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Arles Gaa Co. Laois
footballer4
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3 senior football clubs in the laois senior football championship in the 1 parish, Arles/Kileen, Arles/Kilcruise and Ballylinan. There was a split in 1995,Why did they split?
Beano, the Munnellys, the Conways, and Donie Brennan a great amount of talent in the parish.
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21-Jan-2009 19:26
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why does any parish split?
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21-Jan-2009 19:59
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Ballylinan was a seperate club.The two Arles were the one team.Oddly enough they split because of a row. The three clubs play together underage.
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Originally posted by footballer4:
3 senior football clubs in the laois senior football championship in the 1 parish, Arles/Kileen, Arles/Kilcruise and Ballylinan. There was a split in 1995,Why did they split?
Beano, the Munnellys, the Conways, and Donie Brennan a great amount of talent in the parish.
You would knock some club forward line out of that. Is Donie Kingston in one of those clubs too?
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The Arles split got extremely dirty and went as far as the High Court over who had the right to use the name......in the end they called themselves Arles Killeen and Arles Kilcruise.....
Interestingly Arles Killeen have adapted a fairly liberal, Man City type transfer policy in recent times!!
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Donie Kingston is a Barrowhouse player, but he tried to transfer to Arles/Killeen, it was turned down. He then refused to play for Barrowhouse He is a cousin of Beano and Donie Brennan. Beano and Ross Munnelly tried to get Killeen and Kilcruise to play as one last year or the year before, but there was too much bitterness. Arles combined would be a good team and might be one team that could actually challange Portlaoise, no one else seems to be able.
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21-Jan-2009 22:51
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Arles/Kilcruise are based in Arles village I think, wit kileen a mile or so closer to Carlow town.
You would have some club forward line is right, by the sound of things Kileen could have lads playing from Laois,Carlow,Kildare if they are like Man City!
If St Josephs and Strabally get going well they might have go at Portlaoise.
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22-Jan-2009 00:14
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they split in a sulk and threw their rattles out of the pram.
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Arles Gaa Co. Laois
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Laois senior football semi final this saturday __-
Arles Kilcruise v Arles Killeen
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The circumstances demanded they must. At a meeting in 1993, a group of members from the Killeen side of the parish proposed the club name be changed to Arles-Killeen in order to recognise the input from that end of the parish. Others couldn’t understand their gripe. There was talk that the new name might attract a few more players. A vote was taken, and the proposal was passed. Those present who objected — the Kilcruise people — walked out of the meeting, and never came back. The club was ripped in two. At least the Kilcruise group still had people like Wall to fall back on. In 1994, when Laois county board refused to affiliate them while affiliating the rest of the old Arles club under the name of St Michael’s, they decided to keep going.
“We tried to hold the club together ourselves,” says current chairman JJ Conway. “We knew we had talented young players so we just tried to keep those bunch of players active. We played around 20 challenge matches in 1994. We were only a bunch of junior lads but we went wherever we could get a game.”
The following year, the Laois football board decided to affiliate them as a junior B club under the name Arles. Wall took on the job as manager, and has been there since. That year they won the county title. In 1996 Beano McDonald brought home an All-Ireland minor medal to St Michael’s, while JJ’s son Chris brought one back to Arles, who won the junior A title. Now they were intermediate, and level with their neighbours.
Relations had been tolerable, but both sides kept their distance. The Tall Trees was evacuated by the Kilcruise people, who relocated to Kellys in Ballickmoyler out the road. Brothers and neighbours ended up playing for two different clubs. Little things kept relations strained. The clubs shared the local pitch, but found training sessions were clashing. There might be a comment passed, or a dig given in company, but largely the peace was kept.
In 1996, they met in the intermediate final. Thousands came expecting enough dust-ups and spats to fuel decades of rivalry. Instead, the game was a classic. Arles led to the end but St Michael’s sneaked ahead to win. It shattered Arles, but the desolation of losing to St Michael’s in a football final was nothing compared to the next twist.
In 1999, Arles won the county intermediate title and St Michael’s launched an objection to their retention of the name, which mushroomed into a legal action against Laois county board. Seeing as they had walked out of the club, surely, they argued, Arles had no right to the name or any recognition. There was talk of a High Court action. A priest from Wexford was called in to mediate, but he went home shaking his head. All kinds of old skeletons were allowed to escape.
