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Topic: The Dark Knight
Healy52007
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 14:24
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So whats everyone think of the movie?. I thought it left a lot open for a 3rd batman
Corbally Legend
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 14:31
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Yes but the non death of the Joker at the end really messed it up. I’d say they would have used him in some way in the 3rd movie but with Ledgers death that’s impossible. They will have to find a way now of resurrecting Harvey Dent/Two Face, make it that he didn’t actually die at the end of the film.
Biffo1984
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 14:34
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I though it was excellent, very dark and morbid, the way batman should be. Id give it 9/10. Joker is a great bad guy, the more over the top he is the better. Heath Ledger played him very well, pretty much owned every scene he was in. I also thought Aaron Eckhart was excellent as Harvey Dent.

I dont neccessarily think that there will be a third movie, I read an interview with Christopher Nolan saying that he wasn`t going to make a third movie, just because of the commercial success of the 2nd movie.

Nonetheless, I`d love to see a 3rd movie...Rumours are that Jonny Depp could play the Riddler and Philip Seymour-Hoffman play the Penguin.
Healy52007
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 14:35
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I dont think Harvey dent died in the end. He could be of been just knocked out and then the took him to the mental hospital.

James Franco is been rumored to play the joker in the 3rd batman movie. He was in spiderman movies
Joe's Toes
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 14:38
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I thought it the best Batman movie made yet by far
ShamBoballa
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 14:43
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It brought me back to reality when The Joker says at the end "We will always be enemies you and I".
Its such a shame Ledger is dead as I cant see too many "made" actors wanting to step in to fill his shoes.
As for the film itself, its excellent, saw it for the second time on monday nite. There was so much going on it needed a second run.
Bale was great as the playboy Wayne  (especially the Lambo scene ) , shame the Batman voice still grates..
Its reletively easy to play the psycho villan as any quirk or twitch is added to the character, I think playing Wayne/Batman is harder and Bale didnt dissappoint.
bofh
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:02
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Excellent film, I think it really pays homage to the comic books rather than the TV series`.

The Joker just doesn`t die, he`s Batman`s arch-nemisis. Appartantly there`s an additional 30 minutes that Nolan had to cut from the end of the film, I hope that`s the whole 2 face transformation, 2 face is too large a character to only have him show up for 10 minutes.

I have to admit to being a massive comic book fan so I am biased, but it is 1 of the better movies of the last few years, and for anyone looking for another fix of Batman or just want to see a good movie check out Batman the Killing Joke  (get the uncut version ) 
ShamBoballa
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:09
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bofh, I read that a few weeks ago. Not sure if it was uncut or not. There were defo hints of the Jokers modus operandi in that.

I do prefer not knowing what the Jokers origins were in the film, added a lot of humor to the final showdown!
bofh
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:13
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The Joker doesn`t need to have an origin as far as I am concerned, that just adds to the whole enigma that is the character, I really loved the way he gave different reasons for being who he was at different points in the movie, that was 1 of the highlights of the movie to me.

If you`ve read that and are into comics featuring the Joker check out the Return of the Joker, 1 of the best cartoons ever
cluaindiuic
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:26
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Originally posted by bofh:
The Joker doesn`t need to have an origin as far as I am concerned, that just adds to the whole enigma that is the character, I really loved the way he gave different reasons for being who he was at different points in the movie, that was 1 of the highlights of the movie to me.

If you`ve read that and are into comics featuring the Joker check out the Return of the Joker, 1 of the best cartoons ever

From the Two-Face Page on Wikipedia:

Producer Emma Thomas said that Two-Face`s fall at the hands of Batman was ambiguous enough to suggest that he may still be alive. Also, Eckhart has said that if given the chance, he "absolutely" would return to the role in a possible sequel.
cluaindiuic
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:28
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Originally posted by Healy52007:
I dont think Harvey dent died in the end. He could be of been just knocked out and then the took him to the mental hospital.

James Franco is been rumored to play the joker in the 3rd batman movie. He was in spiderman movies

I think Javier Bardem would be great as the joker. Not too far away from this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0kVdEGklkc&feature=related
bofh
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:29
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When I left I must admit that I was toying with the idea that they could lock 2 Face up in Arkhem to try to get him back nice and sane, that would leave the Joker, 2 Face and the Scarecrow in there together, just bring in Egg Head to break them out and bring chaos to Gothem...............
Biffo1984
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:36
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Scarecrow is out of Arkhem in it, remember in the early scene, where all the guys pretend that they`re batman.
bofh
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:42
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Yeah, but I presumed that they are all being left there to be picked up by the police

Arch Villans should not be killed off unless that is the end of their natural story line, I hate the way most arch villans never get the better of Batman, just a pet peeve, don`t start me on nipples on the batsuit
Biffo1984
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 15:45
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dont bats have nipples?
wakeuplads
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 17:26
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Heath Ledger was an absolute joy to watch. I loved every scene he was in.

