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Topic: Bank of Ireland Share Price
BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 27-Feb-2009 20:10
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Given last nights latest Tiger robbery of BOI, their share price has plummeted to 19 cent from an almighty high of 18.42 around this time last year.

Please tell me if I am being naive here but I am seriously considering buying 500-1000 euro worth of stock in the company.
Obviously they will never hit the heights of our false boom but surely they are unlikely to be taken over by the government and as in all recessions things will re-stabize and grow again. Is it unreasonable to surmise that the shareprice could climb back to between 5 and 10 euro in the next 2/3 years.
On the negative side of this I have heard of people who invested heavily in shares this time last year....God love them!
joe bloggs
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Posted: 27-Feb-2009 20:50
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Given last nights latest Tiger robbery of BOI, their share price has plummeted to 19 cent from an almighty high of 18.42 around this time last year.

Please tell me if I am being naive here but I am seriously considering buying 500-1000 euro worth of stock in the company.
Obviously they will never hit the heights of our false boom but surely they are unlikely to be taken over by the government and as in all recessions things will re-stabize and grow again. Is it unreasonable to surmise that the shareprice could climb back to between 5 and 10 euro in the next 2/3 years.
On the negative side of this I have heard of people who invested heavily in shares this time last year....God love them!

There is many fellas would put more on a horse. It could be worth a punt sure all you colud loose is a grand. I hate to think how much i`ve potentially lost on my house bought two years ago, but as i`m still here and won`t be needing to move anytime soon its not a real loss, and who knows as you say in five years time things might have risen again
BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 27-Feb-2009 21:01
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Originally posted by joe bloggs:


There is many fellas would put more on a horse. It could be worth a punt sure all you colud loose is a grand. I hate to think how much i`ve potentially lost on my house bought two years ago, but as i`m still here and won`t be needing to move anytime soon its not a real loss, and who knows as you say in five years time things might have risen again

Funnily, I have seen lads put more on a horse. It seems a blatently obvious punt to me but then again I am not competely in the knowin these matters.
The end of this month as first quarter returns become known should make things clearer and projections clearer bit I feel now is the time to act.
Outcast
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Posted: 27-Feb-2009 22:21
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I thought the same when I saw Independent shares at 19 cent a few weeks ago. Today they are 15c. Amazing. Denis O` Brien bought in at over €2 per share.

Big debts at the Indo so now one wants to know about them for now. But brands surely of value in long term....

Norkom tipped at 60 cent per share a few weeks ago, due to cash pile being worth more than their market cap. 40 cent today.

Aer Lingus market cap probably less than the cash in the bank too.

Stange and turbulent times indeed.

asdf
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 13:21
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Originally posted by joe bloggs:


There is many fellas would put more on a horse. It could be worth a punt sure all you colud loose is a grand. I hate to think how much i`ve potentially lost on my house bought two years ago, but as i`m still here and won`t be needing to move anytime soon its not a real loss, and who knows as you say in five years time things might have risen again

You would be better off putting your money on a horse. Plus you`d knock more craic out of it. Investors are ditching the shares because they believe the bank will eventually be nationalized.
scalder
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 21:33
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If they can avoid being Nationalised they are a great bet but I think the big 2 will be nationalised within 6 months, just my opinion but a distinct possibility.
Welger AP630
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 21:36
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Why not throw a grand at McInerney holdings also... they have landbanks too, and at kleast there is less chance the Govt will take em over.
handyscore
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 21:46
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Given last nights latest Tiger robbery of BOI, their share price has plummeted to 19 cent from an almighty high of 18.42 around this time last year.

Please tell me if I am being naive here but I am seriously considering buying 500-1000 euro worth of stock in the company.
Obviously they will never hit the heights of our false boom but surely they are unlikely to be taken over by the government and as in all recessions things will re-stabize and grow again. Is it unreasonable to surmise that the shareprice could climb back to between 5 and 10 euro in the next 2/3 years.
On the negative side of this I have heard of people who invested heavily in shares this time last year....God love them!

Set up an online account and do a bit of day trading. The shares are pretty volatile at the moment. If I buy anything I will be checking the share price every couple of hours to see what is going on and if there are big changes I will be getting out whether that means a profit or a loss.

The idea of putting a grand in and coming back in a couple of years I think is a good one as well. I wouldn`t build a plan of investing today and coming back in a couple of months to see how they were doing.
Pog Mahone
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 21:52
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Originally posted by handyscore:
Set up an online account and do a bit of day trading. The shares are pretty volatile at the moment. If I buy anything I will be checking the share price every couple of hours to see what is going on and if there are big changes I will be getting out whether that means a profit or a loss.