“I was never in the High Court before,” says Conway. “I didn’t fancy going up with what was a local dispute. A lot of people were very concerned about the consequences of neighbours fighting over a trivial thing in the High Court.”
With the case heading there, Croke Park’s turbo-powered disputes committee was called in. With the GAA president and chief exc utive on board, they set to work on bringing the two together. “You wouldn’t believe the tension at the meetings,” says one source close to the committee. “All sorts of stuff was raked up. It was a community at war.”
After a fortnight of the hardest talking, a resolution was reached. The committee agreed that Arles had acted improperly and were duly banished from the local pitch. However, given their thriving existence, they were allowed to continue under the name Arles-Kilcruise, with St Michael’s reverting to Arles- Killeen. For under-age games up to under-21 level, the entire parish, including Ballylinan, would play as one team, called Ballylinan- Glenmore.
Last Saturday, they both fetched up on county final day, Kilcruise in the senior, Killeen in the intermediate. For some in Killeen, although they celebrated when they won their final, the day darkened with the senior result. Others have been able to move on.
“We keep our distance,” says Conway. “But last Saturday one of them, a prominent man in the club, came up to me and gave me his congratulations, ‘from the bottom of my heart,’ he said. Some relations still aren’t great. We’d be very good friends with some of them, but there’d still be a certain few. They’d be very much in the minority though.”
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Originally posted by waterford 2-23:
Laois senior football semi final this saturday __-
Arles Kilcruise v Arles Killeen
I see Arles Kilcruise won this. A couple of Kileen boys, including Donie Brennan, got the line. Anyone at it?
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05-Oct-2009 17:26
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What a shower they must be.
Ignorant bogmen.
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I hear Brennan spat in a lad`s face, and that started a bit of a bargey! Tinker thing to do,
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Originally posted by burdizzo:
I hear Brennan spat in a lad`s face, and that started a bit of a bargey! Tinker thing to do,
Heard that too, think the brother Billy was involved as well. Poor Donie, a hasbeen at 21/22
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Sorry but is anyone else struggling to follow the below??!!
one club, splits, the splits changing name, yet joining together at underage under yet another different name. crazy stuff
Originally posted by Hold that Line:
The circumstances demanded they must. At a meeting in 1993, a group of members from the Killeen side of the parish proposed the club name be changed to Arles-Killeen in order to recognise the input from that end of the parish. Others couldn’t understand their gripe. There was talk that the new name might attract a few more players. A vote was taken, and the proposal was passed. Those present who objected — the Kilcruise people — walked out of the meeting, and never came back. The club was ripped in two. At least the Kilcruise group still had people like Wall to fall back on. In 1994, when Laois county board refused to affiliate them while affiliating the rest of the old Arles club under the name of St Michael’s, they decided to keep going.
“We tried to hold the club together ourselves,” says current chairman JJ Conway. “We knew we had talented young players so we just tried to keep those bunch of players active. We played around 20 challenge matches in 1994. We were only a bunch of junior lads but we went wherever we could get a game.”
The following year, the Laois football board decided to affiliate them as a junior B club under the name Arles. Wall took on the job as manager, and has been there since. That year they won the county title. In 1996 Beano McDonald brought home an All-Ireland minor medal to St Michael’s, while JJ’s son Chris brought one back to Arles, who won the junior A title. Now they were intermediate, and level with their neighbours.
Relations had been tolerable, but both sides kept their distance. The Tall Trees was evacuated by the Kilcruise people, who relocated to Kellys in Ballickmoyler out the road. Brothers and neighbours ended up playing for two different clubs. Little things kept relations strained. The clubs shared the local pitch, but found training sessions were clashing. There might be a comment passed, or a dig given in company, but largely the peace was kept.
In 1996, they met in the intermediate final. Thousands came expecting enough dust-ups and spats to fuel decades of rivalry. Instead, the game was a classic. Arles led to the end but St Michael’s sneaked ahead to win. It shattered Arles, but the desolation of losing to St Michael’s in a football final was nothing compared to the next twist.
In 1999, Arles won the county intermediate title and St Michael’s launched an objection to their retention of the name, which mushroomed into a legal action against Laois county board. Seeing as they had walked out of the club, surely, they argued, Arles had no right to the name or any recognition. There was talk of a High Court action. A priest from Wexford was called in to mediate, but he went home shaking his head. All kinds of old skeletons were allowed to escape.
