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Topic: Limerick Hurlers will return to panel
ProjectX
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Posted: 07-Mar-2010 23:26
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The Limerick hurlers will return to the panel.

Seamus Hickey, Donal O`Grady and the others do not want to be in a position whereby their refusal to play for their county results in relegation to Division 2.

They do not want that hanging over them for the rest of there hurling careers, however long or short they are.

There are those on this forum   (we all know who they are  )   that would prefer to see Limerick relegated than for Justin to stay on. The hurlers will not want that to happen and will return. If they don`t return and Limerick do get relegated, they may never be welcome back.
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limericklass
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Posted: 07-Mar-2010 23:48
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Originally posted by ProjectX:
Limerick Hurlers will return to panel

i would think so also..announcement 2mr morning after eight o clock news!
DAF
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Posted: 07-Mar-2010 23:52
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Ihope they do return to the panel.Hurling needs as many teams competing at the top level and can ill afford to have a team like Limerick not having full preparation for the championship.Its bad news for Offaly though as I thought our home game against Limerick was our best chance of a win in Division 1 and thus avoiding relegation.
Blanco
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 00:03
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Originally posted by limericklass:


i would think so also..announcement 2mr morning after eight o clock news!

Is this based on some info or just a hunch, according to another thread here, the players statement issued to the press for tomorrow will reiterate their stance of not returning, while Justin is still in charge.
wristy wing back
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 00:07
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i would expect the statement tomorrow morning to declare  that the remaining players WILL NOT be returning to the Limerick Senior Hurling Panel
limericklass
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 00:14
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Originally posted by Blanco:


Is this based on some info or just a hunch, according to another thread here, the players statement issued to the press for tomorrow will reiterate their stance of not returning, while Justin is still in charge.



Just a hunch. I dont think justin is going anywhere and he has the support of jp. I think the young players like gavin o` mahony and the rest of the young ones want to play. imo but i could be all wrong and that wouldnt be the first time!
hurlaway
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 03:23
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Ya they are returning alright............

Limerick players reaffirm strike stance

By Diarmuid O’Flynn

Monday, March 08, 2010

LIMERICK hurlers who refuse to play under manager Justin McCarthy last night sensationally claimed that "a deliberate and concerted effort" is being made to end their resistance.

With James O’Brien having already crossed the divide, strong rumours are now circulating that several others were also set to jump ship.

Last night, the remaining the 24 disaffected players in the Limerick hurling dispute last night issued a statement insisting that they will not be returning to the fold while the current management team remain in place and that the "future of Limerick hurling" is the hands of delegates attending tomorrow night’s meeting of the county board.

They believe that the board, management and backroom team are placing pressure on young players to come back and that others are being manipulated by officials.

The players met in Knocklong, in the floodlit pitch of Garryspillane, where they held a training session under Derry O’Donovan, formerLimerick team trainer in the time of Eamonn Cregan  (O’Donovan did not wish to be interviewed, but stated that he was doing what he was doing in the hope that should the crisis be resolved and the players from the 2009 panel return, they would at least be in decent shape ) .

Sixteen players were in attendance, but, according to a spokesman, all 24 were accounted for, and all were in agreement with the statement. This was the first formal group session but is a very definite indication that the players are determined to continue this fight. The odds would appear to be against them, however, given that Justin McCarthy has the backing of the county board, of its main sponsor, JP McManus, and, – most critically of all, and on the two occasions on which they’ve voted – of the club delegates.

In their statement, the 2009 squad claim: "There has been a deliberate and concerted effort by members of the county board, the team management and the backroom team to influence the thinking of club delegates and the wider Limerick public.

"There has also been a deliberate and concerted effort by members of the county board, the team management and the backroom team to influence the younger players who have pulled out of the 2010 panel, with huge pressure being put on, using one player against another in trying to persuade them to change their minds.

"At this stage we feel the need to make our position crystal clear – we will not play under the current management. despite rumours, stories and spins to the contrary, most of that coming from the county board and the current management team. There will be no more players returning to training with the current management team.

"It is now up to the club delegates to address the matter with the county board exc utive on Tuesday night next – the future of Limerick hurling is in their hands."

Limerick have lost both their National Hurling League outings this year to Galway and Cork respectively.

The Shannonsiders face Davy Fitzgerald’s Waterford on Sunday.

