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Topic: Limerick Coaching & Games intends to undertake a full review of the Club/School coaching link programme
An Fear Rua
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Posted: 27-Aug-2012 12:14
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Limerick Coaching & Games intends to undertake a full review of the Club/School coaching link programme at a meeting of all the Mackey/Davin cluster club/school link coaches, club-school liaison officers, club juvenile officers and primary teachers on this Thursday August 30th at 7.30pm in the The Pavilion meeting rooms at Limerick GAA Coaching & Games department, North Campus, University of Limerick. (Beside the new 4G surface GAA pitch in UL)

This will be an open meeting where we intend to review all aspects of the programme for its set up between the club & school, to the coaches time coaching the classes and teams in the school, to its usefulness and effectiveness to the local club in terms of player recruitment and improving the skill level of current players.

We also be looking to get a prospective from the teachers and schools as to how effective they feel the programme is for their classes and pupils.

Coaching in the primary schools has been the lifeblood of the association and has acted as the starting point for so many successful careers of our top players. The club/school link programme is among our highest priorities in terms of "getting it right" and the only way to move forward to improve upon all facets of the scheme is to listen to all parties concerned and review what has happened for the past number of years before moving forward.

Therefore I would ask all clubs to engage in this meeting and to express there views in an open and honest fashion so as we can move forward with a view to creating more support, education and assistance to all concerned for the benefit of all our clubs, schools and future stars.

What should you do next?

• Inform your club/school link coach & club school liaison officer of this meeting and ask him/her to make themselves available to attend this meeting.

• Inform your local primary school teachers and or principel and invite them to attend this meeting.

• Inform your club juvenile officers and make them aware of this meeting and agree on a delegation of members from the club to attend this meeting with your club/school link coach and club/school liaison officer.

If clubs wish to make recommendations or provide feedback from there experiences prior to this meeting then please feel free to do so by submitting same to myself through this email address, all submissions will be treated in the strictest of confidence.

It is of the utmost importance that all clubs should to be represented on the night with your club/school link coaches from the 2011/2012 school year and new coaches are also more than welcome.

Should you have any questions or queries then please do not hesitate to get in contact via email ger.downes.gda.limerick@gaa.ie or on 086-4026454

Many thanks to you all and keep up the great work!

Ger Downes
Games Development Administrator for Hurling, Limerick City
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 27-Aug-2012 14:31
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They might have been better delaying this meeting a week, some schools wont be back open by the night of the meeting and therefore it might not be possible to get in contact with teachers.
hunter
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Posted: 27-Aug-2012 20:27
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No need to have meeting. No cash to fund this anymore
manfromdelmonte
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Posted: 28-Aug-2012 11:47
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er, clubs in a lot of other counties get coaches to go in voluntarily or pay them expenses.

surely clubs in Limerick should be looking to supplement the work the county board is doing with more coaching of their own??
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 28-Aug-2012 14:59
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Getting access to the schools can be trickier in some cases than others, in cases where GAA passion is not prevalent among staff. It can sometimes be easier to gain access under a Limerick GAA umbrella than under a local umbrella.

Originally posted by manfromdelmonte:
er, clubs in a lot of other counties get coaches to go in voluntarily or pay them expenses. surely clubs in Limerick should be looking to supplement the work the county board is doing with more coaching of their own??

Prof Honeydew
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Posted: 28-Aug-2012 15:36
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They can talk until they're blue in the face but nothing will happen until the County Board stands up to the couple of megaclubs who believe they've a divine right to cherry pick the entire city and suburbs. Three urban clubs disappeared over the past year with the active assistance of the City Board but the jobsworths who run Gaelic games in Limerick hadn't the guts to do anything about it in case they might upset a few votes at Convention.
The Serb
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Posted: 28-Aug-2012 17:47
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Who are the 3 clubs that have gone Prof? You are a man who knows the situation on the ground in there better than anyone. What would be your solution to stop these super clubs taking all the players of the smaller clubs? In ten years its quite possible that Monaleen, Mungret, Na Piarsaigh and maybe a combination of St Pats and Claughaun might be the only clubs left in town. This would be catastrophic for the game in the city imo.

