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Topic: Tipperary V Kilkenny All-Ireland Intermediate Final
BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 27-Aug-2012 22:11
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This game takes place Saturday evening at 6pm and with good weather forecast hopefully a good crowd will attend.

This grade of competition is often given poor relation status however I think Tipp have made a very good decision in basically making it an adult development squad after seeking permission from the GAA to alter their selection criteria. Previously Tipp as Cork and KK still do could only draw on players from inter and junior clubs. I would love to see Kilkenny use this as a platform for a "Senior b" team as Tipp have done.
Granted the reason the handicapp was introduced was to stop the big 3 dominating the competition but surely this is a self defeating exercise.
This would be Kilkenny's 3/4th best possible selection that however is not to say they are weak as the growth of rural hurling in the county in the last 5-10 years means Intermediate and junior clubs often field many county many and U-21 players - case in point that they're a good few members of the u-21 panel on this side -Ger Aylward, Jason Corcoran, The Ballyragget lads, Brian Kennedy are also part of this side from the u-21s , the rest in fairness would all be good club hurlers at inter or junior level with Ritchie ONeill, Mark Phelan and Niall Walsh training with or being part of the senior set up at some stage.
Wwould be interested to hear from the Tipp Lads how their team was selected and the training involved.
Obviously I will be shouting for KK but a Tipp win and in fairness they should be much stronger will be a great advocate for this grade as a senior development squad.
BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 30-Aug-2012 21:55
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Yikes, interest in this game seems fever pitch. Think I may cut the lawn Sat night, the forecast is good and wont get a chance the following weekend.

For anyone with a mild passing interest the kk team for the final is -

1.Richie O’Neill Kilmacow
2.Mark Phelan Glenmore
3.Alan Walsh Mooncoin
4.Jason Corcoran John Lockes
5.Brian Kennedy St. Lachtains
6.Bill Beckett St. Lachtains
7.Luke Harney Kilmacow
8.Joe Lyng Rower Inistioge
9.Paul Murphy Blacks & Whites
10.Niall Walsh Slieverue
11.Rory Hickey Lisdowney
12.Kevin Kelly St. Patricks
13.Robbie Walsh-Capt. Danesfort
14.John Joe Farrell Thomastown
15.Ger Aylward Glenmore

16.James Maher St. Lachtains
17.Pat Hartley Tullogher Rosbercon
18.Michael Malone Mullinavat
19.Padraig Phelan Emeralds
20.Niall Doherty Galmoy
21.Jeff Brennan St. Patricks
22.Cathal Kenny Barrow Rangers
23.Niall Kennedy Blacks & Whites24.
Bill Staunton St. Patricks

carryharry
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 00:37
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Tipperary will play Kilkenny in the All Ireland Intermediate Hurling Championship Final on Saturday September 1st at 6:00pm in Semple Stadium Thurles.

Team News

The Tipperary Intermediate Hurling team to play Kilkenny in the All Ireland final at Semple Stadium on Saturday September 1st at 6pm is unchanged from the team which started against Clare in the Munster final. The team is:

1. James Logue (Ballingarry)
2. Gerry Walsh (Carrick Swan)
3. Kevin O’Gorman (Thurles Sarsfields)
4. Christy Coughlan (Templederry Kenyons)
5. James Barry (Upperchurch Drombane)
6. Eddie Connolly (Loughmore Castleiney) CAPT
7. Ronan Sherlock (Silvermines)
8. Michael Gleeson (Thurles Sarsfields)
9. Paudie White (Clonoulty Rossmore)
10. Seán Carey (Moyle Rovers)
11. Damien O’Brien (Burgess)
12. Joe Gallagher (Kildangan)
13. Kieran Morris (Moycarkey-Borris)
14. Michael Heffernan (Nenagh Éire Óg)
15. David Butler (Drom and Inch)

Source : https://sites.google.com/a/gaa.ie/tipperary-gaa/latestnews/allirelandintermediatehurlingchampionshipfinal%E2%80%93tipperaryvkilkenny?pli=1
Cat Malojan
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 09:56
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Tipperary will play Kilkenny in the All Ireland Intermediate Hurling Championship Final on Saturday September 1st at 6:00pm in Semple Stadium Thurles.Team NewsThe Tipperary Intermediate Hurling team to play Kilkenny in the All Ireland final at Semple Stadium on Saturday September 1st at 6pm is unchanged from the team which started against Clare in the Munster final. The team is:1. James Logue (Ballingarry)
2. Gerry Walsh (Carrick Swan)
3. Kevin O’Gorman (Thurles Sarsfields)
4. Christy Coughlan (Templederry Kenyons)
5. James Barry (Upperchurch Drombane)
6. Eddie Connolly (Loughmore Castleiney) CAPT
7. Ronan Sherlock (Silvermines)
8. Michael Gleeson (Thurles Sarsfields)
9. Paudie White (Clonoulty Rossmore)
10. Seán Carey (Moyle Rovers)
11. Damien O’Brien (Burgess)
12. Joe Gallagher (Kildangan)
13. Kieran Morris (Moycarkey-Borris)
14. Michael Heffernan (Nenagh Éire Óg)
15. David Butler (Drom and Inch)Source : https://sites.google.com/a/gaa.ie/tipperary-gaa/latestnews/allirelandintermediatehurlingchampionshipfinal%E2%80%93tipperaryvkilkenny?pli=1