Good idea there handyscore, big bucks to be made  (or lost )  in a very short period, swings of 10/20% in a day, IF your timing is right, all you need is a few bob and balls of steel.
chrish
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 22:02
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Originally posted by handyscore:
Set up an online account and do a bit of day trading. The shares are pretty volatile at the moment. If I buy anything I will be checking the share price every couple of hours to see what is going on and if there are big changes I will be getting out whether that means a profit or a loss.

The idea of putting a grand in and coming back in a couple of years I think is a good one as well. I wouldn`t build a plan of investing today and coming back in a couple of months to see how they were doing.

Any recommendations on an online share trading site?
And one which will give you the necessary research data on companies.
thanks
Pog Mahone
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Posted: 28-Feb-2009 22:12
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Originally posted by chrish:
Any recommendations on an online share trading site?
And one which will give you the necessary research data on companies.
thanks

This info was right last year, presumably it`s still reasonably accurate.

Sharewatch  (www.sharewatch.com )  charge €50 for ‘small’ transactions up to €15,000 without opening an online account. If you have an online account they charge 0.3% per trade  (subject to a minimum ) . Their website is pure sh1te imho.

Davy charge 0.75% per trade  (again subject to minimum ) , + a yearly maintenance fee of €90+

If you buy Irish shares there is a 1% stamp duty charge, 0.5% for UK ones, no stamp duty when selling.

National Irish Bank charge 0.75% per trade  (again subject to minimum ) , with no yearly maintenance fee, and you can trade European shares as well  (no stamp duty on European shares ) . They have a Reuters link for news.

If you want to be slightly more adventurous, you could open a US account. Zecco  (www.zecco.com )  charge $4.50 per transaction and there are no Stamp Duty charges either on US trading, so your profits  (or loss )  are all yours. Ameritrade  (www.tdameritrade.com )  charge $9.99 per trade and have a good website. You can buy and sell the US version of the Irish shares  (AIB, CRH, BOI etc )  without incurring any stamp duty charges. Bit of an added risk obviously on the currency fluctuation.
polladdy
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Posted: 01-Mar-2009 21:56
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Originally posted by Welger AP630:
Why not throw a grand at McInerney holdings also... they have landbanks too, and at kleast there is less chance the Govt will take em over.

welger
methinks you know more than you are saying here particularly because the advice is right.Safest constuction company by a mile at this point
Welger AP630
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Posted: 01-Mar-2009 22:20
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Originally posted by polladdy:


welger
methinks you know more than you are saying here particularly because the advice is right.Safest constuction company by a mile at this point

No, I was just really throwing that out there to show that the real risk with BOI is whether it falls into Govt ownership, that is where the grand will be lost.

But iI have heard that McInerney has been on the floor before and I know that they have a share of land, but when its is going to be worth anything again is anybodys guess.

They are homebuilders  (it is in the name ) , so I am not sure what they will be building till that happens again.
leo
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 01:18
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Given last nights latest Tiger robbery of BOI, their share price has plummeted to 19 cent from an almighty high of 18.42 around this time last year.

Please tell me if I am being naive here but I am seriously considering buying 500-1000 euro worth of stock in the company.
Obviously they will never hit the heights of our false boom but surely they are unlikely to be taken over by the government and as in all recessions things will re-stabize and grow again. Is it unreasonable to surmise that the shareprice could climb back to between 5 and 10 euro in the next 2/3 years.
On the negative side of this I have heard of people who invested heavily in shares this time last year....God love them!
Catch them on the way up, even if you have to pay more. They might be nationalised and you`ld loose the lot
1st Time
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 02:55
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Given last nights latest Tiger robbery of BOI, their share price has plummeted to 19 cent from an almighty high of 18.42 around this time last year.

Please tell me if I am being naive here but I am seriously considering buying 500-1000 euro worth of stock in the company.
Obviously they will never hit the heights of our false boom but surely they are unlikely to be taken over by the government and as in all recessions things will re-stabize and grow again. Is it unreasonable to surmise that the shareprice could climb back to between 5 and 10 euro in the next 2/3 years.
On the negative side of this I have heard of people who invested heavily in shares this time last year....God love them!

Buy low, sell high. It`s 5000 shares and only a grand on the line at the end of the day - there was a lot more foolish money spend in the good times.
finbarrk
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 11:55
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I thought that when they were €1.62 last November. I`m down a few grand now.
handyscore
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 12:27
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I use the Davy online service, it seems fine, but I haven`t tried any of the others so I can not really compare. I think it is a good idea to have an account like this set up so you can act on things immediately when opportunities arise.
nlgbbbblth
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 12:50
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
Given last nights latest Tiger robbery of BOI, their share price has plummeted to 19 cent from an almighty high of 18.42 around this time last year.

