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Official AFR Topic: Galway v Kilkenny All Ireland Final. All others will be deleted
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02-Sep-2012 22:07
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This is the topic to give your views about the All Ireland senior hurling final -
both before and after the game.
Please confine your comments to this topic. If you start another topic about this game it will just be deleted.
In the past, we've tolerated several topics on the same game. However, our sad experience with the many breaches of forum rules in topics re recent the Tipp v Kilkenny semi final have led us to this step. This way, we have only one topic to monitor and we can do a better job.
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Kinvara's Passion
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03-Sep-2012 11:40
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The first 10 minutes of this game is going to be absolute hurling warfare. This is the period where we landed the knockout punches in the Leinster final and KK will refuse to let this happen again.
The middle third of the field will be packed and it will ultimately come down to who wants the sliotar more. I assume Galway will go with their batting style game again which will leave an almighty battle for the ball at ground level.
I believe Galway can still better Kilkenny in this sector, The difficult bit however is trying to manufacture scores from this possession. Any of our forwards simply cant have an off day, if you strike you either find a guy in a better position or you take a score yourself. Because even with limited possession KK will still convert that possession into scores.
We are complete outsiders in the majority of predictions and the task is Everest like, its September and we are still hurling, all expectations have been exceeded but... we'll never have a better chance in closing that 24 year gap.
Roll on 3.30pm on Sunday.
Legalalien
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03-Sep-2012 13:02
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Michael Rice is a big loss to KK for the midfield battle. I think Buckley will probably get the nod but there could be an arguement to move TJ out to midfield to make way for Richie Hogan. Very difficult to drop any of the forwards after the last day. Big call to be made by Cody.
The other call will be will they go man for man on the galway forwards and if they do, is it Jackie or JJ that ends up on big Joe.
Training has been behind closed doors so not much getting out about what Cody is planning.
I think this could be anther cracker of an all ireland like the Tipp trilogy. The 2 best teams in the country at the moment. It is a very difficult one to call. Can see this going down to the wire and whichever team scores the goals will win. A cliche but think that's where the game will be won or lost.
Can't wait for the throw-in.
tv1
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03-Sep-2012 13:16
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I'll give Galway every chance on sunday and if Canning manages a big day I think they'll win,its important they hurl as a team and not deploy the silly tactics used by Tipp.Beating Kilkenny means running at them for the full seventy minutes,something Galway are well capable of doing.
glasandbán
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03-Sep-2012 13:55
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Good idea AFR.
So hard to call this game, kk seem back to their terrifying best after the tipp game and Galway can't pull the same surprise twice, surely kk will have some gameplan to combat galways tactics from the last day.
Will be very interesting how kk line out. Especially, will Doyle, Buckley, or Hogan come in? And, who'll mark Joe?
I'm backing Galway. The tipp game was too misleading as Tipps collapse gave kk their own way for the whole second half. Galway have been the most consistent team all year, in the early games they had won early and can be forgiven for switching off a bit, v cork they did enough playing within themselves, and v kilkenny we saw what they are capable of with total focus.
The kk forwards will not get as much space or time from the galway backs. With the crowded midfield the galway backs are better able to keep their lines tighter together. At the other end someone will have to be detailed to mark Cannnig which will leave space at some points, and the ability of canning and a few more to take long range points will force kk to come forward to mark up a bit and I think Galway will most definitely get goals. KK have scored a good few goals in their last two games but I think v Limerick and v Tipp a lot of those goals were due to poor defending. Finally, midfield will be titanic. If Tannian can have a good game and the galway pair even draw even with kk here then kk will not be able to control so much possession and snuf out so many attacks as they could v tipp.
Legalalien
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03-Sep-2012 14:32
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Just got from my club:
Kilkenny senior hurling training for the All-Ireland final in Nowlan Park open this week- Wednesday and Friday from 6.30pm.
Most of the heavy stuff done so no surprise he is now opening the training to the public.
Cré Na Cille
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03-Sep-2012 15:29
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Galway were awesome in the Leinster final.
But they were patchy against Cork.
Which Galway will turn up next Sunday?
If it's the Leinster final Galway, then they could well win.
If it's the semi-final Galway, then Kilkenny will win comfortably.
