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Topic: Jason Ryan Gone From Wexford
HangSanwich
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 10:51
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We'd take him in Limerick if he's interested.
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All Star Hurler
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 10:57
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Rumour has it, that his next job is in Cork
PHINEAS
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 10:57
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Originally posted by HangSanwich:
We'd take him in Limerick if he's interested.

Horan deserves another year at it.Has brought in some new young fellah's this year.Disappointing against Clare,brill against Longford,heartbreaking against Kildare.
PHINEAS
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 10:59
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Originally posted by All Star Hurler:
Rumour has it, that his next job is in Cork

JBM won't be happy!
carryharry
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 11:06
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Good luck to him.

Brought on Wexford a tonne and they were really unlucky not to win a provinical crown during his reign.

I know he had is knockers in recent years within Wexford, people felt he stayed a year or two too long etc. But it can't be denied that he changed Wexfords style and improved their image and standing in the game.

His one fault imo was not being cynical enough in closing out games. Against Limerick in Portlaoise 2 years ago Wexford let Limerick pip them late on. I felt he wasn't quick enough to close up shop on the night and still wanted his team to play open football in the closing stages. It cost them the game in the end.

All in all a good young coach with plenty of options open to him.
Surely a return to Waterford will happen esp with John Owens stepping down recently.
evileye
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 11:13
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Jason Ryan moving to limerick would be a major piece of business.

Two hopes of that happening, bob and none!
Kobe Shefflin
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 11:38
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Originally posted by evileye:
Jason Ryan moving to limerick would be a major piece of business. Two hopes of that happening, bob and none!

Has Horan been reappointed for definite? Think he deserves another year or two, he's finally getting us playing a way that suits us and that enables us to take on the so called "bigger teams". If we can unearth another forward or two and a midfielder, would have high hopes for 2013.

batter burger
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 12:36
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Originally posted by Kobe Shefflin:
Has Horan been reappointed for definite? Think he deserves another year or two, he's finally getting us playing a way that suits us and that enables us to take on the so called "bigger teams". If we can unearth another forward or two and a midfielder, would have high hopes for 2013.

Exactly, why would they consider replacing Horan?
In the last two years Jason Ryan has been a disaster, knocked out by Limerick and then Tipp, honorable defeats are useless.
Whoever said his next job is in Cork must have been referring to a club team because there is no way he would be welcomed.
glasandbán
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 13:05
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Originally posted by HangSanwich:
We'd take him in Limerick if he's interested.

WHY?! Ok a disappointing defeat to Clare but after that Limerick played some great football! Definitely think we showed enough to give the manager another year or two and I think the year ended with us clearly having something to build on!
HangSanwich
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 15:42
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He has proven his pedigree as a football manager.He has brought Wexford football out of the myre and he could possibly get Limerick winning a Munster title.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 15:48
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No surprise after the way Wexford capitulated against Dublin: its happened once too often
spade caller
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 16:20
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To be honest, I'm delighted.

I don't know where people get the idea that he "brought Wexford out of the wilderness", they're more or less exactly where they were before he took over and IMO in a worse state than they were when Pat Roe was in charge. They have won nothing of note in the championship and luckily got a nice few qualifier draws to beat a few mediocre teams.

He persisted with players in pivotal positions for his entire tenure who patently weren't up to inter-county standard.

He also failed to address the problems that cost Wexford plenty of games over a few seasons.

He talks a great game and the players in the panel love him and I don't doubt his enthusiasm. He's not the man to bring Wexford any further in my book though.

I can't for the life of me figure out why Pat Roe didn't get a bigger appointment, he brought Wexford to an League 1 Final where they were beaten by an Armagh team still at the top of their game and really improved certain aspects of the team.
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Star Gazer
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 16:23
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That was a Div. 1 League Final that Wexford lost to Armagh. They beat Tyrone in the Semi Final.
spade caller
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 16:25
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Of course you're correct, Monaghan beat an mhí the same day with a last minute goal in the Division 2 decider. I'll edit accordingly
Yojimbo
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 16:51
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Originally posted by spade caller:
He talks a great game and the players in the panel love him and I don't doubt his enthusiasm. He's not the man to bring Wexford any further in my book though.

That often seems to make a difference, though, especially where 'lesser counties' are concerned: 'talking' a great game
spade caller
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 17:02
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Originally posted by Yojimbo:

That often seems to make a difference, though, especially where 'lesser counties' are concerned: 'talking' a great game

This is my biggest bugbear, For "make a difference", you could easily write "move from top 20 county to top 16", it's a progress in a sense but not enough to deserve the plaudits that come their way IMO. You see it all over, people talking about Micko in Wickla, etc etc. I think a lot of managers take credit fro bringing teams from a low baseline to where they should actually be anyway. This is not improvement.

If I take a young lad who has been taught badly for 3 years and manage to bring him up to where he should naturally be anyway, am I a great teacher or just an average teacher doing what I should do?

The other thing that really irks me is the fact that a lot of duel players have bought into it and are proud of being a top 16 football county rather than putting the same effort into making Wexford a top 4 hurling county.

Obviously they find the football set-up more exciting, enjoyable or rewarding and that's their choice but I can think of at least 4/5 footballer show would greatly improve the hurling set-up.
76wx1
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 18:41
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I agree with you Spade Caller. I don't think he got anything out of them, that wasn't already there.