Originally posted by Prof Honeydew:
They can talk until they're blue in the face but nothing will happen until the County Board stands up to the couple of megaclubs who believe they've a divine right to cherry pick the entire city and suburbs. Three urban clubs disappeared over the past year with the active assistance of the City Board but the jobsworths who run Gaelic games in Limerick hadn't the guts to do anything about it in case they might upset a few votes at Convention.

South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 28-Aug-2012 23:25
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Can someone finally tell me what areas feed what clubs.

As I see it, Ahane come to the bridge in Annacotty, and from there in Monaleen are to the left of the Dublin Road and Milford are to the right on the UL side. After Groody roundabout, St Pats are to the right of the Dublin Road and Claughaun are to the left.

As you continue in towards Clare Street where do St Pats stop? Are Claughaun pulling from the Dublin road across to the Tipperary Road and over to the Kilmallock road. Who do people from the Fairgreen area play for? Who do the people down around Good Shepherd Convent play for?

Am I to assume Christians and Ballincurra pull from a section from the Kilmallock Road to Punches Cross and going in as far as the Bus Station. Where does Mungret meet Ballinacurra/Old Christians? Who do people on the Dock Road and Inner city play for??


Originally posted by The Serb:
Who are the 3 clubs that have gone Prof? You are a man who knows the situation on the ground in there better than anyone. What would be your solution to stop these super clubs taking all the players of the smaller clubs? In ten years its quite possible that Monaleen, Mungret, Na Piarsaigh and maybe a combination of St Pats and Claughaun might be the only clubs left in town. This would be catastrophic for the game in the city imo.

The Serb
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 00:31
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The whole Limerick city GAA boundaries has always been fairly complicated. The city county boundary that is soon to be gone was another factor that complicated things. I think any person that lived inside the city boundary could play for any of the clubs inside the boundary. These are St Pats, Claughaun, Ballinacurra, Old Christians, Abbey and LIT Sarsfields. Due to almost no new houses being built inside the boundary, the suburban clubs have benefited from this outdated rule. I remember that say for instance a child from a Claughaun family was living out across the boundary in Castletroy he had to play for his parish in Monaleen eventhough his parents wanted him to play for Claughaun. He was living in the city but wasnt! SLR, Geographically you have covered the clubs cacthment areas fairly well but from what i can see, other factors come into it in the city apart from where you live such as where you go to school and family ties to clubs. Technically the Dock Road and inner city would be Ballinacurra Gaels and Old Christians. Ballinacurra Gaels would be St Josephs Parish whose Church is on O Connell Avenue plus they get their players from Model School, CBS and the school beside Mary I. Of course St Pats and Claughaun draw from CBS also. Mungret St Pauls starts when you cross over the motorway just before Crescent SC. Fairgreen area usually play for St Pats as do children around Watergate and Good Shepard convent. Abbey draw from Island Field and Corbally but St Pats and Abbey both draw from the Park area. LIT Sars if still there are meant to draw from Moyross/Thomondgate


Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Can someone finally tell me what areas feed what clubs. As I see it, Ahane come to the bridge in Annacotty, and from there in Monaleen are to the left of the Dublin Road and Milford are to the right on the UL side. After Groody roundabout, St Pats are to the right of the Dublin Road and Claughaun are to the left. As you continue in towards Clare Street where do St Pats stop? Are Claughaun pulling from the Dublin road across to the Tipperary Road and over to the Kilmallock road. Who do people from the Fairgreen area play for? Who do the people down around Good Shepherd Convent play for? Am I to assume Christians and Ballincurra pull from a section from the Kilmallock Road to Punches Cross and going in as far as the Bus Station. Where does Mungret meet Ballinacurra/Old Christians? Who do people on the Dock Road and Inner city play for??

