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ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 11:31	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	sung by ALL rangers fans at their previous 3 away games Famine Song I often wonder where they would have been If we hadn`t have taken them in Fed them and washed them Thousands in Glasgow alone From Ireland they came Brought us nothing but trouble and shame Well the famine is over Why don`t they go home? Now Athenry Mike was a thief And Large John he was fully briefed And that wee traitor from Castlemilk Turned his back on his own They`ve all their Papists in Rome They have U2 and Bono Well the famine is over Why don`t they go home? INSTRUMENTAL Now they raped and fondled their kids That`s what those perverts from the darkside did And they swept it under the carpet and Large John he hid Their evils seeds have been sown Cause they`re not of our own Well the famine is over Why don`t you go home? Now Timmy don`t take it from me Cause if you know your history You`ve persecuted thousands of people In Ireland alone You turned on the lights Fuelled U boats by night That`s how you repay us It`s time to go home.
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 11:36	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	What is you opinion on Celtic fans directing plane noises at American players after 9/11?
Gaillimharais (752 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 11:40	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Gaillimharais (752 Posts)	Originally posted by Peter Robinson: What is you opinion on Celtic fans directing plane noises at American players after 9/11? Which American players?? What Celtic fans?? What game?? When did it happen after 9/11??
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 11:45	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Originally posted by Gaillimharais: Which American players?? What Celtic fans?? What game?? When did it happen after 9/11?? It is well documented, Claudia Reyna was subject to disgusting abuse from the "greatest fans in the world" during an old firm game just weeks after 9/11, not to mention Celtic fans depraved abuse concerning the Ibrox disaster.
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 11:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	PR try your best to differentiate between the actions of 1 moron to that of 4000 organized Rangers away Fans at Celtic Park dont give me your tit for tat 5hite Rangers fans are a disgrace, they disgraced themselves in Barcelona last year and then disgraced themselves big time on Manchester and we all know that the ringleaders in this "mob" are your kin and ilk gettting the boat and plane over to Glasgow every weekend the song above is a fücking disgrace, your bobby sands song is a disgrace and your BJK campaign is total and utter rank Originally posted by Peter Robinson: What is you opinion on Celtic fans directing plane noises at American players after 9/11?
chewfáile (698 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 12:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
chewfáile (698 Posts)	Originally posted by ilpostino: sung by ALL rangers fans at their previous 3 away games the lights Fuelled U boats by night That`s how you repay us It`s time to go home. As a matter of interest ip, how do you know this was sung by all fans at their last 3 away games ?
criodain (785 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 12:49	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
criodain (785 Posts)	celtic fans are the same, shower of w@nkers, barstool `RA heads.. celtic are as british as rangers... why not support hibs or dundee, other "oirish" clubs in scotland...
hbvolvic (345 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 12:50	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
hbvolvic (345 Posts)	what tune is it sung to?
John Holmes (1,333 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 12:57	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
John Holmes (1,333 Posts)	What about all those of Scottish/English ancestry (like Peter ) in the North who still pledge their allegiance to Britain. Do the Rangers supporters feel it is time for them to come home? Do they have a ballad lamenting their exiled kin? And Cletus and Rastus and Jebediah sitting outside the trailer-home playing the banjo and drinking hooch in Tennesee , and all those others of what the Americans call Scots/Irish , would the Rangers fans feel it is time for them to come home to bonnie Scotland?
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 13:05	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	is it possible you can use more cliches in such a small space Glasgow Celtic is the only Scottish club proud of its Irish roots, this has nothing to do with bar stools or "orishness" or anything of that nature to compare Cletic fans to that shower just demonstates your lack of education Originally posted by criodain: celtic fans are the same, shower of w@nkers, barstool `RA heads.. celtic are as british as rangers... why not support hibs or dundee, other "oirish" clubs in scotland... This message has been edited - 18-sep-2008 @ 13:19
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 13:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
ilpostino (1,746 Posts)	it was organised on the Rangers "follow folow" website the lyrics were distrbuted on the web and a "call to arms" was issued prior to the Celtic Park game Originally posted by chewfáile: As a matter of interest ip, how do you know this was sung by all fans at their last 3 away games ?
model born (280 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 13:15	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
model born (280 Posts)	Peadar, a couple of questions I have been meaning to ask you for a while. Why did those wonderful Scottish fans boo your anthem at a recent soccer game? How did this treatment by fellow royalists make you feel?