“I was never in the High Court before,” says Conway. “I didn’t fancy going up with what was a local dispute. A lot of people were very concerned about the consequences of neighbours fighting over a trivial thing in the High Court.”
With the case heading there, Croke Park’s turbo-powered disputes committee was called in. With the GAA president and chief exc utive on board, they set to work on bringing the two together. “You wouldn’t believe the tension at the meetings,” says one source close to the committee. “All sorts of stuff was raked up. It was a community at war.”
After a fortnight of the hardest talking, a resolution was reached. The committee agreed that Arles had acted improperly and were duly banished from the local pitch. However, given their thriving existence, they were allowed to continue under the name Arles-Kilcruise, with St Michael’s reverting to Arles- Killeen. For under-age games up to under-21 level, the entire parish, including Ballylinan, would play as one team, called Ballylinan- Glenmore.
Last Saturday, they both fetched up on county final day, Kilcruise in the senior, Killeen in the intermediate. For some in Killeen, although they celebrated when they won their final, the day darkened with the senior result. Others have been able to move on.
“We keep our distance,” says Conway. “But last Saturday one of them, a prominent man in the club, came up to me and gave me his congratulations, ‘from the bottom of my heart,’ he said. Some relations still aren’t great. We’d be very good friends with some of them, but there’d still be a certain few. They’d be very much in the minority though.”
Remember Me 2009
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There is a parish with 2 senior clubs-Arles and Ballylinan.....
One year at the Arles AGM there was a bit of a row because some wanted to change the name to Arles/Killeen in recognition of the fact that many of the players were from that area.
This was passed and those that disagreed walked out.
Those who walked out tried to enter a new team but were vetoed as it was them who walked out.
Eventually they managed to enter a team themselves but a row over who could use the name "Arles" ensued and went all the way to the High Court in the late 1990s.
Eventually an agreement was reached in that those whos stayed with the original club could use the name Arles Killeen.
Those who walked out could use the name Arles Kilcruise but had to give up all claim on the local field.
This is the way they have been since.
Arles Killeen beat Arles Kilcruise in an intermediate final around 1999.
They clashed at the weekend in the SFC Semi Finals.
At underage level there is a parish team, encompassing the 3 adult clubs. Ballylinan and the 2 Arles`. This team is known as Ballylinan/Gleannmor.
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Originally posted by burdizzo:
I hear Brennan spat in a lad`s face, and that started a bit of a bargey! Tinker thing to do,
Thats for sure, Brennan is not liked by alot from what i hear has a bit of an attitude problem and thinks his the sh@t ..Hardly surprising considering alot of laois footballers have the same problem
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so effectively there is 3 adult clubs in the parish now , Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise and Ballylinan?????
they all play together at under age for Ballylinan|Gleannmor???
so how do players decide which adult club to declare for when they leave under age ranks???
is there a geographical basis for which adult club u declare for ???
sorry for all the questions!!!
Originally posted by Remember Me 2009:
There is a parish with 2 senior clubs-Arles and Ballylinan.....
One year at the Arles AGM there was a bit of a row because some wanted to change the name to Arles/Killeen in recognition of the fact that many of the players were from that area.
This was passed and those that disagreed walked out.
Those who walked out tried to enter a new team but were vetoed as it was them who walked out.
Eventually they managed to enter a team themselves but a row over who could use the name "Arles" ensued and went all the way to the High Court in the late 1990s.
Eventually an agreement was reached in that those whos stayed with the original club could use the name Arles Killeen.
Those who walked out could use the name Arles Kilcruise but had to give up all claim on the local field.
This is the way they have been since.
Arles Killeen beat Arles Kilcruise in an intermediate final around 1999.
They clashed at the weekend in the SFC Semi Finals.
At underage level there is a parish team, encompassing the 3 adult clubs. Ballylinan and the 2 Arles`. This team is known as c.
Remember Me 2009
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Originally posted by The referee:
so effectively there is 3 adult clubs in the parish now , Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise and Ballylinan?????
they all play together at under age for Ballylinan|Gleannmor???
so how do players decide which adult club to declare for when they leave under age ranks???
is there a geographical basis for which adult club u declare for ???
sorry for all the questions!!!