whip n cut
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 09:38
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There is a very simple template to be followed here - get the local club or the club nearest the school in question to have a say in the way the school team is trained and selected - having been involved at both levels in the past it is my experience that this is the only way forward - Na Piarsaigh have this system off to a fine art and the results are there for all to see . Yes - it involves some voluntary work from both teachers and club members but there is no other way . The opposite end of this scenario is having 1 or 2 teachers half heartedly going through the motions with badly organised training sessions and things like playing a young lad in goals who normally is say a corner forward with his club - even at 11 or 12 years of age young lads can see what efforts are or aren't being made and this manifests itself on the field of play . In summary have a look at forging stronger links between club and school and you're more than hf way there - and don't expect any help from the county board !!!!
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Sky-Blue
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 11:00
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Na Piarsaigh don't leave 2 Primary feeder Schools Scoil JFK and Scoil Chriost Ri want for anything. Sliothars, Hurleys, Pitch use, and most of all volunteers to go in and assist or even as in JFK's case for last 4 or 5 years, run the teams.

Caherdavin less dependent as they have excellent in house services of Liberties Shane O'Neill. JFK finding feet with some new teachers & prinicipal taking a big interestthis year.
Its the only way to go and Limerick hurling would be in a much healthier place if this template adopted throughout county.
The Serb
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 11:13
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Dead right Sky Blue. The Nap template is obviously working brilliantly. Why cant the county board help the other clubs in the city to do likewise. Im sick of the rugby and soccer are so strong excuse. Nap are Munster champions and are based a couple of hundred yards from the 'HOME OF WORLD RUGBY', Thomond Park!!!

Originally posted by Sky-Blue:
Na Piarsaigh don't leave 2 Primary feeder Schools Scoil JFK and Scoil Chriost Ri want for anything. Sliothars, Hurleys, Pitch use, and most of all volunteers to go in and assist or even as in JFK's case for last 4 or 5 years, run the teams. Caherdavin less dependent as they have excellent in house services of Liberties Shane O'Neill. JFK finding feet with some new teachers & prinicipal taking a big interestthis year.
Its the only way to go and Limerick hurling would be in a much healthier place if this template adopted throughout county.

Sky-Blue
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 11:16
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On this post, & indeed so many on this site who blame CB for all our ills, I would say "Ask not what your county & CB can do for you - ask what you can do for your club & county"
The Serb
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 11:31
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They could give better guidance though to areas that traditionally dont have a strong GAA tradition. The city is different from the country in that aspect. Nap have alot of country men involved who came from a GAA tradition. Its the areas that might not have these people is where the county board should come in and give guidance to.
Originally posted by Sky-Blue:
On this post, & indeed so many on this site who blame CB for all our ills, I would say "Ask not what your county & CB can do for you - ask what you can do for your club & county"

green giant
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 11:52
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To my knowledge the areas set out by SLR are fairly accurate and do apply once a child is registered with any particular club. I could be wrong but a child can register for the first time for any club in the city boundary. Once you are registered this then becomes your club and you can only transfer if you move into the recognised parish of the club you wish to move to. In the case of St Pats and Claughan, because they share the same parish boundaries players can move between each other without any restraint, even if either club objects once the player is determined to move. It has only happened once in my knowledge.
whip n cut
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 13:46
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It seems we have a concensus of agreement here - and for the record I'm not a Na P man but if they're doing thing s right then it should be acknowledged . On the subject of transfers - when Danny Fitz (RIP) moved from Old Christians to Claughaun back in the early 80's the reaction in the Rathbane club would have made Maurice Johnstons transfer from Celtic to Rangers look like a tea party. There was murder !!! Who was the brave soul that switched from St Pats to Claughaun ???
green giant
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 15:00
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I wont mention his name but he was a young guy at U16 level at the time . He went on to win a county U16 football title the following year with Claughan
Limmer
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 16:11
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A Limerick City Colleges team is the first step towards replenishing the strength of the traditional inner-city clubs Claughaun, St. Patrick's and Old Christians. CBS, Clements and the Gaelcholáiste would be your starting point, with a view to at least one of them being competitive at Harty level on their own after 4/5 years.