Read more: http://www.examiner.ie/sport/limerick-players-reaffirm-strike-stance-113957.html#ixzz0hYGoRLjd
Armin Tamzarian*
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 03:57
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A DISGRACEFUL PR STUNT
An absolutely pathetic attempt by what i can now reluctantly only refer to as a pathetic group of individuals to influence tomorrow nights meeting. Up until now i held out hope that atleast a few of these lads had some bit of backbone and for the good of Limerick hurling would join James O`Brien and help salvage 2010.Going back training tonight March 7th was a pretty sad act almost 5 months since they threw their rattlers out of the pram.Thjs PR stunt and lame statement will finally finish this whole sorry saga with no proper Limerick gael in their right mind supporting these primma donnas.
powerade
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 09:46
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How can anyone back a county board that has repeatedly failed limerick hurling, and a corkman with an ego bigger than the county he came from. These are our players, players that have come up thtough the shockingly poor underage structure this county has had in place and still manged to get themselves up to intercounty standard, players that gave us plenty lows and dissapointments but also some unbeleivable highs on the whiteknuckle ride that was 2007.............................they are in no way perfect but alot of them are the best we have and it is time to back them!
I Ron Butterfly
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 09:47
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Couldn`t have said it better myself Armin, they really are not worth the fuss, poor hurlers with an inflated ego.
Ava
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 09:52
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I`m slowly losing all respect for the players who no longer wish to play for their county.

However much I would not like to see Justin sacked and the players returning, if it happened and the county board happened to be sacked also, that would be a good result for Limerick hurling.

Our county board have a lot to answer for, it`s a joke at this point the way they have managed this issue.
Paddy
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 09:57
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"It is now up to the club delegates to address the matter with the county board exc utive on Tuesday night next – the future of Limerick hurling is in their hands."

The delegates have voted already for Justin & refused to bring it open the last time they made a ststement. So are the 09 panel just going to keep realising statements until they get the delegates to change their mind, seems to be the way to me.
stones_off
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 10:13
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The players had got themselves into a great position and have blown it. Everybody is now of the opinion that the county board are entirely at fault.

What the 2009 panels should have done is have come back en mass to be select ed by Justin McCarthy, provided there is restructuring of the county board.
wakeuplads
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:12
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I completely disagree. It was essential for the players to come out and release a statement due to all of the false rumours that were flying around.

Clearly there were rumours put out last week stating that players would be returning. At the end of last week it was rumoured that Gavin O`Mahony and Denis Moloney would be returning, and that more would follow after them.

These rumours were completely untrue. Were these rumours not made to influence Tuesday night`s meeting?

The players did the right thing by releasing a statement. Each delegate needed to be fully informed re the players` position before Tuesday night`s meeting.

At the last board meeting where there was a vote for or against Justin, delegates were given the distinct impression by the co. board that players would be returning, were they not? This turned out not to be true. Now a week before tomorrow night`s co. board meeting there are more rumours that players are returning, but again they have proved to be false.

The players did the right thing. Now everyone knows the truth before tomorrow night`s meeting and delegates can make their decision based on this.

Would you have preferred if delegates went to the meeting uninformed and basing their decision on rumours  (assuming, that is, that there will be another vote of no confidence in Justin ) ?

Originally posted by Armin Tamzarian*:
A DISGRACEFUL PR STUNT
An absolutely pathetic attempt by what i can now reluctantly only refer to as a pathetic group of individuals to influence tomorrow nights meeting. Up until now i held out hope that atleast a few of these lads had some bit of backbone and for the good of Limerick hurling would join James O`Brien and help salvage 2010.Going back training tonight March 7th was a pretty sad act almost 5 months since they threw their rattlers out of the pram.Thjs PR stunt and lame statement will finally finish this whole sorry saga with no proper Limerick gael in their right mind supporting these primma donnas.
wakeuplads
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:28
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Project X, why was this thread started? The title of the thread is very misleading and is clearly not based on fact.

When you say " If they don`t return and Limerick do get relegated, they may never be welcome back" who are you speaking on behalf of? Who will never welcome them back? I certainly will welcome them back and many others will also.

I have said many times that the best thing for Limerick hurling is not for all of the 09 panel to come back, but we definitely need at least half of them back. And we need them playing for a manager who can get the best out of them, which is impossible if there has been a complete breakdown of trust between management and the players.

Despite my views on this, I will support Justin and the current panel in every game they play where they represent Limerick. Every true Limerick supporter should support whoever puts on the green jersey, so making comments like "they may never be welcome back" is surely not very helpful to the current situation.

Originally posted by ProjectX:
The Limerick hurlers will return to the panel.

Seamus Hickey, Donal O`Grady and the others do not want to be in a position whereby their refusal to play for their county results in relegation to Division 2.

They do not want that hanging over them for the rest of there hurling careers, however long or short they are.

There are those on this forum    (we all know who they are   )    that would prefer to see Limerick relegated than for Justin to stay on. The hurlers will not want that to happen and will return. If they don`t return and Limerick do get relegated, they may never be welcome back.
Sa Bhaile
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:33
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Spot on, wakeup.
miller1910
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:44
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well said wake up. That statement was essential to clarify matters for tomorrow night and put an end to rumours about players coming back.