There are not just 3 adult clubs in the parish, there are 3 SENIOR clubs in the parish. Each of the 3 clubs would have 2-3 multiple All Ireland Minor winners and each club would also have 2-3 Leinster Senior winners in there ranks.....would be one serious club team all together.
Where you go to National School and what family you are born into would be the major determing factor in who you play for.
But having said that, at one stage in the second half yesterday Mick O` Shea (corner back for kilcruise ) ended up marking his younger brother Sean (corner forward for Killeen ) . Not quite sure how this came about but the older brother, Mick, plays for Arles Kilcruise, while the younger two, Sean and Brendan, play for Arles Killeen.
They all play together for Ballylinan Gleannmor at underage level. There would be rough geographical "ends" of the parish that, along with family, would determine who you play for.
The crazy thing is that it is a tiny little parish and each of the clubs fully maximise all the playing resources they have. Although Arles Killeen have attracted alot of transfers fairly controversially in the past year or two.
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That`s a mad story, only in the GAA.
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Originally posted by The referee:
so effectively there is 3 adult clubs in the parish now , Arles Killeen, Arles Kilcruise and Ballylinan?????
they all play together at under age for Ballylinan|Gleannmor???
so how do players decide which adult club to declare for when they leave under age ranks???
is there a geographical basis for which adult club u declare for ???
sorry for all the questions!!!
Well Ballylinan and Arles are two seperate villages a couple of miles apart. They were always two seperate clubs so Ballylinan`s pick would come from the immediate surrounds, village and local school.
The two Arles` is where the fun begins. AFAIK one side of the village is Arles Killeen and the other side is Kilcruise. Interestingly Ross Munnelly lives across the road from Donie Brennan, yet they play for different clubs. There were moves made by Munnelly and a few other players for the clubs to join up about 2/3 years ago. Needless to say those efforts failed. There are huge rifts between two families that are really scuppering any hopes of uniting. Chris Conway`s family are Kilcruise and Donie Brennan`s are Killeen. They both basically run their respectful clubs and as long as this is the case things will never change. Donie`s sending off actually resulted from an off-the-ball incident with Conway (his former teacher and Hogan cup winning coach I might add - it just gets better!!! )
There are some great stories from there over the years. One being when Chris Conway was getting married in Arles church last year, the Brennans who own the field behind the church spread slurry that morning! Another one goes that the Killeen lads got hold of Ross Munnelly`s greyhound one evening leading up to when they contested their only county final and painted it `black and white` - the Killeen club colours!
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Originally posted by dodgy-keeper:
That`s a mad story, only in the GAA.
What I havent mentioned yet is that Arles Killeen have recently benefitted from the controversial transfers of players like Derek Hayden (Carlow ) and Donie Kingston (Laois Senior ) . Hayden went back to Carlow at start of year though.
Also they have brought down Nicky McGrath from Kilmacud Crokes as manager as well as a physical trainer (whos name escapes me ) .
The man who is allegedly backing all of this is the father of one of their more prominent players......
He also was very vocal in the bid to oust Sean Dempsey from the Laois Senior Job a month or two back. Dempsey had drop ped his son from the panel earlier in the year for disciplinary reasons!!
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Interesting parish!!!!
Originally posted by Remember Me 2009:
There are not just 3 adult clubs in the parish, there are 3 SENIOR clubs in the parish. Each of the 3 clubs would have 2-3 multiple All Ireland Minor winners and each club would also have 2-3 Leinster Senior winners in there ranks.....would be one serious club team all together.
Where you go to National School and what family you are born into would be the major determing factor in who you play for.
But having said that, at one stage in the second half yesterday Mick O` Shea (corner back for kilcruise ) ended up marking his younger brother Sean (corner forward for Killeen ) . Not quite sure how this came about but the older brother, Mick, plays for Arles Kilcruise, while the younger two, Sean and Brendan, play for Arles Killeen.
They all play together for Ballylinan Gleannmor at underage level. There would be rough geographical "ends" of the parish that, along with family, would determine who you play for.
The crazy thing is that it is a tiny little parish and each of the clubs fully maximise all the playing resources they have. Although Arles Killeen have attracted alot of transfers fairly controversially in the past year or two.
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Originally posted by The referee:
Interesting parish!!!!
I heard that in the middle of all this they hung somebodies cat in Ballickmoyler.
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