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Topic: Barry Kelly lads, his finest hour surely
Remy Martin
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:06
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We are all mad to come on here and vent our frustration towards the Referee but credit where credit is due. He did a superb job
carryharry
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:09
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Originally posted by Remy Martin:
We are all mad to come on here and vent our frustration towards the Referee but credit where credit is due. He did a superb job

All in all i thought he reffed the game very well throughout.

He will surely get the replay i presume?
N16
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:09
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Yep - agree with that. Had a fine game and dont think he got any of the calls wrong.
In fairness though he was helped by both sets of players who went out to play hurling and didnt go in for any of the crap we see between Tipp and KK in the semi-final.
clubgaa
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:12
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Agreed, he got nearly all all the close calls correct and that is difficult in a game tah was played at a fairly hectic pace. He has showed that the "Dickie Murphy" smile and wave play on, is not the way to do it and for that I am glad.
Rebel CNC
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:15
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Originally posted by carryharry:
....He will surely get the replay i presume?

On another thread, it was said he can't refereee the replay, having reffed the drawn game!
Not sure if this is the case.

stretchitoutlads
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:21
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I am baised but Burke getting away with taking nine steps for his goal, Cannings seven steps for his goal and not only awarding an extremely soft free to draw the match but for some unknown reason booking Jackie Tyrrell in the process, detract for Kelly's performance for me. You could also mention missing Coen throwing the hurl which should have resulted in a second yellow. I know that a referree can't get everything right, but Kellys performance being hailed everywhere as an exhibition in referring suprises me.
N16
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:23
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Originally posted by stretchitoutlads:
I am baised but Burke getting away with taking nine steps for his goal, Cannings seven steps for his goal and not only awarding an extremely soft free to draw the match but for some unknown reason booking Jackie Tyrrell in the process, detract for Kelly's performance for me. You could also mention missing Coen throwing the hurl which should have resulted in a second yellow. I know that a referree can't get everything right, but Kellys performance being hailed everywhere as an exhibition in referring suprises me.

Burke was going away from him and from behind it would have looked like he played the ball on his hurley before sticking it away. The 4 steps rule is regularly infringed upon - happeend in both games yesterday and several occasions. Very difficult for the ref to call it if the player is going away from him.
carryharry
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:29
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Originally posted by stretchitoutlads:
I am baised but Burke getting away with taking nine steps for his goal, Cannings seven steps for his goal and not only awarding an extremely soft free to draw the match but for some unknown reason booking Jackie Tyrrell in the process, detract for Kelly's performance for me. You could also mention missing Coen throwing the hurl which should have resulted in a second yellow. I know that a referree can't get everything right, but Kellys performance being hailed everywhere as an exhibition in referring suprises me.

Burkes & Cannings goals were difficult ones for Kelly to get right in fairness. Both players had their backs to him in play, Cannings mazey run through 5 KK players made if hard for Kelly to see his steps taken. For Burkes goal i though he had hopped the ball on the hurley on first viewing. He had in fact over carryed but the ref could not of seen this (miss) touch.

Overall i thought he commanded the game well, he wasn't overly fussy and played advantage where he could. A good all round performance for me.

JohnneyCool
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:40
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Originally posted by stretchitoutlads:
I am baised but Burke getting away with taking nine steps for his goal, Cannings seven steps for his goal and not only awarding an extremely soft free to draw the match but for some unknown reason booking Jackie Tyrrell in the process, detract for Kelly's performance for me. You could also mention missing Coen throwing the hurl which should have resulted in a second yellow. I know that a referree can't get everything right, but Kellys performance being hailed everywhere as an exhibition in referring suprises me.

Granted he's not as good at refereeing as Cody, but he was blowing the kind of free all day, with Richie Power getting a similar softish free earlier on.

On the Burke issue you'd have to be very hard on the referee to even bring it up, he looked to have played it on the hurl in real time not to mention Burkes back was between him and the ball.

He was right with a lot more than he was wrong.

Will Brian Gavin get the replay?

Limmer
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:50
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He did have a very good game in fairness, getting damn near all of the key calls correct and maintaining a decent atmosphere among the players, but the free at the end was an awfully poor call.

Because it was KK that was sinned against, the post-match discourse revolves around the fact that its great to have another game between these two. I can't help but feel though that if it was Eoin Larkin or Richie Hogan that dived to con the ref at the end, we'd all be talking about Kilkenny's win-at-all-costs cynicism and poor sportsmanship.
123oleary
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:51
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Originally posted by bosco32:
Jaysus that must have been during one of the few times in the match Walsh let go of Cyril Donellan. Every time the ball went within 30 yards of them Tommy was dragging out of him. But sure that's alright I'm sure.

So because tommy Walsh commits a foul in the first ten minutes or whenever he is not entitled to a free for being up ended in injury time in an all Ireland so Galway could have a chance to get a draw.Give it a break will you if the challenge was the other way around see how quick the whistle would have been blown
stretchitoutlads
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:51
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OK, fair enough concerning it being difficult for Kelly to see the nine steps for the goal (doesn't make it an easier to take as a Kilenny man however :) )

I don't know what you are referring to concerning Cody referring, and can you not have a serious discussion of the referee's performance without resorting to stupid remarks like that?