Gaillimharais (752 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 13:18	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Gaillimharais (752 Posts)	Rangers fans pose beside their latest good deed Rangers extend their hospitality to the people of Manchester In fairness their female supporters are quite good looking
Dig Dagga Dave (298 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 13:23	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Dig Dagga Dave (298 Posts)	Originally posted by model born: Peadar, a couple of questions I have been meaning to ask you for a while. Why did those wonderful Scottish fans boo your anthem at a recent soccer game? How did this treatment by fellow royalists make you feel? Peter, were you once a resident of the Kincora boys home by any chance?
sweetadare (1,310 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:13	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
sweetadare (1,310 Posts)	Originally posted by Peter Robinson: What is you opinion on Celtic fans directing plane noises at American players after 9/11? you always have some smart feeble answer dont you, you c**w!!
chewfáile (698 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:34	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
chewfáile (698 Posts)	Originally posted by ilpostino: it was organised on the Rangers "follow folow" website the lyrics were distrbuted on the web and a "call to arms" was issued prior to the Celtic Park game Thanks. It`s hardly proof tthat ALL Rangers fans sung it though. Forgive my ignorance but who`s Large John? And the wee traitor from Castlemilk?
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:37	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Originally posted by model born: Peadar, a couple of questions I have been meaning to ask you for a while. Why did those wonderful Scottish fans boo your anthem at a recent soccer game? How did this treatment by fellow royalists make you feel? You won`t see many loyalists at Scotland games old chum, in any case most anthems get booed at Hampeden, nothing new there. No doubt it was the nationalist element of the support.
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:38	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
Peter Robinson (424 Posts)	Originally posted by ilpostino: is it possible you can use more cliches in such a small space Glasgow Celtic is the only Scottish club proud of its Irish roots, this has nothing to do with bar stools or "orishness" or anything of that nature to compare Cletic fans to that shower just demonstates your lack of education A vile club that sings songs about 9/11 and the Ibrox disaster, not to mention its attempts at hiding other dark secrets
inaroundthehouse (605 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:42	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
inaroundthehouse (605 Posts)	These vile spewing wretched people who subscribe to such hatefilled words and thoughts bring shame only upon themselves, they are a disgrace to their community and families, devoid of common decency, respect and tolerance they continue the legacy of their forefathers, anyone who would defend such vitreol by ignoring it is complicit, the moronic idiot who uses the pen name Peter Robinson seeks to detract from such behaviour by mentioning some other brand of likekind, grow some balls with your brain and recognise and call this behaviour for what it is.
JHume (3,067 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:44	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JHume (3,067 Posts)	Scotland likes to brand itself as the best small country in the world, and the Scottish exc utive is fond of the `one Scotland many cultures` tag line. But for one culture in particular, it rings very hollow. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OkIC1iN9fM It`s tragic that Scotland cannot bring itself to acknowledge the anti-Irish racism that infests many aspects of life there.
