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Waterford 1948
camann
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Waterford won both senior and minor All Irelands on the same day in 1948 but wore different jerseys. The seniors wore the natural white while the minors I think wore blue ( of Munster I take it ) . The minors played Kilkenny who wear they natural black and amber. Could anyone tell me why the minors donned blue jerseys?
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Because the seniors were playing Dublin and so had to change their jersey`s????
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camann
Tom Keith`s book "the Colours Blue and White" contains the following passage on page 130
"In all the pictures of the minors that year, the team jerseys they wore seemed to be different. In the Munster Final they wore a hooped shirt, while in the semi final, they wore a shirt full of dark blue colour. On at least one occasion they wore a set of jerseys belonging to Mount Sion and perhaps in view of post war austerities they were lucky to have even those."
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I was unsure about it sid and as a Mount Sion man who should know that they have gone through a various array of jersey from the standard blue , to the Laois one, hoops, reversal of the laois one etc...
I would have thought that at the time the county board could come up with two different sets of jerseys
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=RokBZUNPS9A
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Yeah camann, Cnoc Sion went from the hoops to the plain blue in the 70s. The hoops made a comeback for the under age team inthe mid 80s but there was a sense that they were a bit hexed for some reason and the predominantly blue kit took hold again.
As regards the 48 minors I`d say the county board were on their uppers and so long as they had any oul set of blue jerseys that was enough.
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great clip Camann.
camann
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Sid would you have both teams (minor and senior ) off hand from 48?
Lord Snide
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25-Aug-2008 22:39
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Senior: - 1948
J. Ware, A. Fleming, J. Cusack, J. Goode, M. Hickey, V. Baston, M. Hayes, J. O`Connor, E. Carew, K. O`Connor, J. Keane, C. Moylan, W. Galvin, E. Daly, T. Curran
Minor: -1948
S. O`Flynn, M. Morrissey, S. Hayden, M. Hogan, V. Walsh, M. Kelleher, T. Cunningham, J. Conlon, T. Gallagher, W. Conway, M. Flannelly, M. O`Connor, M. McHugh, P. O`Connor, M. Browne
camann
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Originally posted by Lord Snide:
Senior: - 1948
J. Ware, A. Fleming, J. Cusack, J. Goode, M. Hickey, V. Baston, M. Hayes, J. O`Connor, E. Carew, K. O`Connor, J. Keane, C. Moylan, W. Galvin, E. Daly, T. Curran
Minor: -1948
S. O`Flynn, M. Morrissey, S. Hayden, M. Hogan, V. Walsh, M. Kelleher, T. Cunningham, J. Conlon, T. Gallagher, W. Conway, M. Flannelly, M. O`Connor, M. McHugh, P. O`Connor, M. Browne
Would you have the clubs?
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senior
J Ware Erin`s Own
A Fleming Mount Sion
J Cusack Clonea
J Goode Dungarvan
M Hickey Portlaw
V Baston Army
M Hayes Butlerstown
J O`Connor UCD
E Carew Erin`s Own
K O`Connor Erin`s Own
J Keane Mount Sion
C Moylan Dungarvan
W Galvin Clonea
E Daly UCD
T Curran Dungarvan
minor
J Flynn Cappoquin
M Morrissey Mount Sion
S Hayden Mount Sion
M Hogan Dungarvan
T Cunningham Dungarvan
M Kelliher Cappoquin
V Walsh Cappoquin
T Gallagher Mount Sion
J Conlon Mount Sion
M O`Connor Cappoquin
M Flannelly Mount Sion
W Conway Cappoquin
M McHugh Dungarvan
P O Connor Dungarvan
M Browne Cappoquin
LimerickNomad
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25-Aug-2008 22:58
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Originally posted by camann:
Sid would you have both teams (minor and senior ) off hand from 48?
Have 1948 Munster Hurling Final Programme. Will Swap
For Any Of 1940 *2, 1944 *2 or 1946 Munster Hurling Final
Programmes. Officials Only, Please! Apply Within.