It's simple adolescent psychology. Boys play what they enjoy, and the primary school GDA programme has introduced a hell of lot more inner-city kids to GAA in the last five years. Inter-school social rivalry is still as present today as it was when I was at school, and that's actually a blessing for GAA as long it's used correctly. ASR, CC, CBS, Clements, GCL and Munchins are offset by Laurel Hill, Comp, Pres, Salesians and Scoil Carmel with CC, Comp and GCL being co-ed.

Motivating teenage boys to play sport in a dedicated way requires a number of factors working in harmony. They have to enjoy it physiologically firstly, and they have to get self-esteem out of it. Many perceive the hurlers as attracting the cream of the Laurel Hill crop, and while obviously the truth is tad more complex (!), the perception of that alone is enough to lend a teenage boy who is maybe not from a traditional hurling background to place that bit more emphasis on hurling as he goes through school.

Go back just 3/4 years when the opening of every envelope in Limerick was performed by a 'Munster rugby hero' in the presence of a Leader/Post photographer. In the last 12 months, you see a lot more of the Shane Dowling/Dec Hannon/Gavin O'Mahony types appearing in local media. A small thing you might say, but teenage boys are, lest we forget, impressionable! Hurling makes you famous apparently!

In short, the more schools there are in the city playing high-level hurling and gaining attendant notoriety for it, the more teenage boys will want to play it, and by extension the more the likes of Claughaun/St. Pat's and Old Christians will benefit from it.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 16:43
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The one thing that strikes me is the huge geographic area available to Old Christians and Ballinacurra in comparison to the other areas. What is the age profile of the population?

Originally posted by The Serb:
The whole Limerick city GAA boundaries has always been fairly complicated. The city county boundary that is soon to be gone was another factor that complicated things. I think any person that lived inside the city boundary could play for any of the clubs inside the boundary. These are St Pats, Claughaun, Ballinacurra, Old Christians, Abbey and LIT Sarsfields. Due to almost no new houses being built inside the boundary, the suburban clubs have benefited from this outdated rule. I remember that say for instance a child from a Claughaun family was living out across the boundary in Castletroy he had to play for his parish in Monaleen eventhough his parents wanted him to play for Claughaun. He was living in the city but wasnt! SLR, Geographically you have covered the clubs cacthment areas fairly well but from what i can see, other factors come into it in the city apart from where you live such as where you go to school and family ties to clubs. Technically the Dock Road and inner city would be Ballinacurra Gaels and Old Christians. Ballinacurra Gaels would be St Josephs Parish whose Church is on O Connell Avenue plus they get their players from Model School, CBS and the school beside Mary I. Of course St Pats and Claughaun draw from CBS also. Mungret St Pauls starts when you cross over the motorway just before Crescent SC. Fairgreen area usually play for St Pats as do children around Watergate and Good Shepard convent. Abbey draw from Island Field and Corbally but St Pats and Abbey both draw from the Park area. LIT Sars if still there are meant to draw from Moyross/Thomondgate

South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 18:24
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Another question. Where do the rural clubs kick in.