Both teams look fairly strong..KK have a few of the u21s on the team..Kennedy, Corcoran, Harney, Lyng, Kelly and Aylward..Harry were Logue, Heffernan, Carey, Barry and O'Gorman on the u21 team of 2010?

carryharry
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 10:20
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Originally posted by Cat Malojan:
Both teams look fairly strong..KK have a few of the u21s on the team..Kennedy, Corcoran, Harney, Lyng, Kelly and Aylward..Harry were Logue, Heffernan, Carey, Barry and O'Gorman on the u21 team of 2010?

Spot on Cat, they were all on the team alright. Kerian Morris was part of the panel too i think.

Great spread of players on the that KK panel, im presuming most of that panel are all Intermediate & Junior hurlers? I would guess that the standard of those championships are a bit higher than what we have in Tipperary.

Dunno if i can get to this match, we have a club game at 3.30 of all times on Saturday, dose.

Cat Malojan
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 10:39
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Spot on Cat, they were all on the team alright. Kerian Morris was part of the panel too i think.Great spread of players on the that KK panel, im presuming most of that panel are all Intermediate & Junior hurlers? I would guess that the standard of those championships are a bit higher than what we have in Tipperary.Dunno if i can get to this match, we have a club game at 3.30 of all times on Saturday, dose.

I'm not sure about the relative standards of Intermediate and Junior in KK and Tipp Harry, but I'd say, considering there are so many senior clubs in Tipp, a decent KK intermediate team would hold their own in Tipp, but that's just a guess. What ever about the standard of Tipp/KK intermediate/junior hurling, the pedigree of some of the hurlers on show is not to be sniffed at..All of the KK lads have represented Kilkenny at some level. The only one I'm unsure about is Rory Hickey ( I think he was on our minor team this year, but I could be mistaken). Tipp have a few tasty hurlers too. I'm assuming David Butler is a relation of Seamus?
carryharry
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 10:42
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Originally posted by Cat Malojan:
I'm not sure about the relative standards of Intermediate and Junior in KK and Tipp Harry, but I'd say, considering there are so many senior clubs in Tipp, a decent KK intermediate team would hold their own in Tipp, but that's just a guess. What ever about the standard of Tipp/KK intermediate/junior hurling, the pedigree of some of the hurlers on show is not to be sniffed at..All of the KK lads have represented Kilkenny at some level. The only one I'm unsure about is Rory Hickey ( I think he was on our minor team this year, but I could be mistaken). Tipp have a few tasty hurlers too. I'm assuming David Butler is a relation of Seamus?

Correct again, younger brother. I put up a report of the Munster final v Clare if you can find it. I can't.

Should be a good game this, although i fear it will be poorly attended. With the big one next wknd im guessing the KK crowd will be handy.

This game has being very very poorly marketed in fairness.
Blanco
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 10:51
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Originally posted by Cat Malojan:
I'm not sure about the relative standards of Intermediate and Junior in KK and Tipp Harry, but I'd say, considering there are so many senior clubs in Tipp, a decent KK intermediate team would hold their own in Tipp, but that's just a guess. What ever about the standard of Tipp/KK intermediate/junior hurling, the pedigree of some of the hurlers on show is not to be sniffed at..All of the KK lads have represented Kilkenny at some level. The only one I'm unsure about is Rory Hickey ( I think he was on our minor team this year, but I could be mistaken). Tipp have a few tasty hurlers too. I'm assuming David Butler is a relation of Seamus?

The Tipp senior hurling championship is a total shambles, with a lot of the senior teams no even up to what would be good intermediate standard , everyone knows there are far too many senior teams who are senior is name only but it is up to the clubs to vote to change the system and turkeys do not vote for Christmas.

It was bad before but then a couple of years ago the county board made a bizarre decision to allow clubs to be promoted from intermediate via the boardroom , all they had to do was fill out a form and request promotion to senior status and it was granted. So clubs who did not earn it on the field just promoted themselves and are masquerading as senior clubs since.



Cat Malojan
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 10:57
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Correct again, younger brother. I put up a report of the Munster final v Clare if you can find it. I can't.Should be a good game this, although i fear it will be poorly attended. With the big one next wknd im guessing the KK crowd will be handy. This game has being very very poorly marketed in fairness.

I'd say there'd be a sizeable KK crowd at it..two years ago we played Cork in the corresponding fixture in Thurles, and a fairly healthy KK crowd turned up, especially considering the seniors were training at the same time..the circus of the drive for five and all that!
Agree with you about the marketing..this has the potential to be a cracker..they should really look to have it as a curtain raiser for the senior final..Imagine Tipp playing Kilkenny in all three grades on the one day..not sure my nerves could take it..at the moment it's the poor relation of the hurling competitions which is a disservice to the effort of everyone involved..
BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:09
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Hickey was minor with KK maybe 4 years ago, open to coreection on that.

