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Topic: Limerick GAA is in serious trouble
The Serb
(110 Posts)
Posted: 25-Aug-2012 21:15
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103 walkovers have been given in Limerick Bord na Nog already this year. What the hell is going on? Its a rarity to see a parish playing on its own in minor or u21 at this stage and the amount of walkovers given at junior football and hurling is also unacceptable. Where is this all going to end? The junior A football and hurling championships are farcical. The junior A football championship has killed Junior A football in the city. Only one or two teams involved in the city. How the hell are players expected to keep training for that crap? 11 teams in the west Junior A hurling. 4 each in the east and south. How is this fair and balanced? The west Junior hurling is a 3 tier championship with Adare and Killeedy junior b teams and Glantine, Rathkeale, Croagh, Drom and Askeaton just above them and Feenagh,Feohanagh, Monagea, Tour and St Kierans leading the way. This so called great championship is a joke! The West Board chairman will do everything to keep it because he knows that if he loses it he will have no more power. This same man berated the Emmets team at a recent county board meeting but his great Western Gaels team with all their preparation and dinners were beaten well by an Emmets team who only came together on the day!
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watchthehop
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Posted: 25-Aug-2012 23:15
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I would not know much about whats going on in Limerick but I would say it is the same in a lot of counties.
Shannonside
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 01:25
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Sure at minor level in Limerick when you think about it there's only Adare, Na Piarsaigh, Patrickswell, Bruff, Ballybrown, Mungret and Doon that are single club teams. 7 teams..all the others are amalgamations.
cowpat
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 02:08
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Were Crecora part of Mungret GAA at one stage?
afunchofbucks
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 09:09
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crecora players did play with mungret for years at underage level- up to u21 at one stage i think- but that hasnt happened for the past 10/15 years. crecora now join with claughan at certain age levels- doesnt make any sense as they are not neighbouring parishes. crecora is in the raheen/mungret/crecora parish so it makes sense for them to join with mungret if they are playing with someone else. crecora didnt qualify for ther junior city semi final this year- maybe a few of the better players would be better off playing with their neighbours. crecora are doing good work underage though- reaching the féile semi final this year losing to patrickswell team that had poached the two best players from the crecora u-13 from the previous year~( these two brothers did live in patrickswell though)
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 09:24
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A lot of the amalgamations would have had their own club teams only four years ago at Under 14. Players seem to be able to take it or leave it these days.

Originally posted by Shannonside:
Sure at minor level in Limerick when you think about it there's only Adare, Na Piarsaigh, Patrickswell, Bruff, Ballybrown, Mungret and Doon that are single club teams. 7 teams..all the others are amalgamations.

Scoreboard
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 10:32
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Sadly it's the same in a lot of counties in that players can take it or leave it. Tough times ahead over the next 10 years for Hurling & Football.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 10:53
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The culture of the GAA is essentially a knockout system. Everything revolves around getting all the first choice players together for a small number of knockout games or in league stages of a championship. Playing without first choice players is a last resort, and every trick in the book will be pulled to delay a game if a player is injured, suspended, on holidays or even on the beer at a stag night.

Soccer for instance is a far better system, the games go ahead regardless of whether the players are there or not, the squad players get a rake of gametime and at the end of the day thats why people play games, to get gametime. If you are a GAA squad player at adult level in Limerick, you will get action in most league games, but you could be only getting minutes in the championship.

If you are squad player in soccer, between cups and all the team could play 25+ games in the season and you will end up getting on the field for a minimum of 10 games and a lot of them could be for the 90s minutes. There are no hangups about players being missing, the next guy just slots in.

In addition soccer games regularly take place at 11am. Game done and dusted by 1pm on a Sunday and you know you can do what you like on a Friday or a Saturday without having to cancel.

Originally posted by Scoreboard:
Sadly it's the same in a lot of counties in that players can take it or leave it. Tough times ahead over the next 10 years for Hurling & Football.

staycalm
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 11:06
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The 11am starts are a disaster and only suit the non drinkers. The amount of teams who start a game on a Sunday morning with less than 11 players is a lot more than any GAA team not starting with 15. It actually used to be a 10:30am start but clubs asked for the time to be put back and the LDMC changed it to 11. Was hardly worthwhile changing it by 30 mins. It doesnt help the clubs having to play without a full team or a team with hungover players
Habanerocat
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 11:19
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Originally posted by staycalm:
The 11am starts are a disaster and only suit the non drinkers. The amount of teams who start a game on a Sunday morning with less than 11 players is a lot more than any GAA team not starting with 15. It actually used to be a 10:30am start but clubs asked for the time to be put back and the LDMC changed it to 11. Was hardly worthwhile changing it by 30 mins. It doesnt help the clubs having to play without a full team or a team with hungover players

It might give family men a better chance I suppose.

staycalm
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 11:52
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1 o clock games would be the best option. Can go out for your few pints the night before if you wish and not have to fall out of the bed too early. Plus it means you still have a decent chunk of the day left after the match
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 12:11
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But to get back to the point, a player in soccer knows that he will have a set programme of games, week in, week out at whatever kick off time and can plan his life around that. Squad players stay in the game because they know there is a better chance of gametime. Squad players leave the GAA because they arent getting games, and then when the day comes where they are needed the club is forced to give a walkover.