Legalalien
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03-Sep-2012 15:36
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Originally posted by Cré Na Cille:
Galway were awesome in the Leinster final.But they were patchy against Cork.Which Galway will turn up next Sunday?If it's the Leinster final Galway, then they could well win.If it's the semi-final Galway, then Kilkenny will win comfortably.
But they did what was needed to be done.
Which KK will show up?
The KK versus Dublin/versus Tipp in the 2nd half?
or the KK versus Galway in the Leinster final /versus Limerick in the first half?
If it is option 2, Galway will give us another severe beating.
And if we have a Joe show, it could be done and dusted regardless of how KK plays with Liam joining Bob west of the Shannon.
glasandbán
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03-Sep-2012 16:05
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Originally posted by Legalalien:
Which KK will show up?The KK versus Dublin/versus Tipp in the 2nd half?or the KK versus Galway in the Leinster final /versus Limerick in the first half?If it is option 2, Galway will give us another severe beating.
It's been overlooked but I think the Limerick match is the truest reflection of where kilkenny are this year. Ok they'll have injured players back and will be better in the final but:
The Dublin and Tipp games should be discounted as being two complete collapses and are anomalies. Probably the Leinster final too and kk will have a stronger selection for the final.
My suspicion is that the Limerick game is the truest indicator of kk's form this season. They were better than Limerick but also got 2 maybe 3 goals that were very very soft and should have been prevented. I've no doubt they would have won without them, but could have been tighter.
Cré Na Cille
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03-Sep-2012 16:13
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Originally posted by Legalalien:
Which KK will show up?.
Under Cody, you know what you're going to get from the Cats on All-Ireland final Sunday. Been there, done that.
Can't say the same about GY - first All-Ireland for most of the team.
Tickler0
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03-Sep-2012 16:42
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I just think that when Kilkenny feel they have something to prove and this time they have the Leinster final to drive them on they are usually pretty much unstoppable.... So on that basis alone I will go for them with a few to spare. JJ or Tyrell on Joe will be worth the admission alone. Personally I would put JJ on him. If Galway can stop Kilkenny getting goals they will be in with a great chance but cant see that happening.
theblack&amber
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03-Sep-2012 16:57
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Originally posted by glasandbán:
It's been overlooked but I think the Limerick match is the truest reflection of where kilkenny are this year. Ok they'll have injured players back and will be better in the final but:The Dublin and Tipp games should be discounted as being two complete collapses and are anomalies. Probably the Leinster final too and kk will have a stronger selection for the final.My suspicion is that the Limerick game is the truest indicator of kk's form this season. They were better than Limerick but also got 2 maybe 3 goals that were very very soft and should have been prevented. I've no doubt they would have won without them, but could have been tighter.
I don't think you could discount the Tipp game as a total collapse from Tipp in the second half. A stupid mistake from Herrity allowed a Tipp goal and which gave them the momentum till half time but really Kilkenny were dominant all over the pitch in the first half and the second half display only re-inforced that really.
I agree with you and I think the Limerick game was a real examination of Kilkenny. Limerick in the first half were savage, and gave them the type of serious intensity that Galway gave in the Leinster final only Kilkenny were ready for it (even at that it was very even). In the second half Kilkenny cut loose and really Kilkenny could have won by a lot more, Fogarty hit the crossbar in the first half, the keeper made a point blank save from Shefflin in the second and Power and Shefflin missed 5 frees they'd normally put over in their sleep. I think Kilkenny lacked confidence in the first half against Limerick but once they got it into their veins they looked top quality against what is a very good Limerick side (lets not forget they had Tipp completely on the ropes and had they not collapsed and ran out of steam and managed to win that one I'm convinced Limerick would have won Munster this year).
Cork in the league, Dublin, Limerick in the second half and Tipp were examples of what Kilkenny are capable of. Obviously the Leinster final was a beating, but the big question is, was that just the blip and the other games are a reflection of Kilkenny's true form? If they are a reflection of Kilkenny's form, then Galway will have it all to do. If they were collapses then you'd have to say no-one could really know what Kilkenny's actual form is. But its hard to imagine all those results as collapses by everyone else.
Kilkenny to win by a few (hopefully).
Cré Na Cille
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03-Sep-2012 17:11
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Originally posted by theblack&amber:
...really Kilkenny were dominant all over the pitch in the first half and the second half display only re-inforced that really....