It was a decent - good film overall, but no better than that. But Heath Ledger stole the show.

It reminds me a bit of `The Gangs of New York`. That was a decent film, but certainly not a brilliant film. But it was worth watching alone for Daniel Day Lewis` amazing performance as `Bill the Butcher`.
bofh
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 17:49
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IMVHO he personalised the Joker, he really nailed the part, I have always thought that playing characters from a comic book would be 1 of the most difficult roles to pull off, unlike "normal" books where it`s the reader imagination that is pointed to personalise the character, in comic books the character is on the page in front of you and you can almost see the manerisms of the characters, Ledger really nailed the part.

Watch the scene where he is taunting Batman  (who`s in the pod ) , he`s very understated saying "hit me", and mumbling away to himself trying to get Batman to kill him and compare it to Jack`s performance in the original movie when the Batwing was shooting at him, 2 almost identical scenes but 2 completely different performances, 1 understated, 1 overstated
Diamond Geezer
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 21:56
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Can`t understand what all the fuss is about over this film - I think a lot of people are pretending to like it because critics say they should and a lot of critics are pretending to like it because it`s bleak and dark and Heath Ledger died while it was being made. I`m completely baffled by the number of good reviews it`s getting.

I`ve seen it twice now because I was so disappointed by how bad it was the first time I saw it I thought it might have been something to do with my mood that night and went again to give it another chance. I didn`t change my opinion.

It`s far too long, several plot strands are completely superfluous, the sound quality is dreadful, Bale`s turns as Batman are comically wooden  (what`s with the silly voice, by the way? ) , Maggie Gyllenhall might as well not have been in it and Christopher Nolan`s attempt to ram home "the moral of the story" couldn`t be more over-the-top and patronising if he was standing outside the cinema afterwards with it painted on a placard. Worst of all, it`s really, really boring.

Stand-out performance for me was Gary Oldman as Gordon, but he didn`t die during the making of it, so gets overlooked for the bloke who did. Would everyone be raving over Ledger`s performance if he hadn`t popped his clogs? Obviously I`m only speculating, but I think: no way. Smudged mascara and talking fast with an occasional lick of the lips do not an Oscar-winning performance make.

Incidentally, this is the second thread on this film to go up on this forum containing loads of unmarked spoilers. Why do idiots feel the need to ruin the plot for others who have not seen it?
handyscore
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 22:20
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Originally posted by Diamond Geezer:
Can`t understand what all the fuss is about over this film - I think a lot of people are pretending to like it because critics say they should and a lot of critics are pretending to like it because it`s bleak and dark and Heath Ledger died while it was being made. I`m completely baffled by the number of good reviews it`s getting.

I`ve seen it twice now because I was so disappointed by how bad it was the first time I saw it I thought it might have been something to do with my mood that night and went again to give it another chance. I didn`t change my opinion.

It`s far too long, several plot strands are completely superfluous, the sound quality is dreadful, Bale`s turns as Batman are comically wooden    (what`s with the silly voice, by the way?   )   , Maggie Gyllenhall might as well not have been in it and Christopher Nolan`s attempt to ram home "the moral of the story" couldn`t be more over-the-top and patronising if he was standing outside the cinema afterwards with it painted on a placard. Worst of all, it`s really, really boring.

Stand-out performance for me was Gary Oldman as Gordon, but he didn`t die during the making of it, so gets overlooked for the bloke who did. Would everyone be raving over Ledger`s performance if he hadn`t popped his clogs? Obviously I`m only speculating, but I think: no way. Smudged mascara and talking fast with an occasional lick of the lips do not an Oscar-winning performance make.

Incidentally, this is the second thread on this film to go up on this forum containing loads of unmarked spoilers. Why do idiots feel the need to ruin the plot for others who have not seen it?

I have to agree, I thought it was ok just, I even went to see it a second time as I thought maybe I wasn`t in the right mood when I saw it first time round. It goes on too long , it ends with a whimper not a bang. One of the lads alluded to the fact that the director messed around with the ending and it looks like he made a mess of it. I don`t understand how so many people are raving about it. On imdb they were giving it 9.5 out of 10 at one stage and I can not understand why. I would give about 7 out of 10 myself. Heath Ledger is very good, but it is simply a typical Hollywood summer blockbuster movie that is proving very successful.