Originally posted by staycalm:
1 o clock games would be the best option. Can go out for your few pints the night before if you wish and not have to fall out of the bed too early. Plus it means you still have a decent chunk of the day left after the match

staycalm
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 12:15
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
But to get back to the point, a player in soccer knows that he will have a set programme of games, week in, week out at whatever kick off time and can plan his life around that. Squad players stay in the game because they know there is a better chance of gametime. Squad players leave the GAA because they arent getting games, and then when the day comes where they are needed the club is forced to give a walkover.

You are watching too much Premier league in England with squad rotation.....Look at the top junior teams in the city. They generally put out the same 11 week in and week out. There is very little squad rotation bar there is an injury or suspension.

Have a look at any of the reports on the Leader and take a note of the team. Check every week and you will see it will more or less be the same 11 every weekend
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South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 12:29
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Perhaps thats the case in the City, but then again in the City soccer is the chosen first choice code among many, wheras out the country its often a winter game to stay ticking over for GAA players.

Originally posted by staycalm:

You are watching too much Premier league in England with squad rotation.....Look at the top junior teams in the city. They generally put out the same 11 week in and week out. There is very little squad rotation bar there is an injury or suspension.Have a look at any of the reports on the Leader and take a note of the team. Check every week and you will see it will more or less be the same 11 every weekend

staycalm
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 12:32
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Perhaps thats the case in the City, but then again in the City soccer is the chosen first choice code among many, wheras out the country its often a winter game to stay ticking over for GAA players.

Thats true. On a completely different issue, and forgive me oh lord for dragging the egg chasing into a GAA thread, but do you know if the Saracens Munster match has a definite stadium yet?? Munster got some hammering last night. Could be a tough year for them
sam
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 12:33
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
But to get back to the point, a player in soccer knows that he will have a set programme of games, week in, week out at whatever kick off time and can plan his life around that. Squad players stay in the game because they know there is a better chance of gametime. Squad players leave the GAA because they arent getting games, and then when the day comes where they are needed the club is forced to give a walkover.

Agree with this. Players want to play games, not to train endlessly. We have too few players on too many teams, meaning the average joe: one team player, gets far too few matches, while the up and coming dual player is being run into the ground for all the different teams he is on. How can you expect to run a season where one player is on 8 teams, none of which will play without him. It means that none of the teams actually has a satisfactory season. Inter-varsity competition is crammed in here, u21 crammed in there, meh, it's a joke.

I also think the county season is utterly flawed and we have by far the worst season of all the major sports, in terms of promoting a sport, the Dublin hurlers played a handful of matches this year, they haven't played for weeks and won't again till 2013, how in gods name is that supposed to promote a sport? Meanwhile we have a soccer season just kicking off where if a kid chooses a team to follow, he will have 500million games to watch all through the autumn, winter & spring. The rugby season is about start as well and rugby fans will have endless games to attend, have friend who are planning which erc away games thy will attend, because thy have a fixture list

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South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 21:29
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I have lost interest in Munster, all the enthusiasm for them drained away as they became more and more of a business and less and less of a team that had an identity with the local clubs of Munster by containing players who previously played Munster Junior League.

Originally posted by staycalm:
Thats true. On a completely different issue, and forgive me oh lord for dragging the egg chasing into a GAA thread, but do you know if the Saracens Munster match has a definite stadium yet?? Munster got some hammering last night. Could be a tough year for them

Long ball
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 21:34
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While 103 walkovers looks bad, does anyone know how this compares with recent years?
staycalm
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 21:43
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I have lost interest in Munster, all the enthusiasm for them drained away as they became more and more of a business and less and less of a team that had an identity with the local clubs of Munster by containing players who previously played Munster Junior League.

You will have a big Munster crowd at the Saracens game. Chance for the men to go to Wembley and the women to shop in London 2 weeks before Christmas
Shannonside
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 22:02
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
A lot of the amalgamations would have had their own club teams only four years ago at Under 14. Players seem to be able to take it or leave it these days.

It's scary when teams like Kilmallock are amalgamating, considering they were always quite successfull at underage.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 22:13
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True enough. Funnily enough I have gone to very few away games over the years but rarely missed a home game.

Originally posted by staycalm:
You will have a big Munster crowd at the Saracens game. Chance for the men to go to Wembley and the women to shop in London 2 weeks before Christmas

staycalm
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Posted: 26-Aug-2012 22:23
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
True enough. Funnily enough I have gone to very few away games over the years but rarely missed a home game.

There is an event booked in to the Olympic stadium for that date aswell but details have not been released as to what it is. Perhaps thats where it will be played
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