Scores were level after 21 mins.
Tipp led at half time.
Scores were level after 41 mins.
After that KK destroyed Tipp.
tv1
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03-Sep-2012 19:14
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Kilkenny's closed door training sessions were interesting enough I'd say,I wonder what the plans are for Canning?Joe I think needs to play on the edge of the square.
whip n cut
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03-Sep-2012 23:08
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Originally posted by tv1:
Kilkenny's closed door training sessions were interesting enough I'd say,I wonder what the plans are for Canning?Joe I think needs to play on the edge of the square.
Prediction for next Monday's papers - -
" NO SHOW LIKE. A JOE SHOW !! "
Or
". JOE IS A NO SHOW "
Or
". HENRY. IX !!!! "
whip n cut
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Originally posted by tv1:
Kilkenny's closed door training sessions were interesting enough I'd say,I wonder what the plans are for Canning?Joe I think needs to play on the edge of the square.
Prediction for next Monday's papers - -
" NO SHOW LIKE. A JOE SHOW !! "
Or
". JOE IS A NO SHOW "
Or
". HENRY. IX !!!! "
JohnDeff
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04-Sep-2012 00:10
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Can't see Joe being allowed to dictate to the KK backs.
The physicality stakes from KK in the Leinster final will be upped and the Galway young lads in particular have to stay strong and support each other.
I think this game will be decided on the sideline.If Cunningham and co can react quickly if thinks start to go wrong and stop KK from getting a major lead then I think we are in for a cacke ....
Step forward Damien Hayes, Cyril Donnelan and David Burke and Irlath Tannion this has to be your time you may never gat the chance again.
I dont have any concerns with th Galway backs as the management will have a plan to limit the goal impact that kk will hope to bring early that allows them to dictate games.
Roll on Sunday...
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04-Sep-2012 02:28
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The first time in years that I'll be more interested in the minor game; are TV3 showing it with English language commentary?
Not that I won't be watching the senior game,....
cityoftribes
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04-Sep-2012 09:28
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Originally posted by JohnDeff:
I dont have any concerns with th Galway backs as the management will have a plan to limit the goal impact that kk will hope to bring early that allows them to dictate games.Roll on Sunday...
That's a very fair point. In the LF it was a case of Kk having to react (poorly) to Galways tactics. Cody has said since that game that he knows now how to beat Galway. With that in mind this game me be more about how Galway might have to alter their initial gameplan on the day to counteract what Kk have in store for them. that will be a real test for Galway as the last day they dictated the way the game was played.
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The Galway Hurling Supporters Club and Bus Eireann will provide a bus to Croke Park on Sunday for supporters wishing to travel to the Galway v Kilkenny GAA Senior Champonship All-Ireland Final.
The details are as follows: Depart Ceannt Station 9.00am, Oranmore Community Centre 9.10am, Moylans Loughrea 9.30am, Haydens Hotel Ballinasloe 10.00am, Arrive Mountjoy Square Dublin approx 12.00pm
jokero
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I wonder if Galway will trust the same tactics as in the LF, i.e. bring out Hayes and open up the space inside for Joe/Donellan to exploit while crowding the middle, batting the ball and competing on the ground rather than in the air for it, or will they have something different up their sleeve? If so, what? I can't see Kilkenny falling for the same trick twice; they are not only forewarned but now they have a point to prove and as has been pointed out numerous times Cody loves nothing more than a cause to use as a motivating tool.
Galway are more than capable of beating KK again; they're still the only team that make me nervous as you just never know what to expect from them. Canning is the key, if he can be neutralised KK will have gone a long way towards winning this game. If it is to be a man-marking job then I think JJ is the man as he is the only KK defender skilful and big enough to match Canning. Tyrell is a beast but Joe is well able to look after himself and would hurl Tyrell up a stick, as we saw in the LF - he is a totally different proposition to Lar Corbett. You'd nearly have to do what they did in the Leinster semi-final in 09, when they had Hickey actually marking him and I think Tennyson dropping back in front of him to cut out any incoming ball. This of course assumes he stays in or around the square, which he probably won't. If he starts roaming and finding space, and gets good ball, its going to be very difficult. It's up to KK to prevent that from happening.