You have attempted to justify Kelly's desicion to award a free where the player threw himself on the ground to engineer a free that potentially cost one team an All-Ireland by stating that its ok because Kilkenny got a soft free earlier in the game. But wouldn't that make it then two mistakes by Kelly rather than none, as you are suggesting, and wouldn't that detract from Kelly's perceived performance rather than add to it?
Tinmar
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:51
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Burkes & Cannings goals were difficult ones for Kelly to get right in fairness. Both players had their backs to him in play, Cannings mazey run through 5 KK players made if hard for Kelly to see his steps taken. For Burkes goal i though he had hopped the ball on the hurley on first viewing. He had in fact over carryed but the ref could not of seen this (miss) touch.Overall i thought he commanded the game well, he wasn't overly fussy and played advantage where he could. A good all round performance for me.

I thought James Regan took about 8 steps before passing to Canning while Joe probably took no more than 5. Also, Donnellan took a lot of steps before hitting the ball in before the second goal. Anyway, these things seldom get called on either side so I don't have any real complaints.

The final free was fairly soft but it is typical of the sort of free teams losing by a point have always got for as long as I've been watching hurling. If the teams had been level, he probably wouldn't have given the free but that's just human nature. A draw was a fair result.

Rush
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:55
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Cannings mazey run through 5 KK players made if hard for Kelly to see his steps taken.

Was Canning wearing a camouflage jersey or something...if a referee cannot track how many steps a player is taking then a guide-dog should be his next purchase?
bosco32
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:58
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Originally posted by 123oleary:
So because tommy Walsh commits a foul in the first ten minutes or whenever he is not entitled to a free for being up ended in injury time in an all Ireland so Galway could have a chance to get a draw.Give it a break will you if the challenge was the other way around see how quick the whistle would have been blown

I didn't say that. But you'll forgive me for lacking in sympathy for Walsh when he fouled Donellan every time the ball went anywhere near the pair of them and was only penalised once in my recollection.
Rush
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 11:58
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Originally posted by 123oleary:
Barry Kelly robbed Kilkenny of their all Ireland yesterday by not awarding a free out to tommy walsh just before Galway got the free for diving.It was one of the clearest frees you could get right in front of him and he didn't call it.This was what incensed Brian Cody and its not good enough full stop.

Ya, but Kilkenny don't get those type of fees + certainly not Tommy.

This message has been edited - 10-sep-2012 @ 12:27
carryharry
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:02
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Originally posted by Rush:
Was Canning wearing a camouflage jersey or something...if a referee cannot track how many steps a player is taking then a guide-dog should be his next purchase?

There was at least 3 KK & 2 Galway players in Kelly's line of sight Rush. Watch it back and then we'l see who needs the guide dog.

Stop talking out you hole and call a spade a spade regardless of Jersey colour!
Rush
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:20
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Originally posted by carryharry:
There was at least 3 KK & 2 Galway players in Kelly's line of sight Rush. Watch it back and then we'l see who needs the guide dog.Stop talking out you hole and call a spade a spade regardless of Jersey colour!

So Kelly 'misses' excess steps for both Galway goals and you exonerate Kelly!!

There are none so blind than those who do not want to see.


carryharry
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:28
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Originally posted by Rush:
So Kelly 'misses' excess steps for both Galway goals and you exonerate Kelly!!There are none so blind than those who do not want to see.

Continue acting the fool, doesn't bother me tbh.

Name the last Ref you have witnessed who didn't make a mistake!

I'l be waiting.

Rush
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:42
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Originally posted by carryharry:
Continue acting the fool, doesn't bother me tbh.Name the last Ref you have witnessed who didn't make a mistake! I'l be waiting.

At least you seem to recognise Kelly made mistakes / errors for the two goals, I suppose thats the best I can hope for.

John Joe Soap
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:45
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Kilkenny fans complaining about players taking too many steps. Do ye not remember the numerous times DJ used to take 10-15 without getting pulled up. Towards the end of his career when his legs were going he tried to take 20 and refs copped it eventually. I know ye'r going to say DJ had shorter legs and that he should have been allowed an extra few and fair enough but leave off other players getting the benefit of the doubt.
Hurlingfan15
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:47
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He tried to take 20 steps did he? FFS

Originally posted by John Joe Soap:
Kilkenny fans complaining about players taking too many steps. Do ye not remember the numerous times DJ used to take 10-15 without getting pulled up. Towards the end of his career when his legs were going he tried to take 20 and refs copped it eventually. I know ye'r going to say DJ had shorter legs and that he should have been allowed an extra few and fair enough but leave off other players getting the benefit of the doubt.

stretchitoutlads
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 12:57
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Originally posted by John Joe Soap:
Kilkenny fans complaining about players taking too many steps. Do ye not remember the numerous times DJ used to take 10-15 without getting pulled up. Towards the end of his career when his legs were going he tried to take 20 and refs copped it eventually. I know ye'r going to say DJ had shorter legs and that he should have been allowed an extra few and fair enough but leave off other players getting the benefit of the doubt.

A most insightful and valuable input to a thread concerning Barry Kelly's performance, a ridiclous claim that a Kilkenny ex-player who hasn't played in nearly 10 years used to take up to 20 steps. Thank you

This message has been edited - 10-sep-2012 @ 12:58
bp
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 13:11
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.....yeah, but they were short steps in fairness
Ozzy
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Posted: 10-Sep-2012 13:16
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Very good display of refereeing IMO. Showed that half implementing the rules isn't the way to go, just blew for frees when someone committed a foul rather than 'letting the play flow'. Only decision I'd blame him for getting wrong was the last free, but the dive by the Galway forward made if difficult.

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