wexfordclockend (55 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:46	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
wexfordclockend (55 Posts)	It would certainly appear the 1848 era famine effected Ulster Presberterians as much as Catholics according to this article. http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-2049298_ITM " UNTIL very recently, scholars have neglected the Great Famines impact on the northern Irish province of Ulster and especially its impact on Ulsters Protestant inhabitants. This neglect stemmed in part from historians reading of published census and other data indicating that the Norths general experience of excess mortality and emigration in 1845-52 was indeed less catastrophic than that of southern and western Ireland. Thus, whereas between 1841 and 1851 the populations of Munster and Connacht declined by 22.5 and 28.8 percent, respectively, that of Ulster fell "only" 19.8 percent. (2 ) To be sure, Joel Mokyr and other scholars have noted that several counties in south or "outer" Ulster__Monaghan, for example, and especially Cavan__witnessed high rates of famine mortality, but this is commonly understood by reference to the fact that their populations were composed predominantly of Catholic petty farmers and cottiers. (3 ) By contrast, conventional wisdom holds that Northeast Ulster or, even more broadly, the six counties that later became Northern Ireland__and particularly their Protestant inhabitants__escaped the famine with comparatively minimal damage, whether measured in excess mortality or in abnormally heavy out-migration. To explain this apparent phenomenon, historians often have cited socio-economic and cultural factors relatively unique to Northeast Ulster, such as industrialization and urbanization, the prevalence of tenant right and comparatively congenial landlord-tenant relations, and, among the rural populace, a greater variety of income sources and less dietary dependence on potatoes than prevailed in Munster and Connacht. (4 ) However, some scholars may inadvertently have repeated contemporary claims by Irish unionists, who argued that "Ulster"__i.e., its Protestant inhabitants__eluded the famine because of the provinces superior "character" for industry, virtue, and loyalty. But in reality, many Protestant as well as Catholic Ulstermen and -women suffered grievously. Between 1841 and 1851 Ulsters population fell by nearly one-fifth__significantly more than the 15.3 percent decline that occurred in heavily Catholic Leinster. During the same period the number of inhabitants of the future Northern Ireland fell 14.7 percent (or 13 percent if Belfasts burgeoning population is included ) , and in the four northeastern counties that in 1861 had Protestant majorities (Antrim, Armagh, Down, and Londonderry ) , the comparable decline was 12.1 percent (or, including Belfast, nearly 10 percent ) . (5 ) Of course, it is likely that northeastern Catholics suffered more severely than did Protestants, and it is probable that population losses in the region, particularly among Protestants, were primarily due to out-migration rather than to the effects of starvation and disease. (6 ) However, as David Miller has argued, in the prefamine decades the contraction of rural weaving and spinning had create d in Ulster an impoverished Protestant underclass whose members vulnerability to the crisis of 1845-52 can be compared with that of Catholic cottiers and laborers in the South and West. Furthermore, Miller points out, some poor Protestants in Northeast Ulster did perish of malnutrition or "famine fever," even in areas adjacent to thriving industrial centers. And Mokyrs estimated excess-mortality rates for heavily Protestant County Antrim, as well as for the roughly half-Protestant counties of Armagh, Fermanagh, and Tyrone (all four in the future Northern Ireland ) , exceed those in most parts of Leinster. (7 ) Unfortunately, not until 1861 did the official Irish censuses record religious affiliations, and so it is impossible to gauge precisely or compare population losses among Ulsters Protestants and Catholics between 1841 and 1851. And although the Irish Commissioners of Public Instruction compiled parish-based religious censuses in 1831 and 1834, few scholars have tried to correlate these data with those of 1861. (8 ) Thus the authors of the most recent comprehensive study of the famine in Ulster made few attempts to distinguish between Protestant and Catholic experiences, (9 ) and the subject awaits detailed research in church, estate, and other records. Yet much evidence indicates that Protestants suffered heavy losses, primarily through emigration but also to a degree from disease and malnutrition, (10 ) in many areas of Northeast Ulster. For example, David Miller concludes that between 1845 and 1861 the Presbyterian population of Maghera, Co. Derry, fell by about 30 percent. (11 ) Likewise, between 1841 and 1851 the number of inhabitants in ten heavily Protestant, contiguous parishes in mid- and East Antrim declined overall by more than 14 percent, (12 ) and losses in some parishes were comparable to those in parts of Munster and Connacht. For example, in 1841-51 the population of Glenwhirry parish (92 percent Protestant in 1831 ) fell nearly 23 percent, that of Raloo (84 percent Protestant ) by more than 24 percent, and that of Killyglen Grange (81 percent Protestant ) by nearly 21 percent. (13 ) Significantly, the Protestant inhabitants of these Antrim parishes were in 1831 overwhelmingly Presbyterians: for instance, nearly 100 percent in Glenwhirry. 