The movie of the year so far was an Irish one set in Belgium "In Bruges" Streets ahead of the rest including "Batman" and "No country for old men" imho. I think some of these superhero movies have an advantage with the critics as a lot of these guys would have been comic book fans when they were young.
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wakeuplads
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 22:22
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I don`t think you`re giving people enough credit. It would be pretty sad if people pretended they liked it because critics say they like it.

I think you`re wrong about the reasons people are raving about Heath Ledger. His performance was the only exceptional thing about the film. As I said in a post above, it was a decent to good film, but no better. But I thoroughly enjoyed every scene with the Joker. Played brilliantly by Ledger.

It`s obviously regretable  that someone so young passed away anyway - but he will be a huge loss to the acting world. I think he had the potential to be a truly great actor. We`ll obviously never know now.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Diamond Geezer:
Can`t understand what all the fuss is about over this film - I think a lot of people are pretending to like it because critics say they should and a lot of critics are pretending to like it because it`s bleak and dark and Heath Ledger died while it was being made.

Would everyone be raving over Ledger`s performance if he hadn`t popped his clogs? Obviously I`m only speculating, but I think: no way. Smudged mascara and talking fast with an occasional lick of the lips do not an Oscar-winning performance make.
ballygowan
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 22:49
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Originally posted by handyscore:


I have to agree, I thought it was ok just, I even went to see it a second time as I thought maybe I wasn`t in the right mood when I saw it first time round. It goes on too long , it ends with a whimper not a bang. One of the lads alluded to the fact that the director messed around with the ending and it looks like he made a mess of it. I don`t understand how so many people are raving about it. On imdb they were giving it 9.5 out of 10 at one stage and I can not understand why. I would give about 7 out of 10 myself. Heath Ledger is very good, but it is simply a typical Hollywood summer blockbuster movie that is proving very successful.

The movie of the year so far was an Irish one set in Belgium "In Bruges" Streets ahead of the rest including "Batman" and "No country for old men" imho. I think some of these superhero movies have an advantage with the critics as a lot of these guys would have been comic book fans when they were young.

In Bruges is awful! It`s just a lot of swearing for no reason. Has anyone seen Kings or Into the Wild or Juno. All superior to Batman and NCFOM and In Bruges!
Diamond Geezer
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 22:51
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Originally posted by wakeuplads:
I don`t think you`re giving people enough credit. It would be pretty sad if people pretended they liked it because critics say they like it.

Everyone`s entitled to their own opinions and I hope everyone is forming their own opinions, but there`s definitely something suspicious about a film that has so many obviously huge flaws and shortcomings being so rapturously received by critics and punters alike. I can`t be the only person that noticed that at one stage about two-thirds of the way through  (I don`t want to say exactly where for fear of giving away the plot )  this is a complete structural mess that Nolan *just about* salvages by the long overdue end. It could and should have been a hell of a lot better in my opinion.
handyscore
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 22:53
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On the subject of Heath Ledger, did anyone see that the Olsen girl they wanted to interview won`t talk to the police unless she has immunity.?????????WTF is that all about? Things are getting strange there. Obviously I don`t know if she has anything to do with his death, but you have to talk to the police to clear things up right?

The curse of batman strikes again, Morgan Freeman is now getting divorced.
handyscore
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 23:00
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Originally posted by ballygowan:


In Bruges is awful! It`s just a lot of swearing for no reason. Has anyone seen Kings or Into the Wild or Juno. All superior to Batman and NCFOM and In Bruges!

Are you the 80 year old granny who was on Failte towers giving out about the hen party with the male stripper. "Swearing in Movies" well I never. Don`t go to the cinema if you don`t want to listen to swearing, go to Bingo instead.
wakeuplads
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Posted: 06-Aug-2008 23:00
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Wasn`t Morgan Freeman also in a car accident a few days ago? I think his car turned over several times and he was brought to hospital. Not sure how seriously he was injured.

Originally posted by handyscore:
On the subject of Heath Ledger, did anyone see that the Olsen girl they wanted to interview won`t talk to the police unless she has immunity.?????????WTF is that all about? Things are getting strange there. Obviously I don`t know if she has anything to do with his death, but you have to talk to the police to clear things up right?

The curse of batman strikes again, Morgan Freeman is now getting divorced.

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