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Topic: Tony Considine, Martin Kiely and TJ Ryan for Limerick
ringmoylan
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 13:28
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I can confirm that negotiations are taking place with the above trio, with a view to taking over from the current Limerick management. Tony Considine would be seen as the manager and its expected that a physical trainer will be brought on board, possibly Tim Crowe.

The dream team combination are expected to trash out a number of issues prior to any handshakes.

Watch this space
booby prize
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 13:57
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Originally posted by ringmoylan:
I can confirm that negotiations are taking place with the above trio, with a view to taking over from the current Limerick management. Tony Considine would be seen as the manager and its expected that a physical trainer will be brought on board, possibly Tim Crowe.

The dream team combination are expected to trash out a number of issues prior to any handshakes.

Watch this space

Dont go their.A disaster if Limerick go down that road
long danny
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 14:10
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This is surely a wum, please say it is. What the fcuk does Martin Kiely know about hurling? I know he wants to wrap his hands around the world but this is surely a step too far, even for him. The dream team for me would be Ciaran, Houlihan, Clarke and Kirby.
ringmoylan
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 14:36
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This is not a `WUM` as you refer to it.

The committee tasked with appointing managers is as follows:

John O`Donnell   (Kilmallock  )   - Chairman
James Dooley   (Garryspillane  )  
Andrew Mackey   (Doon  )  
Oliver Mann   (Patrickswell  )  
Kevin O`Mahoney   (Adare  )  

The association between Tony Considine and Garryspillane is well known and John O`Donnell who is a former member of the County Board exc utive is a native of Garryspillane. James Dooley is the chairman of the club and acted as a select  or with Considine when Garryspillane won the 2005 county title. Tony Considine failed to agree terms with Limerick county board in 2006 and Richie Bennis was then reinstated.

TJ Ryan is a logical choice as select  or. People may query the involvement of Martin Kiely, but it`s obvious from his articles that the strife in Limerick hurling pains him. He was a top class handballer and knows what it takes to achieve success at the highest level. He is a shrewd judge of hurling talent, and has also an association with Garryspillane through his close relationship with the Ryan family. Tim Crowe has had a past association with Limerick hurling and served with Tony Considine in Clare in 2007.

Originally posted by long danny:
This is surely a wum, please say it is. What the fcuk does Martin Kiely know about hurling? I know he wants to wrap his hands around the world but this is surely a step too far, even for him. The dream team for me would be Ciaran, Houlihan, Clarke and Kirby.
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long danny
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 15:15
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No need to get all tetchy. There are number of posts here that are simply meant to get peoples backs up, I just wanted to ask whether or not this was one.

I am aware of Martin Kielys credentials in the handball court, I played him as a juvenile and he kicked my asre around the court in Caherconlish. I was at his last All-Ireland win which was a junior doubles with a player from Hospital. He is also a very successful businessman so his qualifications are also unquestioned there. We are all passionate about hurling but that does not qualify us to manage, train, coach etc. any county team. To be honest I would also have a problem with anyone who has such a close association with the Limerick Leader having anything to do with Limerick hurlers.

I still think the dream team would be what I have posted above.
whistlehappy
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 15:24
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Typical Limerick pick popular guys and we`ll all be happy. The "dream" team of Carey , Houlihan, Clark and Kirby wouldbe a real joke. This is intercounty we are talking about not club hurling. What success have any of the 3 achieved as a manager?
Considine and co. would definitely be the better of the two options. If Limerick appoint a manager from within the county they are F****d.
scud
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 15:58
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Originally posted by ringmoylan:
This is not a `WUM` as you refer to it.

The committee tasked with appointing managers is as follows:

John O`Donnell    (Kilmallock   )    - Chairman
James Dooley    (Garryspillane   )   
Andrew Mackey    (Doon   )   
Oliver Mann    (Patrickswell   )   
Kevin O`Mahoney    (Adare   )   

The association between Tony Considine and Garryspillane is well known and John O`Donnell who is a former member of the County Board exc utive is a native of Garryspillane. James Dooley is the chairman of the club and acted as a select   or with Considine when Garryspillane won the 2005 county title. Tony Considine failed to agree terms with Limerick county board in 2006 and Richie Bennis was then reinstated.