92 percent in Raloo. and 97 percent in Killyglen Grange.Indeed, much evidence suggests that the famines effects were not evenly distributed among Ulsters Protestants, and that Presbyterians experienced substantially greater attrition than did members of the legally established Church of Ireland. For example, during the period 1831-61, spanning the famine crisis, Ulsters Presbyterian population fell by nearly 18 per cent, compared with a less than 13 percent decline among Anglicans (and a 19 percent decrease among Catholics ) . (14 ) In 1831-61 proportional losses among Ulsters Presbyterians were greater than for Anglicans in eight of the provinces nine counties. only in Fermanagh, with its minuscule Presbyterian population, did the percentage decline among communicants of the Church of Ireland exceed that experienced by Presbyterians (or by Catholics ) . Moreover, only in Antrim (excluding Belfast ) and in Down were Presbyterian attrition rates slightly less than those of Catholics. In Antrim (excluding Belfast ) , for instance, between 1831 and 1861 the Presbyterian and the Catholic populations declined by 7 and 10 percent, respectively, but the number of Anglicans increased by more than 12 percent. Likewise, Armaghs Anglican population fell merely 8 percent, compared with a 31 percent decline among Presbyterians (and a 16 percent decrease among Catholics ) . and in County Londonderry the number of Anglicans rose by 1 percent, while that of Presbyterians fell 28.5 percent (and of Catholics, 13 percent ) . Even in the predominantly Catholic "outer" Ulster counties of Cavan, Donegal, and Monaghan, proportional losses among Presbyterians in 1831-61 exceeded those among Anglicans and Catholics alike. To be sure, between 1831 and 1861 the Catholic proportion of Ulsters total inhabitants declined from 53 percent to 50.5 percent. However, whereas the famine and the emigrations immediately preceding and following that crisis made Ulster more heavily Protestant, they also made the North and its Protestant populace less Presbyterian and more Anglican. Thus, between 1831 and 1861 the Presbyterian proportions of Ulsters overall and Protestant populations declined from 27 percent to 26 percent and from 57 percent to 53 percent, respectively. In northeast Ulster, the heartland of the future Northern Ireland, the changes in the balance between Presbyterians and Anglicans were more striking. For instance, in Antrim (excluding Belfast ) , the Presbyterian percentage of the Protestant population declined from 76 to 70.5, while the Anglican proportion rose from less than 22 percent to more than 24 percent. in Armagh the comparable Presbyterian decrease was from 40.5 percent to 32 percent, and the Anglican rise from 58 percent to 60 percent. in Down the Presbyterian decline was from 71 percent to 66 percent, and the Anglican increase from 27 percent to 30 percent. and in Londonderry the Presbyterian decrease was from 73 percent to 64 percent, while the Anglican share of the countys Protestants rose from 25 percent to 31 percent. (15 ) These trends would continue for at least the next half-century: between 1861 and 1926 the Protestant share of the population in the area that in 1920 became Northern Ireland rose from 57 percent to 66.5 percent, whereas the Presbyterian proportion of the statelets Protestant inhabitants declined from 60 percent to 46 percent, while the percentage of Protestants who were members of the Church of Ireland rose from 38 to 40. (16 ) Scholars have scarcely examined these demographic trends, although the shifting balance between Ulsters Presbyterians and Anglicans may have begun with the heavy "Scots-Irish" emigrations of the mid- and late eighteenth century. Nor have historians considered their possible political ramifications__e.g., for the consolidation of Ulster Protestant loyalism and conservatism, both traditionally Anglican projects__although the remarkable attrition of Presbyterians in many mid-Ulster parishes between 1766 and 1831, accompanied by equally startling proportional increases among the areas Anglicans, suggests that local Dissenters, no less than Catholics, may have suffered severely from the rise of Orangeism and the triumph of loyalism in the 1790s and early 1800s. (17 ) More pertinent to this