As for all previously repping KK - Who is Paul Murphy from Skeough? Age profile?
Star Gazer
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:23
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Big change in selection eligibility for Tipperary in this competition for the last 2 years. As a result there are only 2 players from Intermediate clubs on the team - Ronan Sherlock and Sean Carey. On the other hand, no Under 21 players can be selected. A nothing competition really IMO.
carryharry
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:27
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Originally posted by Star Gazer:
Big change in selection eligibility for Tipperary in this competition for the last 2 years. As a result there are only 2 players from Intermediate clubs on the team - Ronan Sherlock and Sean Carey. On the other hand, no Under 21 players can be selected. A nothing competition really IMO.

I wouldn't say a nothing competition either SG.

If Christy Coughlan, James Barry, Michael Heffernan and James Logue go well again Saturday then they are lads new Senior management should be looking at seriously imo.

Probably a sour note for some that Senior club hurlers get to play intercounty intermediate grade but it is giving lads a chance to stake a claim at Senior level.


Cat Malojan
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:28
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Hickey was minor with KK maybe 4 years ago, open to coreection on that.As for all previously repping KK - Who is Paul Murphy from Skeough? Age profile?

Now that you mention it, haven't a clue who he is..didn't see him when I skimmed through the team.. must be ok if he's keeping Hartley and Brennan off the team..

Blanco
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:34
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Originally posted by Star Gazer:
Big change in selection eligibility for Tipperary in this competition for the last 2 years. As a result there are only 2 players from Intermediate clubs on the team - Ronan Sherlock and Sean Carey. On the other hand, no Under 21 players can be selected. A nothing competition really IMO.

Tipp were on the verge of pulling out this competition just a couple of years ago , a motion even went to the county board asking them to disband the team as it was not been treated seriously by the players who were not turning up for training and they were finding it hard to get a panel together.

Would not be surprised to hear if there was not a huge amount of training for this panel either, more like just getting together for matches I reckon.


carryharry
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:41
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Originally posted by Blanco:
Tipp were on the verge of pulling out this competition just a couple of years ago , a motion even went to the county board asking them to disband the team as it was not been treated seriously by the players who were not turning up for training and they were finding it hard to get a panel together.Would not be surprised to hear if there was not a huge amount of training for this panel either, more like just getting together for matches I reckon.

There has being collective training as far as i know Blanco.

Legalalien
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 11:42
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One thing about KK hurling in recent years has been the spread of players from different clubs. It started with minors about 5 years ago I 'd reckon and has continued.
Muilleann
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 12:53
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Tipp club c'ship is a joke alright.

There are teams playing senior who're really intermediate and most of intermediate clubs are really junior standard.

BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 31-Aug-2012 21:18
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Tipp put forward a motion to change eligibility on the basis that they would field a "development" squad. No u-21's and no senior panelists.

It was meant to made up of guys in their early 20's etc who could possibly be drafted to the senior panel in the future. This however having spoke tp a few Tipp friends is not the case, they have put out the strongest team available which of course you cannot argue with either. It will however have Cork and KK who have dominated the competition due to the strgength of junior/inter hurling in the county seeking to do the same which in turn again will result in big 3 scenario which the rules of this comp were designed to avoid.
Tipp may well canter home tomorrow to a 10/15 point victory but the value of such a win is at least questionable.
Rafa Benitez
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 18:43
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Tipp put forward a motion to change eligibility on the basis that they would field a "development" squad. No u-21's and no senior panelists.It was meant to made up of guys in their early 20's etc who could possibly be drafted to the senior panel in the future. This however having spoke tp a few Tipp friends is not the case, they have put out the strongest team available which of course you cannot argue with either. It will however have Cork and KK who have dominated the competition due to the strgength of junior/inter hurling in the county seeking to do the same which in turn again will result in big 3 scenario which the rules of this comp were designed to avoid.
Tipp may well canter home tomorrow to a 10/15 point victory but the value of such a win is at least questionable.

HT Tipp 3-9 Kilkenny 0-6

Blanco
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 19:07
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Originally posted by Rafa Benitez:
HT Tipp 3-9 Kilkenny 0-6

Tipp only up by 1 pt now with 10 mins left, these second half collapses are getting boring now.

yankeelad
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 19:09
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Oh man that is some comeback.Keep it going Blanco.
Time!!!
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 19:09
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Tipp save a KK penalty. Seems to be a savage breeze 3-11 to 1-16
Time!!!
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 19:11
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Tipp now 3 up with 4mins to go
Time!!!
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 19:20
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All over. Tipp 3-13 Kilkenny 1-17. Well done to Tipp.
Blanco
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Posted: 01-Sep-2012 19:20
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Tipp win by 2 pts, no county like Tipp to give up a big lead.

Terrible 2nd half from Tipp who thought they had it won by half time, Tipp goalie pulled off a few good saves in the last 10 mins or so.

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