There were players on the Wexford team that would go a long ways to being on any team in the country

Mattie Forde
Red Barry
Ciaran Lyng
Phillip Wallace
Adrian Flynn

and had a good scattering of other adequate players.

I don't think that he brought them on at all.

They never drove on from the 08 AI semi final. They should have beaten Dublin 3 times in the last couple of years.

Overall his tenure has been disappointing but like the man says above, you can't doubt his enthusiasm.

Don't know who the next man will be.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 18:41
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Originally posted by spade caller:

If I take a young lad who has been taught badly for 3 years and manage to bring him up to where he should naturally be anyway, am I a great teacher or just an average teacher doing what I should do?

Or maybe the young lad finally copped onto himself
Jason Ryan has been a dream interviewee on Newstalk for years, which would help to raise his profile and consequently job opportunities
Not saying he wasn't any good but its been clear for at least two years now that Wexford have been treading water; perhaps like John Evans at Tipp where a change might turn out to have been just what the doctor ordered, despite the outstanding work he did for us, at all levels

iced earth
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 19:45
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Always felt there was too much heed paid to moral victories over Dublin. Yes they should've beaten them twice in Leinster in the past two years but won neither through a mixture of bad luck and wayward shooting. On both occasions they were paired against Munster opposition for their subsequent backdoor matches and this is where the shortcomings were laid bare for all to see. Limerick and Tipperary set up the perfect ambush and emerged from their encounters with Wexford with deserved one point victories. Jason has taken the Model County as far as he could've done and I wish him well in his next manager's job. He'll have learnt a lot.
Yojimbo
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 19:59
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Jason Ryan love-in continuing apace on Newstalk
"when the legend becomes fact, (I) print the legend"
spade caller
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 20:20
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Originally posted by 76wx1:
I agree with you Spade Caller. I don't think he got anything out of them, that wasn't already there.There were players on the Wexford team that would go a long ways to being on any team in the countryMattie Forde
Red Barry
Ciaran Lyng
Phillip Wallace
Adrian Flynnand had a good scattering of other adequate players.

Unfortunately, by the same token, he kept players in pivotal positions who were never good enough and never would be. It bugged the sh1t out of me for the last few years to hear their chances being built up when I knew in my heart and soul that we lacked the quality in certain positions to ever threaten any team of real substance and nothing was ever done to rectify this.
The system he employed ensured we'd never get hammered but also ensured we'd never take a big scalp
Anybody know where Pat Roe is?
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spade caller
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 20:28
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Originally posted by iced earth:
Always felt there was too much heed paid to moral victories over Dublin. Yes they should've beaten them twice in Leinster in the past two years but won neither through a mixture of bad luck and wayward shooting. On both occasions they were paired against Munster opposition for their subsequent backdoor matches and this is where the shortcomings were laid bare for all to see. Limerick and Tipperary set up the perfect ambush and emerged from their encounters with Wexford with deserved one point victories. Jason has taken the Model County as far as he could've done and I wish him well in his next manager's job. He'll have learnt a lot.

Shoulda,woulda, coulda, I'd agree with you about the repeated failure, that's what it was, not a moral victory.
I'd disagree with you about Limerick and Tipp though, it wasn't the fact that it was Munster opposition but more that the chance of winning a Leinster was gone, which was the very limits if their potential (and way beyond IMO). I don't think they had any real interest in a run in the qualifiers after 08 when they knew it would ultimately end with no silverware, whether that was the first round or the quarter finals.

frasiercrane
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 20:39
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Originally posted by spade caller:
To be honest, I'm delighted.I don't know where people get the idea that he "brought Wexford out of the wilderness", they're more or less exactly where they were before he took over and IMO in a worse state than they were when Pat Roe was in charge. They have won nothing of note in the championship and luckily got a nice few qualifier draws to beat a few mediocre teams. He persisted with players in pivotal positions for his entire tenure who patently weren't up to inter-county standard. He also failed to address the problems that cost Wexford plenty of games over a few seasons.He talks a great game and the players in the panel love him and I don't doubt his enthusiasm. He's not the man to bring Wexford any further in my book though. I can't for the life of me figure out why Pat Roe didn't get a bigger appointment, he brought Wexford to an League 1 Final where they were beaten by an Armagh team still at the top of their game and really improved certain aspects of the team.

Did you see what happened with Offaly when Roe was in charge.
spade caller
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 20:45
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Originally posted by frasiercrane:
Did you see what happened with Offaly when Roe was in charge.

Maybe the question should be "look waht happened Pat Roe when he managed Offaly". I wouldn't blame him for what seems to be a seriously inconsistent, underachieving Offaly team over the last few years. I remain immensely impressed with what Pat Roe did with Wexford and the quiet, no bells-and-whistles way he did it
Keanes Road
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Posted: 05-Sep-2012 20:48
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Originally posted by spade caller:

Maybe the question should be "look waht happened Pat Roe when he managed Offaly". I wouldn't blame him for what seems to be a seriously inconsistent, underachieving Offaly team over the last few years. I remain immensely impressed with what Pat Roe did with Wexford and the quiet, no bells-and-whistles way he did it

I always though Roe put on the poor mouth when he was Wexford manager. He was a man that -like Ryan- got them s far but no further. They seemed to be slipping back under him play wise in the end.

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