Originally posted by glasandbán:
Surely has to be. Tipp have gone a mile backward since he came in, sideline just looked clueless in the second half.

Originally posted by glasandbán:
Surely has to be. Tipp have gone a mile backward since he came in, sideline just looked clueless in the second half.

Originally posted by Anemone Ken:
He'll surely go after today, very hard to take such a beating with a bunch of players like he inherited. Some of the substitutions that have been made in the big matches raise huge questions about what was the thinking on the sideline? How could they have looked at the match today and take off Buggy O'Meara first, it was almost as if the plan before hand was to make this switch, and then they went ahead with it. Last year in the AIF, John O' Brien was one of our best players but was subbed. Can't understand what they were at with Lar, ok, maybe the plan was to try to force KK to mark the players that Tipp wanted them to mark, rather than the other way around. But surely, when KK didn't co-operate, the sideline should have been prepared. If 4 players are standing right beside each other, then there is huge space somewhere else! Why was that space not exploited with a plan to counter the Kilkenny plans. The humiliation that happened in the second half might have been unstoppable, but in a situation like this match, a combination of small things can add up to huge changes in a match.

Originally posted by Yojimbo:
Declan is a decent, honest, and fair-minded man who was also a great player.
The blame for today's humiliation shouldn't be laid entirely at his feet, or to his misguided tactics: too many players that he would have entitled to depend on failed to compete.
But, ultimately, he's the man who makes the calls, is primarily responsible for tactics, team selection,and substitutions, and he's got it badly wrong in the two games that mattered, in both 2011, and 2012.It could well be the case that nobody can cure this apparent Tipperary disease, which might be part of the DNA, which has made far too many players, good, bad, and indifferent, feel entitled to All-Ireland.
But if there's one man who just knock that nonsense out of them, it could be Liam Sheedy

Originally posted by Anemone Ken:
Not sure where you've come across the players that you feel have the disease that you talk about. I would have spoken to several of the players over the years, and while they would have a confidence about themselves, I am sure that I have never encountered the "entitled" nonsense that you talk about. I would think the the most sensible word that you did use above was "nonsense", because this nonsense has been thrown about for years against Tipp since the late John Doyle made his ill advised comment on Up for the Match, in the late eighties. It wasn't any sense of entitlement that cost us the humiliation of today, it was that KK played up to form and Tipp were not at the level that we were in 09 & 10. Management is a big issue that's going to have to be addressed. We need people who can plan ahead with good plans, but who can also make changes to their plans if required.

Originally posted by TippTed:
In fairness to Declan, Tipp won a soft all Ireland in 2010 when Kilkenny were devestated with injuries. Sheedy recognised this and left quickly because there was no way that Tipp team would win another All Ireland.Declan is a great man.

Originally posted by Blanco:
I have not read his column today but someone told me he has called on the Tipp county board to extend Ryans term and give him more time to deliver and not listen to knee jerk reation of supporters, and I hear he has amazingly used yesterdays defeat to have another swipe at Sheedy , whatever happened with him and Sheedy he really cannot let go. He also said he will never go to another Tipp hurling match again along as Lar Corbett is involved with Tipp , surely even Babs will have to admit that Lar was doing what he was told to do, But he is some man to hold a grudge and kick you when you are down.

Originally posted by Blanco:
I have not read his column today but someone told me he has called on the Tipp county board to extend Ryans term and give him more time to deliver and not listen to knee jerk reation of supporters, and I hear he has amazingly used yesterdays defeat to have another swipe at Sheedy , whatever happened with him and Sheedy he really cannot let go. He also said he will never go to another Tipp hurling match again along as Lar Corbett is involved with Tipp , surely even Babs will have to admit that Lar was doing what he was told to do, But he is some man to hold a grudge and kick you when you are down.

Originally posted by Rush:
What paper does Babs write for?

Originally posted by KeepOnHurling:
Declan won the Munster championship in both years where he was Tipp coach, winning the first final by a seven goal margin, and beating Limerick, Cork (in Cork) and Waterford on route this year.They lost the All-Ireland last year by a few points, and went into yesterday's match as favourites, and led at half time.So while yesterday didn't go right, I wouldn't disregard his entire tenure based on one half of hurling.

Originally posted by robbied:
They were poxed to lead at half time yesterday with Kilkenny the better side

Originally posted by Yojimbo:

I wouldn't disagree with you, there, even though we had the greater wides tally

Originally posted by robbied:
Agreed, but we had to shoot under serious pressure. Our goal was a fluke. Kilkenny missed/great save for a goal also. Kilkenny seemed to be getting their scores very easily (Reid and Power catching puckouts and scoring).But I did think we had a serious chance at half time, that Kilkenny had the wind taken out of their sails having done most of the hurling and with us having only really hurled for last 5/10 minutes of the half. Was sure we would push on in the second half and then we had our so-called Rolls Royce bench to bring in also.
How wrong can ya be .... :-(

Originally posted by TippTed:
In fairness to Declan, Tipp won a soft all Ireland in 2010 when Kilkenny were devestated with injuries. Sheedy recognised this and left quickly because there was no way that Tipp team would win another All Ireland.Declan is a great man.