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Topic: Selection criteria for under age teams to play at Croke Park.
kennyd
(96 Posts)
Posted: 05-Aug-2012 20:32
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Folks I'd appreciate a few thoughts on this issue. To avoid any hassle I won't disclose the club or indeed the county.
The u10s were picked to play at half time in one of the games at Croke Park over the week-end. Only 11 players could play so I thought the logical thing to do would be to put all the names into a hat and draw out the 11. However the manager of the team decreed that the 9 oldest players had to go leaving only 2 available places to fill (by the draw). Is this normal practice ?
It appeared a bit unfair to me !
cityoftribes
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Posted: 05-Aug-2012 20:41
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Originally posted by kennyd:
Folks I'd appreciate a few thoughts on this issue. To avoid any hassle I won't disclose the club or indeed the county.
The u10s were picked to play at half time in one of the games at Croke Park over the week-end. Only 11 players could play so I thought the logical thing to do would be to put all the names into a hat and draw out the 11. However the manager of the team decreed that the 9 oldest players had to go leaving only 2 available places to fill (by the draw). Is this normal practice ?
It appeared a bit unfair to me !

It is unfair. The way you suggest seems the fairest. Does he have anyone involved that stands to benefit from his own method?

kennyd
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Posted: 05-Aug-2012 22:21
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
It is unfair. The way you suggest seems the fairest. Does he have anyone involved that stands to benefit from his own method?

Funny that you should ask that COT but yes, a child of the manager was in the older category.
Taxi Driver
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Posted: 05-Aug-2012 22:24
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Originally posted by kennyd:
Funny that you should ask that COT but yes, a child of the manager was in the older category.

Was he the ninth eldest by any chance?? Why stop at nine?

kennyd
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Posted: 05-Aug-2012 23:12
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Originally posted by Taxi Driver:
Was he the ninth eldest by any chance?? Why stop at nine?

TD the 9 were from one year with the remainder from the following year.
eastgael
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 00:15
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Your manager made the correct decision,those of the age ,last year u10,get priority.Those u9,will get priority next year.For example,leaving a 10yr old at home,and bringing an 8yr or 9yr old instead is only asking for hassle.
theskull1
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 07:33
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Correct eastgael. Those immediately looking to nial the mentor simply because he has a son in that group is a fairly typical armchair response
Long ball
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 09:20
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I think picking the nine kids up to the age is the correct decision. For years in the GAA we favoured the "good" young underage player to the detriment of his and olderplayers' development. The Go Games movement has brought the focus back on appropriate progression for players.
staycalm
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 09:28
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Originally posted by kennyd:
Funny that you should ask that COT but yes, a child of the manager was in the older category.

And was a child of yours in the younger category by any chance?
This message has been edited - 06-aug-2012 @ 09:28
cityoftribes
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 09:32
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Originally posted by eastgael:
Your manager made the correct decision,those of the age ,last year u10,get priority.Those u9,will get priority next year.For example,leaving a 10yr old at home,and bringing an 8yr or 9yr old instead is only asking for hassle.

But my understanding is that this is a one off and there won't necessarily be a 'next year'. You might clarify that Kenny?

An Carta Bui
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 09:47
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Originally posted by kennyd:
Funny that you should ask that COT but yes, a child of the manager was in the older category.

Or was the blonde sjngle mothers kid in the older group
An Carta Bui
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 09:47
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Originally posted by kennyd:
Funny that you should ask that COT but yes, a child of the manager was in the older category.

Or was the blonde sjngle mothers kid in the older group
JohnneyCool
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 10:01
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Originally posted by kennyd:
Folks I'd appreciate a few thoughts on this issue. To avoid any hassle I won't disclose the club or indeed the county.
The u10s were picked to play at half time in one of the games at Croke Park over the week-end. Only 11 players could play so I thought the logical thing to do would be to put all the names into a hat and draw out the 11. However the manager of the team decreed that the 9 oldest players had to go leaving only 2 available places to fill (by the draw). Is this normal practice ?
It appeared a bit unfair to me !

If its a one off event and unlikely to be repeated next year I'd go with who's attended the most games and training if there's enough data available for that to be accurate, otherwise a draw with everyones name in a hat..
Taxi Driver
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 10:48
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Originally posted by JohnneyCool:
If its a one off event and unlikely to be repeated next year I'd go with who's attended the most games and training if there's enough data available for that to be accurate, otherwise a draw with everyones name in a hat..

Who would you put into the hat? U7s? U8s? U9s?

This case wasn't presented very well in the OP. It was said the decision was to allow the nine oldest to go and have a draw for everyone else. In fact the decision was to allow all full U10s to go and have a draw for everyone else. It was an U10 exhibition game so I'm not sure why sending all the U10s is an issue.

paddybarry
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 11:04
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Hey,
Are you involved in the coaching of underage teams yourself?

The manager did nothing wrong here.

