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He got it wrong (but only technically....)...!!!
Rush
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07-Sep-2012 09:39
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It was one of the worst decisions ever made by a referee in a high profile match, no mention of the fact that he allowed Niall Healy seven steps before he took the shot as well (after the incorrect throw-in).
For the record, Peter Barry did not 'abuse' Roche, and the 'back-chat' that Roche penalised him for was saying is "I finally get one fe*kin (free) from you".....
Roche: I got Barry call wrong in 2005, but so would most referees
By John Fogarty, GAA Correspondent
Friday, September 07, 2012
Sweating and feeling "absolutely wrecked", Seamus Roche retired to his changing room under the Cusack Stand after the 2005 All-Ireland semi-final.
Having officiated a bona fide classic between Galway and Kilkenny which produced nine goals, the Tipperary referee was reasonably satisfied with his performance.
But then his mobile phone rang.
"I had got to Dublin the evening before and I diverted my house phone to my mobile. I came into the dressing room and my mobile was ringing. I answered it with a ‘hello’ and I got a stream of abuse.
"Somebody had been after ringing my house. I just hung up there and then. Those are the things that would affect referees but it didn’t bother me."
The angry verbals that greeted him down the phone line were from a Kilkenny supporter. More calls were to come but by that stage he was screening them.
He doesn’t go into details but he is still reminded "to this day" by Kilkenny people about how he contributed to their downfall seven years ago, a Tipperary man getting one back on their neighbouring rivals.
"I did get some stick. I find all those things very petty, because there are always going to be fellas from border counties refereeing games. That’s just the way.
"Certain counties would have issues with each other and when a referee is accused of wearing his county colours and that the blue and gold is coming out through your referee’s jersey that to me is the one of the biggest insults.
"I don’t look at things that way. I’d be a big admirer of the Kilkenny team as anyone. They’re probably the greatest team we’ve seen."
The sentiment among Kilkenny supporters was that Roche was harsh on their team. But they were particularly outraged with the Killsheelan/Kilcash man’s second-half decision to overturn a free out awarded to Peter Barry for back-chatting to him and award a throw-in.
David Forde won the restart against Barry and his ground strike broke inside to Niall Healy, who scored his second of three goals to put Galway seven points ahead.
On TV, Michael Duignan said: "I don’t think there will be any Christmas cards on the way to the Tipperary ref Seamus Roche after this."
Indeed, as Roche later discovered, he was wrong to deny Kilkenny the free. "I believed it was the correct decision and every other referee on the national panel was of the same opinion. But we were informed at a meeting in Athlone that I was wrong to award the throw-in. I was 100% at the time sure that it was the correct procedure but when I found out I was dumbfounded.
"There was a massive argument and debate on it. The area was a grey area for us all because a lot more senior referees than me at the time said to me that I was correct.
"There was no hoo-ha about it. The player involved (Barry) knew, when I had cancelled the free, that he had stepped over the line. His body language changed."
The rule boggles Roche’s mind to this day. He can’t see the logic in it.
"If I gave a free to a player and he struck me or any official with a hurley out of temper I’d send off the player and the free still stands. That’s where I have a serious problem with the rule book, that’s there are still those grey areas in this day and age."
Roche has no regrets and believes referees have never been more under the microscope.
"I believe there should be two separate rulebooks with hurling and football. Other than that, I see the cynical fouling as the major talking point. Maybe giving the umpires more clout than they have can help. At the same time, they need to stand up and take responsibility for the stuff that is going on off the ball because the referee can’t see it."
Collig
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07-Sep-2012 09:52
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What is it with KK fans and Seamus Roche in 2005? Take yer beating FFS.
JohnDillon
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07-Sep-2012 10:00
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Originally posted by Collig:
What is it with KK fans and Seamus Roche in 2005? Take yer beating FFS.
Take our beating from the Ref????
Galway won, end of. Kilkenny allowed the game to degenerate in to a shootout and still just lost.
There were two issues with Roches decision.
1. He was wrong on the decision itself and more importantly the article above is self serving. Every referee who knows the rules of the game knew immediately that he was wrong.
2. Once he made an incorrect decision he then proceeded to immediately throw the ball in and did so with the Kk defender out of position.
Also, how the ---- does he know the person ringing him was a Kilkenny supporter... Roche would be better off keeping his name out of the public spotlight for numerous reasons.
Collig
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07-Sep-2012 10:15
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Originally posted by JohnDillon:
Take our beating from the Ref????Galway won, end of. Kilkenny allowed the game to degenerate in to a shootout and still just lost.There were two issues with Roches decision.1. He was wrong on the decision itself and more importantly the article above is self serving. Every referee who knows the rules of the game knew immediately that he was wrong.2. Once he made an incorrect decision he then proceeded to immediately throw the ball in and did so with the Kk defender out of position.Also, how the ---- does he know the person ringing him was a Kilkenny supporter... Roche would be better off keeping his name out of the public spotlight for numerous reasons.
