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God help ye critics of the government
abadref
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16-Nov-2008 04:48
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Its Gettin beyond a joke .................
God help ye but ye blame (a democraticly voted government for everything ) Lets just ignore the fact that we`ve built a savage infrastructure ie: roads, Hospitals,and Universities..
Sure ye can complain about the health service (yet ignore the fact that our countries population has grown by more than a third on the last ten years ) and our govt has done nothing in our boom time! (sure we might as well forget about the M50,M1,M4,M6, Uni`s,schools etc..Then we`ll ignore the broadband (albeit slow ) and cable infrastructure etc etc....Are most of the jobs here Irish or (totally ) influenced by foreign corporations!!! The reason we are in such dire straits is because of the greedy farmers that demanded so much for a site, the greedy builders who demanded so much for a house but most of all the normal citizen who decided to pay so much for a house! (in 100 years they will be looked back on as foolish idiots ) Just a clueless pack of clowns who were only "keeping up with the Jones`s" in buying their over priced houses.
I take it most of the bitterness here is due to idiots who are prob in negative equity!!!!!!!!!
Thankfully I bought property which has doubled in price and the rent pays well above my mortgage!!
Yes give out and complain and ignore the fact that our (miniscule country and economy ) relies allmost totally on the US and UK (who are also in recession ) which totally effects us..?! (right or wrong!!! )
Come on ye cynics and if ye have any intelligence ye will realise that its not our (democratically elected ) government that was elected fault but the idiots who do not understand simple economics...
and phsics
for every boom ...
there must be a bust!
And I have studied both to a (embarassingly high ) level
God bless ye who blame the govt.
I wish I was that ignorant and nive.
God bless ye.
And those who agree please comment `cos I know all the "experts" surely will
From what I can make out we have a lot of communists in our ranks but I apologise to the communists here if they think I mix them up with the bitters here who obviosly don`tknow what they are talkin about and even worse "don`teven know what a tracker mortgage is.......and the rest! )
abadref
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16-Nov-2008 04:52
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Apologise
Nieve,,
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Physics
both spelt wrongly..
f**========= it should have blamed it on cowen! (easy way out )
Stool Pigeon
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16-Nov-2008 08:36
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I don`t recall Cowen being leader of FF when the last election took place, so i`m not so sure when he was democratically elected to lead the country?
You`ve studied `boom` and `bust` to an `embarrassingly high` level? Good man. No need to be modest about that.
manfromdelmonte
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16-Nov-2008 10:19
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where are the roads? they squandered vast amounts on big motorways when just good roads were needed all around the country
they fudged a proper rail infrastructure. no proper bus service in rural areas
the broadband is a joke. everyone knows it
the farmers were only trying to realise the value of their land in the property bubble caused by the government not making enough affordable serviced sites to buyers
health service still doesn`t provide cae in the community to keep people out of hospital
long danny
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16-Nov-2008 10:34
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Obviously studying English to an (embarassingly ) high level is not your forte in life.
Lets ignore the state of our primary schools and the fact that we fund private schools to the tune of €80-odd million every year.
Lets ignore the fact that there is hardly a playground in the country but we spend €170m on horse and dog racing.
Lets ignore the fact that in Beaumont hospital last week we ran out of trolleys and had to use ambulances so that the sick could be cared for. The only advantage of this is that an older person did not have to suffer the indignity of having every Joe and Josephine passing them as they suffered.
Lets ignore the fact that if your sick relative is lucky enough to get a bed you have to pay for parking in order to visit them.
Lets ignore the 1%levy that goes up to 2% but stops there for those that `earn` real mega-bucks.
Lets ignore a stamp duty regime that is specifically designed to help developers to rape people with prices way over the correct value of the house.
Lets ignore the fact that the bank exc s that made the most appalling decisions purely designed to garner massive bonuses.
Lets ignore road tolls.
Lets ignore areas such as Galway and their water problems.
Lets ignore the (slow ) roll-out of broadband services.
Lets ignore the fact that the pension bill for public servants will break us in years to come. A fact agreed by the unions who also expect the ordinary working Joe to pay for it.
Lets ignore the fact that huge increases in wages were given to public servants with scant regard to increases in productivity etc..
Lets ignore that the above is the tip of the iceberg.