Ciaran careys hurling army
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25-Aug-2008 23:30
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Originally posted by sid wallace:
minor
J Flynn Cappoquin
M Morrissey Mount Sion
S Hayden Mount Sion
M Hogan Dungarvan
T Cunningham Dungarvan
M Kelliher Cappoquin
V Walsh Cappoquin
T Gallagher Mount Sion
J Conlon Mount Sion
M O`Connor Cappoquin
M Flannelly Mount Sion
W Conway Cappoquin
M McHugh Dungarvan
P O Connor Dungarvan
M Browne Cappoquin
3 clubs!! I wonder where the select ors were from?
Giveitfong
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26-Aug-2008 02:23
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Up until the 1960s the Waterford minor teams wore the jerseys of the county minor champions from the year before. I presume Dungarvan won the minor hurling championship in 1947. I remember the day when the Waterford senior footballers beat Cork in the championship in Lismore in 1960, the minors that day wore the Abbeyside colours, the Village having beaten Tramore in the 1950 final famously by one point to no score (the point scored by Austin Cashin, older brother of Nicky ) . I presume the county board were simply too mean to buy a set of minor jerseys - a tightness which continued to afflict the organisation until quite recently. Incidentally, that minor team drew with Cork (1-4 to 0-7 ) but lost the replay. Waterford obviously were not that far behind the top rung in football in those days. The score in the senior game was 1-9 to 0-11, the Waterford goal coming from a late penalty after the Cork fullback for some reason threw the ball out after fielding it in the square.
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26-Aug-2008 08:02
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Originally posted by Ciaran careys hurling army:
3 clubs!! I wonder where the select ors were from?
Well one of them was from Cappoquin, but his name escapes me now...
A small plaque outside the cappoquin pitch commerates `the magnificent seven`
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Mount Sion were minor champions and in the middle of a sox in a row. In 1947 they beat Cappoquin 6-8 to 5-1 in the final and in 1948 they beat Dungarvan 2-10 to 0-5.
the select ors were Brother Murray from Dungarvan and Brother O`Connor from Lismore, Pat Fanning and Mick Gallagher from Mount Sion and Paddy Cunningham from Cappoquin
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Originally posted by Incognito:
Well one of them was from Cappoquin, but his name escapes me now...
A small plaque outside the cappoquin pitch commerates `the magnificent seven`
There`s a picture of that magnificent seven on the 1972 Waterford year book An Deiseach.
THE LINK WALSH
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26-Aug-2008 10:27
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Originally posted by sid wallace:
senior
J Ware Erin`s Own
A Fleming Mount Sion
J Cusack Clonea
J Goode Dungarvan
M Hickey Portlaw
V Baston Army
M Hayes Butlerstown
J O`Connor UCD
E Carew Erin`s Own
K O`Connor Erin`s Own
J Keane Mount Sion
C Moylan Dungarvan
W Galvin Clonea
E Daly UCD
T Curran Dungarvan
minor
J Flynn Cappoquin
M Morrissey Mount Sion
S Hayden Mount Sion
M Hogan Dungarvan
T Cunningham Dungarvan
M Kelliher Cappoquin
V Walsh Cappoquin
T Gallagher Mount Sion
J Conlon Mount Sion
M O`Connor Cappoquin
M Flannelly Mount Sion
W Conway Cappoquin
M McHugh Dungarvan
P O Connor Dungarvan
M Browne Cappoquin
I knew John Cusack,Moonminane Clonea,a gentleman whom you would never tire of having conversation with, he was a great full back im told.He died at home while watching the 2002 AI semi Final,not a bad way to go i suppose.I met Michael Hayes from Butlerstown a few times but wouldnt really have known him.
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26-Aug-2008 10:36
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Limerick did it in 1940.
Waterford in 1948.
Clare also completed it in 1997.
No one else outside the top three have done it?