The ref didn't lose KK that game, they were beaten by a better team on the day - get over it. Fair enough lads giving out about a ref a few days after a game but it's 7 years ago ffs. And before you state that it was Roche bringing it up now, the same topic was on here only a few months ago.
Rush
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Originally posted by Collig:
What is it with KK fans and Seamus Roche in 2005? Take yer beating FFS.
Kilkenny have never had a problem taking a beating and Galway did beat us but Seamus Roche's attitude to Kilkenny player's that day (semi-final) won't be forgotten.
Collig
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07-Sep-2012 10:18
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Originally posted by Rush:
Kilkenny have never had a problem taking a beating and Galway did beat us but Seamus Roche's attitude to Kilkenny player's that day (semi-final) won't be forgotten.
So you can't take a beating? 7 years and I've seen that game numerous times, the over exaggeration about Roche's performance from some KK fans is as hilarious as it is ridiculous.
Rush
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Originally posted by Collig:
The ref didn't lose KK that game, they were beaten by a better team on the day - get over it. Fair enough lads giving out about a ref a few days after a game but it's 7 years ago ffs. And before you state that it was Roche bringing it up now, the same topic was on here only a few months ago.
So Tipperary fans are allowed bring up the 'penalty' in 2009 All Ireland again & again & again and I don't see you posting here for them to 'take their beating'...?
Collig
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07-Sep-2012 10:24
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Originally posted by Rush:
So Tipperary fans are allowed bring up the 'penalty' in 2009 All Ireland again & again & again and I don't see you posting here for them to 'take their beating'...?
If Tipp supporters are stil bringing up the penalty from 2009 in 2016 with such regularity as KK fans bring up Seamus Roche on here then they'd most certainly want to get over it.
Rush
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07-Sep-2012 10:27
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Originally posted by Collig:
So you can't take a beating? 7 years and I've seen that game numerous times, the over exaggeration about Roche's performance from some KK fans is as hilarious as it is ridiculous.
It's more the 'sneery' attitude that Roche had with he Kilkenny player's during 'normal' interaction in the game than the very questionable decisions he made. I obviously cannot post here what was said as I would probably get banned but rest assured it was not just a single situation and Mr. Roche's comment to several Kilkenny players at the end were very tellingly about the 'manner & attitude' he had reffed the game in. One Kilkenny player was livid with the comment at the end of the match and Roche just smirked and laughed, he certainly did not show impartiality.
Collig
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Originally posted by Rush:
It's more the 'sneery' attitude that Roche had with he Kilkenny player's during 'normal' interaction in the game than the very questionable decisions he made. I obviously cannot post here what was said as I would probably get banned but rest assured it was not just a single situation and Mr. Roche's comment to several Kilkenny players at the end were very tellingly about the 'manner & attitude' he had reffed the game in. One Kilkenny player was livid with the comment at the end of the match and Roche just smirked and laughed, he certainly did not show impartiality.
As I've said before, I've watched that game numerous times to see what all the fuss was about and there was nothing out of the ordinary in Roche's refereeing display which makes the crowing of some KK supporters all the funnier some 7 years after the match.
Rush
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07-Sep-2012 10:48
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Originally posted by Collig:
As I've said before, I've watched that game numerous times to see what all the fuss was about and there was nothing out of the ordinary in Roche's refereeing display which makes the crowing of some KK supporters all the funnier some 7 years after the match.
Are you just being obtuse as Andy Dufresne would say?
Do you understand the meaning of the expression 'crowing'...I don't think you do? Your use of that term is revealing.
carryharry
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Cody must be delighted with Fogarty & the Examiner for highlighting Referee's again 2 days before the All Ireland.
@ Rush, will you grow the fcuk up lad please. If Seamus Roche made a mistake it is because he is human, simple. Referees will make mistakes, the main mistake made that day was KK's blase attitude to Galway. KK were raging hot favorites and played like lads who were thinking of the final.
Whatever people say, Roche did not score Galway's 5 goals. He did not prevent KK backs from marking the Galway forwards.
The real boll*x in the above story is the lad who rang his house, and yes it was a KK man Rush! Twas hardly a lad from Longford ffs.
Seamus Roche is a gentleman, and for people to question whether he went out to ride KK is a disgrace. If KK hadn't conceded 5-18 that day they would have won, but they did and lost! Not Seamus Roches fault, maybe poor defending cost ye the game!
John Joe Soap
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07-Sep-2012 11:00
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"Ref doesn't kneel at Kilkenny hurling/Brian Cody altar" shock.
Ref correctly awarded a free against Barry for mouthing off. If only we had a ref that would do the same to Shefflin. Be worth ten points per game for the opposition. And if we had a ref that would blow against KK for GBH, that would be worth another 10-15.
Fcuk me, Waterford were robbed in 08 when you look at it in the cold light of day.
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07-Sep-2012 11:03
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Blame Roache all you want lad's but on that day it came down to the likes of Ger Farragher (2-9) and Niall Healy (3 goals)
Galways full forward line was unstoppable that day.