Lets not ignore that it is indeed getting beyond a joke.
herbertstown
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16-Nov-2008 10:47
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Can you imagine the state of the country if you had that fool Kenny running the country.
googleys return
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16-Nov-2008 12:33
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Originally posted by herbertstown:
Can you imagine the state of the country if you had that fool Kenny running the country.
I hate both parties equally but its this kind of attitude that p**********************es me off.
Honestly how do ye know what he`d be like? As if he could even be any fcukin worse than the corrupt goons we have now.
An awful lot of Irish people actually make me sick. Is this the self-determination that was fought and died for?
Lets elect the same goons year in year out? Ride one another trying to get to the next rung up the property/employment/social ladder?
We deserve a fcukin recession tbh. A little bit of cash and the peasants turn into money grabbing sluts.
An fear glas agus dubh
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16-Nov-2008 12:42
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Originally posted by abadref:
Its Gettin beyond a joke .................
God help ye but ye blame (a democraticly voted government for everything ) Lets just ignore the fact that we`ve built a savage infrastructure ie: roads, Hospitals,and Universities..
Sure ye can complain about the health service (yet ignore the fact that our countries population has grown by more than a third on the last ten years ) and our govt has done nothing in our boom time! (sure we might as well forget about the M50,M1,M4,M6, Uni`s,schools etc..Then we`ll ignore the broadband (albeit slow ) and cable infrastructure etc etc....Are most of the jobs here Irish or (totally ) influenced by foreign corporations!!! The reason we are in such dire straits is because of the greedy farmers that demanded so much for a site, the greedy builders who demanded so much for a house but most of all the normal citizen who decided to pay so much for a house! (in 100 years they will be looked back on as foolish idiots ) Just a clueless pack of clowns who were only "keeping up with the Jones`s" in buying their over priced houses.
I take it most of the bitterness here is due to idiots who are prob in negative equity!!!!!!!!!
Thankfully I bought property which has doubled in price and the rent pays well above my mortgage!!
Yes give out and complain and ignore the fact that our (miniscule country and economy ) relies allmost totally on the US and UK (who are also in recession ) which totally effects us..?! (right or wrong!!! )
Come on ye cynics and if ye have any intelligence ye will realise that its not our (democratically elected ) government that was elected fault but the idiots who do not understand simple economics...
and phsics
for every boom ...
there must be a bust!
And I have studied both to a (embarassingly high ) level
God bless ye who blame the govt.
I wish I was that ignorant and nive.
God bless ye.
And those who agree please comment `cos I know all the "experts" surely will
From what I can make out we have a lot of communists in our ranks but I apologise to the communists here if they think I mix them up with the bitters here who obviosly don`tknow what they are talkin about and even worse "don`teven know what a tracker mortgage is.......and the rest! )
Well by God. A drunk man is talking more sense than 90% of the people on this forum.
Brilliant post and dead right in almost everything you say
An fear glas agus dubh
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16-Nov-2008 12:43
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Originally posted by long danny:
Obviously studying English to an (embarassingly ) high level is not your forte in life.
Lets ignore the state of our primary schools and the fact that we fund private schools to the tune of €80-odd million every year.
Lets ignore the fact that there is hardly a playground in the country but we spend €170m on horse and dog racing.
Lets ignore the fact that in Beaumont hospital last week we ran out of trolleys and had to use ambulances so that the sick could be cared for. The only advantage of this is that an older person did not have to suffer the indignity of having every Joe and Josephine passing them as they suffered.
Lets ignore the fact that if your sick relative is lucky enough to get a bed you have to pay for parking in order to visit them.
Lets ignore the 1%levy that goes up to 2% but stops there for those that `earn` real mega-bucks.
Lets ignore a stamp duty regime that is specifically designed to help developers to rape people with prices way over the correct value of the house.
Lets ignore the fact that the bank exc s that made the most appalling decisions purely designed to garner massive bonuses.
Lets ignore road tolls.
Lets ignore areas such as Galway and their water problems.
Lets ignore the (slow ) roll-out of broadband services.
Lets ignore the fact that the pension bill for public servants will break us in years to come. A fact agreed by the unions who also expect the ordinary working Joe to pay for it.
Lets ignore the fact that huge increases in wages were given to public servants with scant regard to increases in productivity etc..
Lets ignore that the above is the tip of the iceberg.