TJ Ryan is a logical choice as select   or. People may query the involvement of Martin Kiely, but it`s obvious from his articles that the strife in Limerick hurling pains him. He was a top class handballer and knows what it takes to achieve success at the highest level. He is a shrewd judge of hurling talent, and has also an association with Garryspillane through his close relationship with the Ryan family. Tim Crowe has had a past association with Limerick hurling and served with Tony Considine in Clare in 2007.


And lets rename limerick `garryspillane utd` while we`re at it. Kiely would have no respect in the dressing room. Slight difference between handball and hurling and sure the strife in Limerick hurling pains my grandmother but i didn`t see anyone calling to the door to ask her to get involved. WUM
bawlslikeabull
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 17:20
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Why is a Limerick Leader writer on this site telling us his boss is to be come involved with the set up?Would you not be better advised to keep this for your own column.
long danny
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 17:54
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Originally posted by whistlehappy:
Typical Limerick pick popular guys and we`ll all be happy. The "dream" team of Carey , Houlihan, Clark and Kirby wouldbe a real joke. This is intercounty we are talking about not club hurling. What success have any of the 3 achieved as a manager?
Considine and co. would definitely be the better of the two options. If Limerick appoint a manager from within the county they are F****d.

And what inter-county experience do TJ and Kiely have, in fact other than juveniles, what hurling coaching experience do they have? Other than Justin McCarthy there seems to be no other manager that would go near the job. I would be happy to have Justin as manager with one or two of the `popular guys`.

I notice you do not propose anyone so lets have the list. I don`t think Kiely wil have the players support and I say it again anyone who has a close association with the Leader should be kept away. After that, it is open to all suggestions.
miller1910
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 20:42
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definite wind up - people wasting their time even discussing this. What inter-county player worth his salt would play under Martin Kiely ffs?
beef or salmon
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 22:05
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Yawn..
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 22:21
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Considine and Kiely were commentating together on RTE Radio for the Waterford Offaly game. Needless to say I would not be in the Tony Considine camp.

TJ Ryan has something to offer in the future, but not while his brother Donie is still involved. A direct conflict of interest straight away. I cannot comment on Kiely because I dont know enough about him but the players arent happy about him.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 22:22
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Would you mind elaborating?

Originally posted by bawlslikeabull:
Why is a Limerick Leader writer on this site telling us his boss is to be come involved with the set up?Would you not be better advised to keep this for your own column.
the Goan
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 22:26
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imo it was always going to be a hard year for LK to lift things after the AI final defeat, with the right "set up" LK will be in the mix next year.....
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 19-Jul-2008 22:28
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You might add that Andy Mackey has previously spent a lot of time working in Garryspillane Co-op. And that this five man committee previously established Tony Considine as their first choice to become manager, not Richie Bennis. It was the county board who couldnt agree with Considine, not the five man committee.

I am very concerned about this story. Far from a WUM.

The most concerning aspect is that Considine was all but manager in 2006 but a few terms that the county board would not accede to. As far as I know one of these terms was his choice of select ors. There have been changes in the county board since then, and its possible that they may be prepared to do business now.

Originally posted by ringmoylan:
This is not a `WUM` as you refer to it.

The committee tasked with appointing managers is as follows:

John O`Donnell    (Kilmallock   )    - Chairman
James Dooley    (Garryspillane   )   
Andrew Mackey    (Doon   )   
Oliver Mann    (Patrickswell   )   
Kevin O`Mahoney    (Adare   )   

The association between Tony Considine and Garryspillane is well known and John O`Donnell who is a former member of the County Board exc utive is a native of Garryspillane. James Dooley is the chairman of the club and acted as a select   or with Considine when Garryspillane won the 2005 county title. Tony Considine failed to agree terms with Limerick county board in 2006 and Richie Bennis was then reinstated.

TJ Ryan is a logical choice as select   or. People may query the involvement of Martin Kiely, but it`s obvious from his articles that the strife in Limerick hurling pains him. He was a top class handballer and knows what it takes to achieve success at the highest level. He is a shrewd judge of hurling talent, and has also an association with Garryspillane through his close relationship with the Ryan family. Tim Crowe has had a past association with Limerick hurling and served with Tony Considine in Clare in 2007.