The delegates are now armed with the full facts - it`s up to them now to act as theys ee fit
rashers09
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:49
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You would swear from some people`s reaction that we never played in division 2 before. Jesus lads its only the league, we never cared before when we were in division 2 so why start now
parmenion
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:49
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Hope the county board issue a statement tomorrow night to put this thing to bed- something along the lines of respecting the players stance but there will be no more discussion on it. Time to start the rebuilding phase with a committed young panel, not good time charlies
rashers09
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 11:55
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And before some of ye reply saying i want them to be relegated, i dont. I just dont care if they do end up drop pin down a division. Matters f all what division you are in in the league come june time every year when the proper stuff gets going. Look at the footballers, can anyone here say that if in july they win the munster championship that they will be worried that they played in the botom division this year. Come on lads, get over the obesession with the league
Anchorbutter
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 12:07
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Yes indeed they`ve clarified, they clarified inside in my head how big a shower of loo loo`s the lot of them are.

They were annoyed and disappointed that people would try to influence them to return hurling. Imagine that Isn`t it awful that good people would try to do such a terrible and shameful thing as to try to persuade the players to go back hurling for their county. It`s clarified alright but not the clarification that most of us wanted to hear.
They`re gonners for good in my mind anyway. The clubs will not bear any of that claptrap. Chance upon chance they`ve been given to return the door alway`s and remains open and this is what the supporter gets. They want the manager to quit so they can return once again. I don`t think there are too many people who`l be backslapping those players if they do get what they want. Who is advising these guys?
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Blanco
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 12:10
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Originally posted by rashers09:
Matters f all what division you are in in the league come june time every year when the proper stuff gets going. Look at the footballers, can anyone here say that if in july they win the munster championship that they will be worried that they played in the botom division this year. Come on lads, get over the obesession with the league

I Think there is a huge difference between hurling and football when it comes to playing in the lower divisions, in football you will still get competitive matches, where as in hurling, Division One is the only show in town if you are serious about preparation for the championship.

For example, Clare are at a big disadvantage, preparation wise for their Munster championship clash with Waterford, of course Clare can still beat Waterford in the championship, but I bet you if you gave the Sparrow a choice of the kind of teams he would like to be playing at this time of the year, when he is evaluating potential players, very few of those teams would be outside Division one.
Timber
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 12:11
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best thing that can happen Limerick is a good hiding by Waterford, perhaps ultimately relegation and justin mccarthy going. Maybe someone like former cork manager Donal O`Grady could do a good job with the team when all the old panel return.

Originally posted by Anchorbutter:
Yes indeed they`ve clarified, they clarified inside in my head how big a shower of loo loo`s the lot of them are.

They were annoyed and disappointed that people would try to influence them to return hurling. Imagine that Isn`t it awful that good people would try to do such a terrible and shameful thing as to try to persuade the players to go back hurling for their county. It`s clarified alright but not the clarification that most of us wanted to hear.
They`re gonners for good in my mind anyway. The clubs will not bear any of that claptrap. Chance upon chance they`ve been given to return the door alway`s and remains open and this is what the supporter gets. They want the manager to quit so they can return once again. I don`t think there are too many people who`l be backslapping those players if they do get what they want. Who is advising these guys?
Flintstone
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 12:12
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god i think a summary of the important facts is needed:

Aug 2009: Limerick hammered 6-29 to 2-07 in All-Ireland at Croke Park
Nov 2009: Justin McCarthy drop s 12 of 2009 panel.
Dec 2009: After a number of furher withdrawals, it is now apparent that 12 more hurlers refuse to play under Jusin McCarthy`s management.

Jan 2010: A provisional panel commence training for 2010 season.
Jan 2010: Limerick lose to UCC 0-19 to 2-09 in Waterford Crystal tournament.
Jan 2010: 2009 Limerick panel timely release first statement condemning management and county board officials.
Jan 2010: County Board vote of confidence sees a stong majority vote in favour with Justin McCarthy`s continued management.

Feb 2010: Croke Park refuse to get involved in Limerick hurling dispute.
Feb 2010: Justin McCarthy names a new-look Limerick panel for upcoming league campaign.
Feb 2010: Limerick lose to Galway 1-11 to 1-18 in NHL R1 at Kilmallock.
Feb 2010: Limerick lose to Cork 2-21 to 1-14 in NHL R2 at Gaelic Grounds.

Mar 2010: James O`Brien returns to 2010 Limerick panel.
Mar 2010: 2009 Limerick panel train for the first time since debacle started five months ago in Knocklong.
Mar 2010: 2009 Limerick panel release second statement reiterating stance against Justin McCarthys reign and will not return under his management.
Mar 2010: County Board vote to take place Tuesday 9th March 2010.
rashers09
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Posted: 08-Mar-2010 12:18
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Originally posted by Blanco:


I Think there is a huge difference between hurling and football when it comes to playing in the lower divisions, in football you will still get competitive matches, where as in hurling, Division One is the only show in town if you are serious about preparation for the championship.

For example, Clare are at a big disadvantage, preparation wise for their Munster championship clash with Waterford, of course Clare can still beat Waterford in the championship, but I bet you if you gave the Sparrow a choice of the kind of teams he would like to be playing at this time of the year, when he is evaluating potential players, very few of those teams would be outside Division one.

I dont agree at all but u r entitled to your opinon blanco

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