Lets not ignore that it is indeed getting beyond a joke.
Ah nothing like a bitter blue shirt!!! When was the last time ye won an election again?
long danny
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16-Nov-2008 12:54
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Originally posted by An fear glas agus dubh:
Ah nothing like a bitter blue shirt!!! When was the last time ye won an election again?
A blue shirt????? Jesus wept man have you ever read any of my posts, a blue shirt I am most certainly NOT.
blueprint
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16-Nov-2008 12:57
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Jaypers Danny , that was a dirty dig .
long danny
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16-Nov-2008 13:00
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Originally posted by blueprint:
Jaypers Danny , that was a dirty dig .
I know, I nearly choked on my tae and toast. No need for it at all.
Pog Mahone
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16-Nov-2008 13:11
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Originally posted by long danny:
Lets ignore the 1%levy that goes up to 2% but stops there for those that `earn` real mega-bucks.
The Finance Bill this week will include a 3% levy on earnings over €250k - a bit late after a lot of wealth has bolted but better late than never.
When the high rate of tax was reduced from 48% to 45% a new rate of 50% for the high earners (€200k/€250k or equivalent at the time ) should have been introduced.
Ungrateful_Whelp
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16-Nov-2008 18:44
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Originally posted by abadref:
Its Gettin beyond a joke .................
God help ye but ye blame (a democraticly voted government for everything ) Lets just ignore the fact that we`ve built a savage infrastructure ie: roads
No point in reading any further than this. Perhaps you spent your childhood in the Congo or the former eastern block, because if you consider our road network `savage`, I`d hate to see what you deem `poor to average`.
We are after completing one of the most successful prolonged economic periods for any country anywhere in the world. Yet, we still have a motorway system where - for example - anyone taking the M4 westwards will have notification of the road forking in two for Galway/Sligo approximately 100m before it does. A multiple car pile-up waiting to happen.
Then you have the Dublin-Limerick road, where some genius decided that the Nenagh by-pass would be single lane. Or the Dublin-Cork connection, where Christ alone knows when motorway is finally going to link the two largest cities in the state.
Savage, indeed.
I suggest you go and sharpen your pro-government rhetoric and statistics on politics.ie for a few months before you go embarrassing yourself like this again.
abadref
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16-Nov-2008 19:40
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Originally posted by Ungrateful_Whelp:
Yet, we still have a motorway system where - for example - anyone taking the M4 westwards will have notification of the road forking in two for Galway/Sligo approximately 100m before it does. A multiple car pile-up waiting to happen.
Then you have the Dublin-Limerick road, where some genius decided that the Nenagh by-pass would be single lane.
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These are very serious issues indeed.
scalder
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16-Nov-2008 20:41
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What a load of blinkered nonsense, Zanu FF spent the last 10 years laying claim to the boom but now refuse to take the blame when things go wrong. well boys you can`t have it both ways.
Lets start by saying its our money they are charged with spending and so we have the right to call them to account.
You mention Universities and schools - go around to a few of them and see how the boom helped them, they are chronically underfunded, in fact having visited a couple of 3rd level colleges in the last month I`m embarrassed for them and for us, `knowledge economy` my bollix.
Roads, yes the NRA seemed to get a handle on big projects in the last 3 years but up to this they let every project run behind and massively over budget.
Broadband...they`ve had universal broadband access in the North for the last 4 years, to this day there are large parts of the 26 counties where their is no broadband availability.
No FF sold a monopoly, Eircom, making a state monopoly into a private monopoly, nice one. A move we`re still litteraly paying for as the company is flipped and flipped time and time again.
Jobs, our predicament has little to do with the multinationals and far more to do with the overreliance on construction. It was felt we did not need to be competitive when `we`re now one of the richest countries in Europe` We went from being in the late `90`s a lean mean economy, a real tiger, to a fat, lazy, self congratulatory and debt burdened nation.
The farmers charged too much as did the builders, but why were they allowed to do so? Why did see instead of proper planning we saw planning corruption.
Ordinary citizens were given little choice in what they paid for a home, they were rail roaded and panicked by the thought that if they did not buy now prices would just keep rising and they`d never be able to afford one then.
I`ve said here I`m not in NE but what makes be angry is that we had our own destiny in our own hands, we could have put this country on a firm footing for the next 50 years but instead we look like we have wasted the opportunity.