highballvolvic
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Posted: 20-Jul-2008 00:11
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a clare reject, holy f**y!!!!
No. 22
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Posted: 20-Jul-2008 01:21
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i have been supporting limerick for 40 years and i have put up with fcuk up after fcuk up from the county board

this cannot be allowed to go ahead. we as supporters have to take action and launch a protest at the county board meeting. it is our money that is being wasted watching false dawn after false dawn. we are entitled to our say and the unanimous opinion here seems to be that messrs considine kiely and ryan are not wanted and have nothing to offer

what did considine ever achieve? winning a county with garryspillane was tainted by messing around with the players on the panel. bruree winning it the year after showed that considine was no miracle worker

martin kiely is only always looking at ways to boost his profile and ego. his articles on the paper have lacked consistency and he has slated the players. i had dealings with him a number of years ago and id be saying no thanks to him as a select or.

tj ryan is best served to protect his future as a select or rather than getting involved in this setup. he has been too loyal to limerick hurling to allow his name be dragged through the mud next spring and summer because the boys he is with arent up to the job
No. 22
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Posted: 20-Jul-2008 01:25
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wake up slr

Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Would you mind elaborating?

No. 22
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Posted: 20-Jul-2008 01:27
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Originally posted by bawlslikeabull:
Why is a Limerick Leader writer on this site telling us his boss is to be come involved with the set up?Would you not be better advised to keep this for your own column.

because nobody bothers to read his column. at least if he posts it here he knows people will read it
uimhir a cuig
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Posted: 20-Jul-2008 05:17
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Originally posted by long danny:
The dream team for me would be Ciaran, Houlihan, Clarke and Kirby.

This is exactly the sort of management team i do not want to see! We need to bring in a group of people who are a bit distant from the players. You don`t want the management to be all pally pally with the players, as im sure the above four would be. Many commentators have remarked that the current Limerick management setup are too close to the players, that there is over and above the amount of bonding going on that should be going on. As one person who oversaw a recent training session noted: ``Is this a training session, or a bonding session?``

Managers are there to manage, to be respected and looked up to, they have to be in control and get close but not too close to the players.....something i feel the current setup made the mistake of doing.
long danny
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Posted: 20-Jul-2008 06:41
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Originally posted by No. 22:
i have been supporting limerick for 40 years and i have put up with fcuk up after fcuk up from the county board

this cannot be allowed to go ahead. we as supporters have to take action and launch a protest at the county board meeting. it is our money that is being wasted watching false dawn after false dawn. we are entitled to our say and the unanimous opinion here seems to be that messrs considine kiely and ryan are not wanted and have nothing to offer

what did considine ever achieve? winning a county with garryspillane was tainted by messing around with the players on the panel. bruree winning it the year after showed that considine was no miracle worker

martin kiely is only always looking at ways to boost his profile and ego. his articles on the paper have lacked consistency and he has slated the players. i had dealings with him a number of years ago and id be saying no thanks to him as a select  or.

tj ryan is best served to protect his future as a select  or rather than getting involved in this setup. he has been too loyal to limerick hurling to allow his name be dragged through the mud next spring and summer because the boys he is with arent up to the job

I have to agree with this and especially with the bit on TJ. I don`t know, but he may have something to offer in the future I hope he has.

The Limerick Leader has no business interfering with county hurling affairs, stick to rugby and society golf. Your article on Richie left a lot to be desired.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 22-Jul-2008 18:11
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Tim Crowe trained Limerick at some stage in the 1980s I am told. Can anyone elaborate further
liammac
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Posted: 22-Jul-2008 18:24
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Whatever the rights and wrongs of it Considine with TJ Ryan is surely a believable option but Martin Kiely??? What the hell?? The ultimate hurler on the ditch. How could any player have any time for him after his constant sniping in the leader?
sweetadare
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Posted: 22-Jul-2008 18:28
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Originally posted by liammac:
Whatever the rights and wrongs of it Considine with TJ Ryan is surely a believable option but Martin Kiely??? What the hell?? The ultimate hurler on the ditch. How could any player have any time for him after his constant sniping in the leader?
not to mention his cringe inducing radio commentary last saturday, littered with ridiculous cliches, canning is a genius compared to his awful choice of words, believe me...
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 22-Jul-2008 18:38
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Not according to Sean Kelly on todays examiner......

Didnt hear the commentary myself apart from a brief couple of seconds so I cannot comment

Originally posted by sweetadare:
not to mention his cringe inducing radio commentary last saturday, littered with ridiculous cliches, canning is a genius compared to his awful choice of words, believe me...

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