I know that Ballybricken stretches to the main Limerick/Tipperary road near Killonan. Where do Liberties meet the City?
The Serb
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 19:01
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Old Christians and Ballinacurra have a big geographical pick but the areas are very fairly old now. Id say if you look at the school going population here it is relatively small compared to St Pauls, Cahirdavin ect. When South Liberties first were formed it had all the South Liberties area of the city which was present day Janesboro, Rathbane, Southill ect. Since the new estates and churches and parishes mushroomed in these areas i dont think they can pick from there anymore. Bernie Hartigan played for Old Christians and his brother Pat played for Liberties. Their father was involved with Christians which was set up day one to be a bit like Mount Sion where it was an old boys club of Sexton St School. Actually i remember reading one time that it was the first GAA club to bring in a club like this following the rugby clubs such as Old Crescent and Old Wesley. Is there any other GAA club with the word Old in it? The Hartigans father played with Limerick and Young Irelands, another successfull old Limerick city club now gone. I always wondered why South Liberties wasnt in the city division. It surely is more of a city club than Kildimo/Pallaskenry, Crecora and Ballybrown!!
Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Another question. Where do the rural clubs kick in.I know that Ballybricken stretches to the main Limerick/Tipperary road near Killonan. Where do Liberties meet the City?

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South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 29-Aug-2012 19:57
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I think originally there were two divisions, East and West.

How they broke into four divisions then I do not know, but it was presumably for geographical reasons in times where travelling wasnt as easy and perhaps the troubles contributed to this.

I have often wondered about the makeup of the divisions, and some clubs have changed divisions. Castletown/Ballyagran were in the west and Knockane were in the South.

The City Division in particular is unusual. On one side Ahane and Liberties etc. are outside the City Division. That said Monaleen was outside the City Council area and I guess the City had not grown that far when the divisions were drawn up. That does not explain the likes of Pallaskenry, Kildimo, Patrickswell, Ballybrown and Crecora who would have been a long way out from the old City pre Raheen, but Crecora are Mungret Parish.

If the City Division was to be redrawn in the morning, I would imagine that it may include Ahane and possibly Liberties.

Originally posted by The Serb:
Old Christians and Ballinacurra have a big geographical pick but the areas are very fairly old now. Id say if you look at the school going population here it is relatively small compared to St Pauls, Cahirdavin ect. When South Liberties first were formed it had all the South Liberties area of the city which was present day Janesboro, Rathbane, Southill ect. Since the new estates and churches and parishes mushroomed in these areas i dont think they can pick from there anymore. Bernie Hartigan played for Old Christians and his brother Pat played for Liberties. Their father was involved with Christians which was set up day one to be a bit like Mount Sion where it was an old boys club of Sexton St School. Actually i remember reading one time that it was the first GAA club to bring in a club like this following the rugby clubs such as Old Crescent and Old Wesley. Is there any other GAA club with the word Old in it? The Hartigans father played with Limerick and Young Irelands, another successfull old Limerick city club now gone. I always wondered why South Liberties wasnt in the city division. It surely is more of a city club than Kildimo/Pallaskenry, Crecora and Ballybrown!!

The Serb
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Posted: 30-Aug-2012 16:58
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There should be no redrawing of the City division borders. The divisions in Limerick have outlived their usefulness.Transport has evolved from the donkey and cart and bicycle!! Time to have all county leagues and championships in everything and finally get rid of the unbalanced championships we have become accustomed to. As regards secondary schools Crescent Comphrehensive is a school that should be targeted by the GAA. Its a massive school with a big student going population from traditional hurling areas like Adare, Patrickswell, Crecora and Mungret. Then all sides of the city would be covered as regards Harty teams.
Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I think originally there were two divisions, East and West. How they broke into four divisions then I do not know, but it was presumably for geographical reasons in times where travelling wasnt as easy and perhaps the troubles contributed to this. I have often wondered about the makeup of the divisions, and some clubs have changed divisions. Castletown/Ballyagran were in the west and Knockane were in the South. The City Division in particular is unusual. On one side Ahane and Liberties etc. are outside the City Division. That said Monaleen was outside the City Council area and I guess the City had not grown that far when the divisions were drawn up. That does not explain the likes of Pallaskenry, Kildimo, Patrickswell, Ballybrown and Crecora who would have been a long way out from the old City pre Raheen, but Crecora are Mungret Parish. If the City Division was to be redrawn in the morning, I would imagine that it may include Ahane and possibly Liberties.

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