I`m angry because I thought we had and could have put, emigration behind us however the boats and planes are full once again.
I`m aware we are part of a wider economic slump but the main problem is a home grown one.
Boom, bust - people have been warning us that the bubble would burst but we were told `no we`ve special circumstances here` the `fundamentals are sound` well the truth now seem otherwise. Instead of taking the heat out of things and putting in place measures to cushion the inevitable bursting of the bubble, Bertie and co shovelled fuel on the fire.
I do of course blame the voters too, the idiots who could not see the folly of their ways but that in no way absolves those who held power.
blueprint
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17-Nov-2008 13:17
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Talking of the voters the really scary thing is that according to the recent opinion polls alot of them would like to see Bertie back again .
long danny
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17-Nov-2008 13:50
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Originally posted by blueprint:
Talking of the voters the really scary thing is that according to the recent opinion polls alot of them would like to see Bertie back again .
What do you make of that? As if there were not enough question to be asked of this shleeveen. And do you know what, if the fcuker went for the park job there would be a massive coterie of people waiting to cast their ballots in his favour.
blueprint
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Originally posted by long danny:
What do you make of that? As if there were not enough question to be asked of this shleeveen. And do you know what, if the fcuker went for the park job there would be a massive coterie of people waiting to cast their ballots in his favour.
I think people are associating Bertie with the " good times ",
bring back Bertie and therefore bring back the good times - if it was only that simple .
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Originally posted by blueprint:
I think people are associating Bertie with the " good times ",
bring back Bertie and therefore bring back the good times - if it was only that simple .
An auld lad summed it up to me the other night when he said ``what did the working man get from the Celtic Tiger? More work!`` He was, in his old age, absolutely correct. Yes things were good but it was those at the top, including politicians, who made proportionally the most by far. I also heard a figure that 1% of the people made 30% of the money which completely skewed the earnings figures.
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the silver lining to the current economic woes is that zanu ff have such a pathetic line up of ministers in place that they are on a daily basis being exposed to the public. let them suffer and suffer and suffer. thankfully the lisbon treaty has no chance of getting a yes vote in the next 12 months, so no referendum is going to happen. imagine running a referendum in tandem with the locals next may, and ff getting hammered and an increase in the no majority bound to happen.
thank god this is a minority gov, imagine sour puss cowan if he had a majority, he would be brazen as f.uck.
we are a democracy, and it is vital for the body democracy that every so often we have a new blood transfusion, fg may be no better than zanu ff, but a term of fg in power fater the next general election will be important, as we now have a generation of 12-20 year olds who have lived through and era with a variety of zanu ff coalitions ruling for the majority of that time frame.
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New Zealand had a similar housing boom, only lasted 2 years, was strictly controlled by their govenment, our government failed to do that, that is their biggest crime , Leave FF there till next election, let them destroy themselves..
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The current government is proving itself spectacularly incompetent but I think Berties government (2002-2007 ) should go down as the worst goverment in the history of the state. The amount of money they had at their disposal could have put the economy on a sound footing for years to come but the lack of imagination and conviction that Bertie and his gobs**e Ministers demonstrated mean we will all suffer over the next 10 years.
They bought the elections with giveaway budgets and the electorate fell for it hook line and sinker.
We deserve the government we get but at least I have the satisfaction of not voting for them.
How many of members of the FF hierarchy would you trust witha real job in the Private sector ?
Did the FF Government make one courageous or difficult decision in its lifetime ?
Kevo
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Originally posted by qwerty:
The current government is proving itself spectacularly incompetent but I think Berties government (2002-2007 ) should go down as the worst goverment in the history of the state. The amount of money they had at their disposal could have put the economy on a sound footing for years to come but the lack of imagination and conviction that Bertie and his gobs**e Ministers demonstrated mean we will all suffer over the next 10 years.
They bought the elections with giveaway budgets and the electorate fell for it hook line and sinker.
We deserve the government we get but at least I have the satisfaction of not voting for them.
How many of members of the FF hierarchy would you trust witha real job in the Private sector ?
Did the FF Government make one courageous or difficult decision in its lifetime ?
Totally agree, do u have any examples of what they should have done instead, i guess creating 75,000 public jobs was a collosal f**kup, what should he have done???
abadref
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Yes what should they have done?
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