The Tipp match was interesting in that KK completely dominated in the air for much of the game to an extent that they haven't for a few years now. If they can maintain this dominance against Galway then they'll beat them well; however it was precisely this that Galway targeted and disrupted so well in the LF, and really its the key to the game. If Galway can somehow break even or better in the air then they're in with a huge chance; if KK have figured out how to reassert aerial superiority then Galway are in big trouble, as KK will bury points from anywhere on the field all day long, and will also do their level best to turn quickly and head towards goal if the opportunity arises.
KK have the experience and their confidence restored after the drubbing of Tipp; Galway have the knowledge that they've already beaten KK this year. It'll be very interesting to see what way both teams go about their business come throw-in, but I expect KK to win by 4-5 points.
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04-Sep-2012 11:53
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I'd worry that the referee will be under to pressure to start blowing the whistle after the media storm following the semi final.
Especially as he isn't from a hurling stronghold and might not appreciate the full importance of the occasion.
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Originally posted by jokero:
You'd nearly have to do what they did in the Leinster semi-final in 09, when they had Hickey actually marking him and I think Tennyson dropping back in front of him to cut out any incoming ball.
JJ Delaney was marking Canning that day and Canning skinned him for a goal. He also goaled from a 21 yard free if I remember correctly. JJ tightened up after that and as you said with help from Tennyson dropping back into the space, KK managed to quieten Canning for the rest of that match.
Personally, if I was a KK man I'd prefer to see JJ rather than Tyrell on Canning as I think JJ is KK's best back and he's even more comfortable in the half back line if Canning does wander. Delaney is also incredibly good in the air which is vital if high ball goes into Canning around the square.
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Originally posted by Collig:
JJ Delaney was marking Canning that day and Canning skinned him for a goal. He also goaled from a 21 yard free if I remember correctly. JJ tightened up after that and as you said with help from Tennyson dropping back into the space, KK managed to quieten Canning for the rest of that match. Personally, if I was a KK man I'd prefer to see JJ rather than Tyrell on Canning as I think JJ is KK's best back and he's even more comfortable in the half back line if Canning does wander. Delaney is also incredibly good in the air which is vital if high ball goes into Canning around the square.
My bad Collig, thought it was Hickey was on him that day. JJ wasn't comfortable at FB for many years, this year is the first time I can recall seeing him hurl at his best in that position. Joe made bits of him in first 20 minutes that day alright but he sorted himself out after and contained him well. JJ is a far smoother operator on the edge of the square now than he was then, but Canning is playing as well as I've ever seen him and he looks fitter than he's ever been. It'll be a tall order to nullify his influence on the game no matter what way KK go about it. If they can keep him to 4 or 5 points from play and no goals it'd be a good days work I reckon.
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Suprised how quiet the build up to this game has being tbh. The Independent had an article yesterday on the various heights of the Kilkenny players! Strange article for a Monday leading into All Ireland final weekend but as ever.
Kilkenny have to be raging hot favorites after their bounce back after the Leinster final. In fairness this so called bounce back can't be under-rated, Limerick & Tipperary both rattled KK for 35 mins each but ended up poking the dog too hard so to speak.
On an average year where KK were reigning champions coming into an All Ireland you could have those who speak of a lack of hunger etc. But there can be no chance of that this year after the Leinster final drubbing Galway dished out to KK. Kilkenny were up for Tipp big time in the Semi, what will they be like this Sunday after the Leinster final?
Galway look a different animal under Anthony Cunningham, they look like they really believe in themselves and what they can achieve. Tipperary had a similar look to them under Sheddy & Co, and in fairness hunger is one thing to have but without belielf you have no chance.
Can Galway lift it again, can they really up it a further 30% on the Cork performance? For all the talk about Cork being soft by some posters on here, they did run Galway uncomfortably close.
Galway looked to hide beneath their shell slightly as time ticked away in the second half of the Semi final and that would be a worry for me. While Galway cantered across the line v Cork, KK were at full throttle right to the final whistle demolishing Tipperary.
Galway have the stickmen, they have the strength and ability, but do they really believe enough?
For me, experience will be key next Sunday. Dealing with the day, the build up, the opponents and pressure will be easy for KK. Will it be so for Galway? I hope the occasion does not hinder them but i fear it will.
Kilkenny by 5 points.
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