Even if he did take his own lad unfairly, I dont think many would complain considering the amount of time he devotes volunterily.
Hurling Veteran
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 11:09
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It might be the only chance the club get. In that case there is no need to put a limit on it. Take everyone and send on subs every couple of minutes to give everyone a game.

JohnneyCool
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 11:22
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Originally posted by Taxi Driver:
Who would you put into the hat? U7s? U8s? U9s?This case wasn't presented very well in the OP. It was said the decision was to allow the nine oldest to go and have a draw for everyone else. In fact the decision was to allow all full U10s to go and have a draw for everyone else. It was an U10 exhibition game so I'm not sure why sending all the U10s is an issue.

Well they've 9 U-10's so I presume the rest were U-9's but you might be right.

I'd just make sure that the youngsters who put in the most effort throughout the year were rewarded and not some youngster who misses as much as he's there and gets going solely because he's 10.

spot_the_dog
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 12:39
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Originally posted by paddybarry:
Even if he did take his own lad unfairly, I dont think many would complain considering the amount of time he devotes volunterily.

More likely that they'll complain long and vociferously! Whatever way you do it. There's nothing like the half time gig at a County match to get the drop and run parents taking a sudden, brief, interest in their kid's team. True story: once had my one and only communication with the father of an U12 (and I'd had them since U8) when he expressed a strongly held view that the kids to be selected for Croke Park should be those that don't show up often because it would encourage them.

eastgael
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Posted: 06-Aug-2012 17:05
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Again,the manager is 100% correct to bring the players of the age.By the time those players who miss out this year reach u16 they'll have had other opportunities at other events that this years 10s might miss out on . Thats life.We are more than half way through the season,any johnny,or mary come latelys can be told ,not this time,thats the managers call.Having spent the last several years dealing with parents,you must set your stall out from day 1,and stick to it.Parents are great but theres always One!!!
kennyd
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Posted: 07-Aug-2012 08:00
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Thanks for all the posts folks - I appreciate it.To answer a few of the questions raised :
no child of mine was involved in this group and,as it's a one off there's no guarantee that the younger kids will get a chance in subsequent years.

The attendance at training/matches was considered but dismissed on the grounds that a few players were injured earlier in the season.

Yes I am involved in coaching under age teams and have been for years although what difference that makes I don't know.

Finally my mate's other half spent as much time coaching this particular group as anyone and yes she has a child in the younger group. End result ? - the club is about to lose a terrific person all due to this episode.
staycalm
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Posted: 07-Aug-2012 08:23
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U10 players missing training because of injury??

I cant ever remember missing training at that age through injury. Or any other young fella missing through injury for that matter. What injury can a 10 year old have bar the odd broken bone but over the course of a year they would be rare enough. Or is it that some kids now think they have injuries that we didnt even know existed when we were that age?
Muilleann
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Posted: 07-Aug-2012 10:19
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These once off events ultimately cause nothing but grief.

We have Munster Council U12 Blitz coming up soon and only 22 players are allowed go whereas we'd have more than that at U12 in our club.

I don't even want to think about it!

P.S.I think the manager in this case made only decision he could but,as all of us involved in under age know only too well from bitter experience,you can't please everyone!

cerebus
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Posted: 07-Aug-2012 10:22
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Originally posted by kennyd:
... yes she has a child in the younger group. End result ? - the club is about to lose a terrific person all due to this episode.

The scourge of underage coaching in Ireland parents coaching their own children all the way up along the age groups.
Could they not think of the (other) children.

Muilleann
(61 Posts)
Posted: 07-Aug-2012 11:25
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Originally posted by cerebus:
The scourge of underage coaching in Ireland parents coaching their own children all the way up along the age groups.
Could they not think of the (other) children.

I agree totally with you in principle and it's a much better system where one coach (or two if you're lucky) takes a particular age group every year rather than 2/3 kids' parents following them and their fellow players all the way up.

Problem is that while a lot of parents will whinge about coaches following their kids up along the age groups not one of them will lift a hand themselves to help out.

Saw our Club lose a county U21 semifinal 'cos same 3 coaches had stayed with their young fellows all the way up and two of their young fellows should'nt have been selected or even kept on the pitch after the damage was done!

I'll finish with my young fellow when he's 12 'cos we'll both be sick of each other by then (and I presume his buddies will be sick of me too!) but I know that the other parent coaches will stay on but that's their choice.

A very good point Cerebus but hard one to deal with in practice.

This message has been edited - 07-aug-2012 @ 11:46
Muilleann
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Posted: 07-Aug-2012 12:22
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Originally posted by staycalm:
U10 players missing training because of injury??I cant ever remember missing training at that age through injury. Or any other young fella missing through injury for that matter. What injury can a 10 year old have bar the odd broken bone but over the course of a year they would be rare enough. Or is it that some kids now think they have injuries that we didnt even know existed when we were that age?

They are getting injured 'cos they're training and playing much more than we did and 'cos they're playing other sports as well.


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