Please tell me if I am being naive here but I am seriously considering buying 500-1000 euro worth of stock in the company.
Obviously they will never hit the heights of our false boom but surely they are unlikely to be taken over by the government and as in all recessions things will re-stabize and grow again. Is it unreasonable to surmise that the shareprice could climb back to between 5 and 10 euro in the next 2/3 years.
On the negative side of this I have heard of people who invested heavily in shares this time last year....God love them!

you related to the new CE, Bobby?
SeaBreeze
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 13:39
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There is a reason why the share price is now 19c. It means the market believes the shares are worthless    (the market know this bank has huge loan exposures to risky property developers that are now bankrupt and the wholesale markets have dried up so they have no access to capital )    and it does look like the investors ditching the shares know more than the people on the street. In my opinion i wouldn`t touch them as I think AIB/BOI will be merged or nationalised.

I work for a rival bank as a analyst and am a chartered management accountant so I know what I am talking about.

Seeing its only a mere couple of pounds ur investing what have you to lose all the same.
This message has been edited - 02-mar-2009 @ 14:03
JoNinety
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 14:39
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What they banks have declared as bad debt so far is only the tip of the iceberg. They`ve been postponing tens of billions of euros of bad debt with a variety of incentives to prevent some developers going bankrupt but in most cases they`re postponing the inevitable . I would wait until the proper bad debt figures get declared before investing. You might think investing in the banks is similar to betting on a horse, but in this case for all you know you might be betting on a horse that`s starting the race with a broken leg.

Some more info about the bad debt problem is in the herald
chrish
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Posted: 02-Mar-2009 19:09
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Originally posted by Pog Mahone:


This info was right last year, presumably it`s still reasonably accurate.

Sharewatch   (www.sharewatch.com  )   charge €50 for ‘small’ transactions up to €15,000 without opening an online account. If you have an online account they charge 0.3% per trade   (subject to a minimum  )  . Their website is pure sh1te imho.

Davy charge 0.75% per trade   (again subject to minimum  )  , + a yearly maintenance fee of €90+

If you buy Irish shares there is a 1% stamp duty charge, 0.5% for UK ones, no stamp duty when selling.

National Irish Bank charge 0.75% per trade   (again subject to minimum  )  , with no yearly maintenance fee, and you can trade European shares as well   (no stamp duty on European shares  )  . They have a Reuters link for news.

If you want to be slightly more adventurous, you could open a US account. Zecco   (www.zecco.com  )   charge $4.50 per transaction and there are no Stamp Duty charges either on US trading, so your profits   (or loss  )   are all yours. Ameritrade   (www.tdameritrade.com  )   charge $9.99 per trade and have a good website. You can buy and sell the US version of the Irish shares   (AIB, CRH, BOI etc  )   without incurring any stamp duty charges. Bit of an added risk obviously on the currency fluctuation.

Thanks Pog.
NIB looks like the way to go for me as i only make small trades, tis more of a hobby. On their website they say a trade charge of 0.75% with a minimum of €20. Not really interested in the US market  (at least not at the moment ) .
BOBBY BOUCHER
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Posted: 04-Mar-2009 19:14
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The bank being Nationalised is obviously the big factor here but can anyone explain what actually happens in this situation.
My understanding is the government take control with a 51% sharehold but surely they have to finance their cut at the going rate which would mean shares would automatically rise due to demand.
Or do they get them at a discount price meaning a short term drop  which would then be gradually restored with increase in confidence??
Glengooly-Guy
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Posted: 04-Mar-2009 22:31
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Originally posted by BOBBY BOUCHER:
The bank being Nationalised is obviously the big factor here but can anyone explain what actually happens in this situation.
My understanding is the government take control with a 51% sharehold but surely they have to finance their cut at the going rate which would mean shares would automatically rise due to demand.
Or do they get them at a discount price meaning a short term drop   which would then be gradually restored with increase in confidence??

Ask any Anglo share holder what happened to their shares..........! I think you will find they got/will get fcuk all
handyscore
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Posted: 05-Mar-2009 16:45
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Irish bank shares are sinking without trace today. Bank of Ireland is at 14 cents and AIB at 28 cents.
Punter72007
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Posted: 05-Mar-2009 17:38
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16c/32c at the moment.

At what stage is the government have no obligation but buy them ? below 10c?

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