Collig
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Originally posted by Rush:
Are you just being obtuse as Andy Dufresne would say?Do you understand the meaning of the expression 'crowing'...I don't think you do? Your use of that term is revealing.
This is hilarious! And how does this relate to Seamus Roche? Run out of arguments have we Rush?
An fear glas agus dubh
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07-Sep-2012 11:06
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I personally am glad seamus roche has been confined to the refereeing scrap heap, Limerick were another county he had it in for. Cork in GG in 2004 and Waterford in the All-Ireland semi. Despite Limerick winning He gave Waterford almost everything that day.
JohnDillon
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Originally posted by blacksnow:
Blame Roache all you want lad's but on that day it came down to the likes of Ger Farragher (2-9) and Niall Healy (3 goals)
Galways full forward line was unstoppable that day.
Galway won the game and deserved to win the game. The scoreboard does not lie.
Rush
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07-Sep-2012 11:21
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Seamus Roche is a gentleman, and for people to question whether he went out to ride KK is a disgrace. If KK hadn't conceded 5-18 that day they would have won, but they did and lost! Not Seamus Roches fault, maybe poor defending cost ye the game!
Maybe he is a great lad to have a pint with but is it not very telling that Mr. Roche still draws such ire from Kilkenny fans?
His comments and attitude to Kilkenny players (that day) won't be forgotten. His decision regarding the Barry 'throw-in' just sums up the whole package.
Rush
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Originally posted by Collig:
This is hilarious! And how does this relate to Seamus Roche? Run out of arguments have we Rush?
What arguement, I believe Mr. Roche's referring in that All- Ireland was not acceptable (from a Kilkenny point of view), his comments towards kilkenny players during the game and espicially after the game shows the attitude he had on the day.
You believe he did nothing wrong...from your multiple viewing of the game...so no arguement, just different perceptions.
So do you understand the meaning of the expression 'crowing' or not? I think you used it incorrectly..?
theblack&amber
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Roche was a terrible referee. I got to college in Thurles and even the Tipp lads hate him.
Why he was dropped as an inter-county referee would raise questions over his decisions that day.
That said Roche wasn't to blame for Kilkenny losing that match, we only have ourselves to blame for losing that one, and of course Galway having one of their patented day of days.
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The question I would have is why is your man Fogarty writing an article about it NOW?
Collig
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Originally posted by Rush:
What arguement, I believe Mr. Roche's referring in that All- Ireland was not acceptable (from a Kilkenny point of view), his comments towards kilkenny players during the game and espicially after the game shows the attitude he had on the day.You believe he did nothing wrong...from your multiple viewing of the game...so no arguement, just different perceptions.So do you understand the meaning of the expression 'crowing' or not? I think you used it incorrectly..?
Fair enough Rush we can agree to disagree but you haven't put any points forward as far as I can see other than the whinging I've heard for years off KK supporters.
With regards to 'crowing'. fair enough the wrong context but if you're going to be acting as the grammar police on this site you'd want to check your spelling mate!
Rush
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Originally posted by blacksnow:
Blame Roache all you want lad's but on that day it came down to the likes of Ger Farragher (2-9) and Niall Healy (3 goals)
Galways full forward line was unstoppable that day.
One of Healy's goals came from the 'incorrect' decision ** from Mr. Roche to award a throw-in, when he didn't even wait for a Kilkenny player to enter the throw, when Healy gathered possesion he then took an illegal amount of steps before scoring, again permitted by Mr. Roche.
It is telling in the article above that he feels he has to justify the decision by stating "Peter Barry knew he had stepped over the line" - a good referee would have laughed at Peter Barry's comment, but not Mr. 'self-important' Roche who took it on himself to quieten Kilkenny players.
**A decision now admitted as incorrect by Mr. Roche.
Rush
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Originally posted by Collig:
Fair enough Rush we can agree to disagree but you haven't put any points forward as far as I can see other than the whinging I've heard for years off KK supporters.With regards to 'crowing'. fair enough the wrong context but if you're going to be acting as the grammar police on this site you'd want to check your spelling mate!
I've not mentioned 'spelling' at all, I was just wondering why you had used the term 'crowing' when it was clearly wrong in the point you were making...I thought I was missing something...
My point is this, Mr. Roche's attitude on the day towards Kilkenny players led him to having a performance that Kilkeny players & fans are very annoyed over. As bad as some other referee's are and we all can give out about decisions, it's Mr. Roche's sneery attitude that annoy's and his attempts at self-justification in the article are another layer to it.
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Originally posted by Rush:
I've not mentioned 'spelling' at all, I was just wondering why you had used the term 'crowing' when it was clearly wrong in the point you were making...I thought I was missing something....
Yes and I admitted it was an incorrect use of the word but if you're going to be pointing out such minute details you'd want to be fairly bullet proof yourself and it was ironic that you had numerous spelling mistakes in the post pointing it out.
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