study, however, is that quantitative as well as qualitative evidence indicates that many of Ulsters Protestants, especially its Presbyterians and even in its most economically "advanced" counties, did not escape the horrors of Black 47 and other famine years. I How did ordinary northern Protestants, particularly Presbyterians, respond to the travails they endured and witnessed between 1845 and 1852? In the famines aftermath contemporaries observed, and historians subsequently have confirmed, the famine__and Irish and Irish-American nationalists anglophobic interpretations of that crisis__engendered lasting bitterness among Irish Catholics both at home and in the US, fueling desires for vengeance against the British government and Irelands Protestant landlords that found expression, from the 1860s through the early 1920s, in Catholic Irish and Irish-American support for the Fenian, Land League, Home Rule, and independence movements. In addition, some scholars have argued that such expressions also served hegemonic and psychological functions, enabling Catholics in Ireland and overseas to project onto alien "others" feelings of anger and shame: anger that might have been directed against wealthier co-religionists__shopkeepers and "land-grabbers"__who benefited from the plight of starving peasants and evicted neighbors. and shame__for their poverty, humiliation, and self-saving violations of communal ties and constraints__that, if not externalized, might have had destructive personal consequences. (18 ) During the famine years a few Ulster Presbyterian emigrants wrote letters revealing anti-British and anti-landlord sentiments comparable to those expressed by Irish and Irish-American Catholics. (19 ) In general, however, Ulster Protestants political culture, as it had developed on both sides of the Atlantic since the Act of Union, allowed for neither a nationalist nor a class-based interpretation of the famine experience. In Protestant Ulster itself, for example, although Anglican-Dissenter and landlord-tenant conflicts remained common, between the early 1800s and the 1840s a combination of socio-economic, religious, and political factors (not least of which was mass emigration by disaffected Presbyterians ) had virtually eradicated among northern Protestants the ecumenical radicalism of the United Irishmen__creating instead a pervasive, hegemonic loyalism to the union with Britain and to its Irish upper- and middle-class Protestant champions, as well as a corresponding hostility to Irish nationalist movements" Rest of article online at link
JHume (3,067 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:48	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
JHume (3,067 Posts)	Originally posted by chewfáile: Forgive my ignorance but who`s Large John? And the wee traitor from Castlemilk? Large John is Jock Stein, former Celtic and Scotland manager. As far as I know, the wee traitor from Castlemilk is Aiden McGeady. Of course, Scots born players who represent other national sides aren`t branded traitors, and the Scots themselves have welcomed many non-Scottish born players into their `national` side.
googleys return (628 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 16:52	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
googleys return (628 Posts)	We need an Irish Hitler/Cromwell style butcher to get rid of this scourge from our country Id say lads. Any volunteers? Fear not Peadar your name would be near top of the list. We wouldnt make ye watch yer wife and kids die. (they could watch you though )
As Baile (935 Posts)	Posted: 18-Sep-2008 17:14	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
As Baile (935 Posts)	Catholics were forced to abandon their religion if they wanted to take the soup and feed their children - were similar conditions imposed on the Presbyterians, wexfordclockend?
wexfordclockend (55 Posts)	Posted: 19-Sep-2008 17:06	Quote Edit Delete Report Post Post Reply
wexfordclockend (55 Posts)	My understanding is that they had to pay tithes (tax ) to the C of I like Catholics & other dissenters. Civil Rights were only slightly above the Catholics population. Presberterians had slightly better land & tenure rights however. If you read the report above you`ll find the numbers of Presberterians in both Ulster & Ireland significantly decreased during the famine era & the Anglians increased in number, due largely being more affluent members of society at the time. The current reactionary views of many Presberterians today is in stark contrast to their more radical views in earlier times & their resistance to rule from Britain. Whilst the many Ulster people nowadays like claiming their role in the legacy of the American Revolution, the participants from Ulster Irish / Scots stock of that period would stuggle to come to terms politically with their communtity who still reside in Ireland today.

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