Ciaran careys hurling army
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Originally posted by sid wallace:
Mount Sion were minor champions and in the middle of a sox in a row. In 1947 they beat Cappoquin 6-8 to 5-1 in the final and in 1948 they beat Dungarvan 2-10 to 0-5.
the select ors were Brother Murray from Dungarvan and Brother O`Connor from Lismore, Pat Fanning and Mick Gallagher from Mount Sion and Paddy Cunningham from Cappoquin
Brother O`connor may not have been much of a man for an argument.
sid wallace
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Originally posted by Ciaran careys hurling army:
3 clubs!! I wonder where the select ors were from?
and all bar one of the subs (who was from Ferrybank ) were from the same clubs.
In fairness I wouldn`t have thought that that there were too many minor teams in the county at the time any way.
Luimneach Celt
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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
Limerick did it in 1940.
Waterford in 1948.
Clare also completed it in 1997.
No one else outside the top three have done it?
Wexford won the minor and senior double in 1968.
laochra gael
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26-Aug-2008 17:54
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good article about Andy Fleming from last weeks New & Star
Tough times but great memories for All-Ireland hero
By Marion O’Mara
SIXTY years ago this September, Ferrybank man Andy Fleming picked up an All-Ireland winner’s medal which still takes pride of place among his numerous other hurling accolades.
Though he has long since hung up his boots the sprightly 92-year-old hasn’t paid too many visits back to Croke Park since picking up his winner’s medal in 1948.
“I went back in 1959 and never returned again until last Sunday when I was guest of the GAA president, Nicky Brennan,” he told the Waterford News & Star yesterday (Tuesday ) .
“It’s the only way to go to Croke Park now — I hardly had to walk a step — I had a lovely lunch and I was able to watch the game in great comfort,” he added.
Though Andy lost the sight of his right eye a couple of years ago he didn’t miss a single piece of the action and even passed comment on the fouls and frees not blown up by the referee.
Asked what he made of all the changes in recent years at ‘headquarters’ he said, “the only change is at the two ends of the pitch – the Davin Stand and the famed Hill 16.
Andy, however, sees big changes in the approach by players to the game and believes that players get away with much more than those of his era used to. “In my day you couldn’t put a hand on an opponent without being penalised and if you got hit you’d be very slow to go down,” he said.
The game today is, he believes, more about fitness than the science of the game. Back in the 1940’s a player would reach for a ball at the risk of losing a couple of fingers. “I just don’t understand why they do that instead of doubling on the ball,” he said.
Andy Fleming is convinced that the hurlers of the bygone era played a different game probably because fitness didn’t come into it as much as skill and because there wasn’t as much running around there was no need for bottles of water and there was never a hamstring injury.
“Going around with bottles of water — even for people just going for a walk is mental,” he said. Andy Fleming was born in Co. Laois on April 16, 1916 — the day of the Easter Rising. He was brought up in Waterford, initially in Stradbally, and played his first game of minor hurling in 1933.
He played at every level, winning county, Railway Cup and the coveted All Ireland senior hurling medal. He also played football for Stradbally and recalls the occasions when he finished work with CIÉ at 6 p.m. on Saturday evening. “I’d come home to Marymount have my tea, pack my kit and my pyjamas in the saddlebag of the bike and head off the 22 miles to Stradbally where I would spend the night. The following morning I’d head to Mass then cycle the other 10 miles to Dungarvan to play a match.
“Because I came from the city I’d be the only member of the team to get my tea in Lawlor’s. Then I’d join the team in the bar for a large bottle of Guinness before cycling home.
“Often I would head out to a dance at the Olympia and dance until 2.30 in the morning — now they are talking about hamstrings,” he said. Training was also a different story back in Andy Fleming’s day. Instead of a number of formal sessions a week he said they trained every night. “We just went out and played until it got dark,” he recalled.
While the training was robust and the matches even more so, he says he made many great friends in the game. Among his best pals were the late great Ollie Walsh and Jack Lynch.
“We never spoke to each other on the pitch but off it we were the best of friends,” he said. Sixty years on from winning his All Ireland medal Andy Fleming is as enthusiastic about the game as ever. Last Sunday his dream of many years came true as Waterford reached another final.
