam home...again.

kilkennycat2005
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Posted: 04-Aug-2012 16:15
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Originally posted by Cusack Park:
the Brits are pumping money into those sports as they identified them as sports where they could achieve success about 6 years ago

Our athletes seem to have settled for just getting to the games since major funding came in fifteen years ago.

By way of example when Michelle Smith won her three swimming gold medals in Atlanta 1996, Britain collectively won a single gold medal. Look at them last time (19 golds in Beijing) & now.
The previous games Michael Carruth won the boxing gold in Barcelona 1992 & since then funding has improved massively & only boxing has showed us to be a proper sporting nation.


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