Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
would have hoped to see Westmeath and Carlow up at this level by now. Isn't there another Under 14 competition run for the 'weaker' counties (I hate that term). They will always remain weaker while they are not allowed play the big counties

Originally posted by Turenne:
Clare will presumably win this, considering how exceptional they are in underage hurling.

Originally posted by I Ron Butterfly:
Limerick have a tough group! Do you know much about them SLR, your usually up to speed on the underage teams?

Originally posted by 1st Time:
Cork did a clean sweep on this last year. After they do the same this year, talk will turn to the great Cork prospects that will win All Irelands in 2020.

Originally posted by Long ball:
Someone told me recently that the Forrestal winning team has never won the minor all-Ireland four years later. Does anybody here know if this is true? Or how do Forrestal winning teams fare in the U-21 championship 7 years later?It would be interesting to see if Forrestal success is a predictor of success later at minor and U-21 level. If it's not, then maybe counties need to re-examine the approach they currently take to it.

Originally posted by Turenne:
Clare will presumably win this, considering how exceptional they are in underage hurling.

Originally posted by dubliner 2:
I'm not sure if it means anything but certainly in Dublin it is a rarity for a team that wins the Feile for example to win the minor championship four years later. Even teams that have won All Ireland Feile titles have fallen by the wayside with staggering regularity in the four years between U/14 and minor. Here's a list.2000 All Ireland Feile - Vincents 2004 Minor - Round Towers
2001 All Ireland Feile - Brigids 2005 Minor - Crokes
2003 All Ireland Feile - Crokes 2007 Minor - Brigids
2004 All Ireland R/U - Crokes 2008 Minor - Na Fianna
2005 All Ireland Feile - Sylvesters 2009 Minor - Na Fianna
2007 All Ireland R/U - Raheny 2011 Minor - CastleknockSo in other words none of the Dublin clubs that won or came second in the All Ireland Feile four years prior to their minor year even won Dublin at minor. And in many cases if memory serves they didn't even make the final.The 2005 Crokes team that won the All Ireland Hurling Feile did win minor in 2009 but the Castleknock team of 07 did not win in 2011.So of seven Dublin teams to reach Feile finals between 2000 and 2007 only one has gone on to success at minor.Which I think is proof that U/14 means nothing. Indeed this year's Dublin U/21's got to the final of the Nenagh tournament as U/16's only to be beaten at minor by Wexford and Laois and again by Laois at U/21 this year so you could argue that even U/16 isn't a good guide to minor two years later.

Originally posted by Dench:

Didnt Castleknock win the All-Ireland Feile in 2007

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Originally posted by pegasusIII:
im open to correction but i dont think our tony forristel record is anything to write home about!

Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
would have hoped to see Westmeath and Carlow up at this level by now. Isn't there another Under 14 competition run for the 'weaker' counties (I hate that term). They will always remain weaker while they are not allowed play the big counties

Originally posted by Long ball:
Someone told me recently that the Forrestal winning team has never won the minor all-Ireland four years later. Does anybody here know if this is true? Or how do Forrestal winning teams fare in the U-21 championship 7 years later?It would be interesting to see if Forrestal success is a predictor of success later at minor and U-21 level. If it's not, then maybe counties need to re-examine the approach they currently take to it.