Asked if he would be in Croker on September 7 he said, “Sure I wouldn’t be able to walk far or push through the crowds but if I could get an invite like last Sunday I’d be delighted.”
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Make sure that fella travels to the final! He`s your only hope!
Even get him a jersey... I heard there was a good one for sale
on eBay last week : ) .
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Originally posted by LimerickNomad:
Make sure that fella travels to the final! He`s your only hope!
Even get him a jersey... I heard there was a good one for sale
on eBay last week : ) .
does anyone have the full panel of players??
for both senior and minor? please and thanks
Cnoc Sion Abu
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Originally posted by laochra gael:
good article about Andy Fleming from last weeks New & Star
Tough times but great memories for All-Ireland hero
By Marion O’Mara
SIXTY years ago this September, Ferrybank man Andy Fleming picked up an All-Ireland winner’s medal which still takes pride of place among his numerous other hurling accolades.
Though he has long since hung up his boots the sprightly 92-year-old hasn’t paid too many visits back to Croke Park since picking up his winner’s medal in 1948.
“I went back in 1959 and never returned again until last Sunday when I was guest of the GAA president, Nicky Brennan,” he told the Waterford News & Star yesterday (Tuesday ) .
“It’s the only way to go to Croke Park now — I hardly had to walk a step — I had a lovely lunch and I was able to watch the game in great comfort,” he added.
Though Andy lost the sight of his right eye a couple of years ago he didn’t miss a single piece of the action and even passed comment on the fouls and frees not blown up by the referee.
Asked what he made of all the changes in recent years at ‘headquarters’ he said, “the only change is at the two ends of the pitch – the Davin Stand and the famed Hill 16.
Andy, however, sees big changes in the approach by players to the game and believes that players get away with much more than those of his era used to. “In my day you couldn’t put a hand on an opponent without being penalised and if you got hit you’d be very slow to go down,” he said.
The game today is, he believes, more about fitness than the science of the game. Back in the 1940’s a player would reach for a ball at the risk of losing a couple of fingers. “I just don’t understand why they do that instead of doubling on the ball,” he said.
Andy Fleming is convinced that the hurlers of the bygone era played a different game probably because fitness didn’t come into it as much as skill and because there wasn’t as much running around there was no need for bottles of water and there was never a hamstring injury.
“Going around with bottles of water — even for people just going for a walk is mental,” he said. Andy Fleming was born in Co. Laois on April 16, 1916 — the day of the Easter Rising. He was brought up in Waterford, initially in Stradbally, and played his first game of minor hurling in 1933.
He played at every level, winning county, Railway Cup and the coveted All Ireland senior hurling medal. He also played football for Stradbally and recalls the occasions when he finished work with CIÉ at 6 p.m. on Saturday evening. “I’d come home to Marymount have my tea, pack my kit and my pyjamas in the saddlebag of the bike and head off the 22 miles to Stradbally where I would spend the night. The following morning I’d head to Mass then cycle the other 10 miles to Dungarvan to play a match.
“Because I came from the city I’d be the only member of the team to get my tea in Lawlor’s. Then I’d join the team in the bar for a large bottle of Guinness before cycling home.
“Often I would head out to a dance at the Olympia and dance until 2.30 in the morning — now they are talking about hamstrings,” he said. Training was also a different story back in Andy Fleming’s day. Instead of a number of formal sessions a week he said they trained every night. “We just went out and played until it got dark,” he recalled.
While the training was robust and the matches even more so, he says he made many great friends in the game. Among his best pals were the late great Ollie Walsh and Jack Lynch.
“We never spoke to each other on the pitch but off it we were the best of friends,” he said. Sixty years on from winning his All Ireland medal Andy Fleming is as enthusiastic about the game as ever. Last Sunday his dream of many years came true as Waterford reached another final.
Asked if he would be in Croker on September 7 he said, “Sure I wouldn’t be able to walk far or push through the crowds but if I could get an invite like last Sunday I’d be delighted.”
I was talking to Andy last night. He is 93 and would pass for seventy.
Andy was one of the greats - he has seven Railway Cup medals.
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