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Shefflin v Canning
Tippfan
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12-Mar-2010 15:37
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Who`s the better hurler?
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whipl
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12-Mar-2010 15:49
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Originally posted by Tippfan:
Who`s the better hurler?
Discuss.
Canning is the better hurler. I think the club All-Ireland semi last year settled it. When their teams needed them to pull it out of the bag, Canning stood up.
Shefflins great when playing for a dominent team but will never pull it out of the bag for you when up against a superior team.
The Horse McCool
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12-Mar-2010 16:01
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The King of course!
Tippfan
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Originally posted by whipl`ash:
Canning is the better hurler. I think the club All-Ireland semi last year settled it. When their teams needed them to pull it out of the bag, Canning stood up.
Shefflins great when playing for a dominent team but will never pull it out of the bag for you when up against a superior team.
Bit harsh that? I`m thinking more in terms of different abilities, headings like pace, striking, etc.
Neither of them blessed with blistering pace but both superb strikers of the ball. You say Canning is the better hurler but surely Shefflin`s record speaks for itself?
redlead
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Originally posted by whipl`ash:
Canning is the better hurler. I think the club All-Ireland semi last year settled it. When their teams needed them to pull it out of the bag, Canning stood up.
Shefflins great when playing for a dominent team but will never pull it out of the bag for you when up against a superior team.
Silly question. One is winding down and one is only at the start of his career. Canning will probably be better but has the misfortune of being from Galway and so will never be regarded as such.
A better question is who`s better, Henry Shefflin or Eoin Kelly etc. I would always have been an Eoin Kelly man when bother were at their peak but Sheflin has been more consistent over the years I suppose. I still maintain that Sheflin is over-rated, in that he is a great player but is not the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
The Horse McCool
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12-Mar-2010 16:11
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Originally posted by redlead:
the misfortune of being from Galway
Harsh!
westerner
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12-Mar-2010 16:19
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At least he dosn`t have the misfortune of being an arrogant langer from Cork redlead.
cityoftribes
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12-Mar-2010 16:20
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Originally posted by The Horse McCool:
Harsh!
Harsh, but true.
rebelrising
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12-Mar-2010 16:22
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Originally posted by westerner:
At least he dosn`t have the misfortune of being an arrogant langer from Cork redlead.
but at least ye`d win all irelands like the greatest of them all ring!
Arraref!
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12-Mar-2010 16:23
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Is redlead not a blaa?
glasandbán
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12-Mar-2010 16:24
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Wow, surprised at the comments here so far I would have thought it`d be more pro shefflin than the other way.
Some of the posts here are a little unfair, no-one else can do what shefflin does for the kk forwards, they are much less formidable as a group without him, he completely knits them together. I`ve never seen anyone else with a touch to rival canning, he is the most skilful hurler i`ve ever seen and i think without doubt will go on to be better than shefflin, though he may not collect as many allstars by virtue of not being in the final every other year of his career.
First time I saw canning play was his first year senior in the league semi final in the gaelic grounds i think against tipp. galway went a few points down and the momentum was gone against them, i was sitting just across from him and he started roaring for the puck out from corner forward, didn`t reach him. next one 5 mins later roaring for it again, he won it out on the wing and turned straight for goal, 3 tipp defenders hanging off him he held them off, ball stuck to the hurley and just as it looked like he was about to be shoved over the end line he let the ball float off the end of his hurley and flicked it at full stretch into the net. Amazing goal, but he also showed a clear intent when galway were under pressure "give me the ball i`m going to score a goal." Some leader.
Can`t wait to go along to the club finals on Patricks day, watching canning and shefflin play the same field worth the admission price itself!
PaulG
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12-Mar-2010 16:26
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Originally posted by redlead:
Silly question. One is winding down and one is only at the start of his career. Canning will probably be better but has the misfortune of being from Galway and so will never be regarded as such.
A better question is who`s better, Henry Shefflin or Eoin Kelly etc. I would always have been an Eoin Kelly man when bother were at their peak but Sheflin has been more consistent over the years I suppose. I still maintain that Sheflin is over-rated, in that he is a great player but is not the greatest thing since sliced bread either.
Prob a better comparison is between Kelly and Shefflin alright. I would have to say Kelly here. He carried Tipp for the last 7-8 years really whereas Shefflin was on a great KK team with 5 other class forwards around him and an excellent backs/midfield feeding him great ball. I reckon Kelly has more skill but Shefflin is faster and prob stronger. He is great under a high ball and can play in any of the 6 forward positions. Both brilliant hurlers it has to be said but if i had to stick my neck on the line and choose one id go for Kelly just. Some of the points he has scored over the years are unbelievable. Unbelievabley skillful player. I don`t think anyone in the country would have scored the goal he got against KK last week.
redlead
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12-Mar-2010 16:30
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Originally posted by westerner:
At least he dosn`t have the misfortune of being an arrogant langer from Cork redlead.
I`m not from Cork but thanks for the insult anyway.
You also mis-interpreted what I meant by saying misfortune. I implied that he is not going to win All Irelands and they seem to be what players get judged on a lot of the time. It also means that he will always be playing surrounded my inferior players whereas someone playing for KK is always surrounded my quality. Galway is a lovely place and the people are sound but it`s hard claim you are the best player going when you exit the championship at quarter final stage every year.....and that`s whats ahead of him for a lot of his career.
westerner
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12-Mar-2010 16:37
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Joe already has 6 AllIreland medals redlead,2 minor,1 u21,3 club and 2 All Stars so I don`t think his career is going to be entirely honour free despite his so called misfortune.I`ld say you would get a short answer if you asked him if he considered himself misfortunate.
PaulG
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12-Mar-2010 16:40
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Originally posted by westerner:
Joe already has 6 AllIreland medals redlead,2 minor,1 u21,3 club and 2 All Stars so I don`t think his career is going to be entirely honour free despite his so called misfortune.I`ld say you would get a short answer if you asked him if he considered himself misfortunate.
I think even Joe would admit he was lucky to get an All Star last year after a pretty average year by his standards..!
redlead
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Originally posted by westerner:
Joe already has 6 AllIreland medals redlead,2 minor,1 u21,3 club and 2 All Stars so I don`t think his career is going to be entirely honour free despite his so called misfortune.I`ld say you would get a short answer if you asked him if he considered himself misfortunate.
Compared to the average Joe (pardon the pun ) he is extremely fortunate! I`m talking about when his career is over and people look back at what he has done and compares it to Sheflin to see who was greater, regardless of whether he was better or not, people are going to say Shefflin was better because of all the success he had at senior level. I personally think Joe will be better, i`m just doubting that other people and the media will share that view.
You seem like an angry man with a chip on your shoulder.
scelp
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12-Mar-2010 16:45
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We can really only compare them in about ten years time. Otherwise just an enjoyable waste of time
Arraref!
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It`s too early to say who is the better hurler, and Canning has a way to go to match Shefflin`s all-round effectiveness, but I don`t think there`s anyone playing today who has the sheer talent of Canning. It`s something else to hear a crowd collectively go "wow" at some of the things he does.
absent
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12-Mar-2010 16:48
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Take no heed of what that "Tipp Fan" is on about,just look at the kind of unedifying comments he is making on the Ard Scoil Ris thread about the teenagers win and celebrations.
Tippfan
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Gas to see all the Limerick people getting carried away - you`d swear ye had won the All-Ireland or something.
Just watch now how Limerick will make a complete bollocks of some of the fine young talent on this Ardscoil Rís team. No better county for it!
puck it out
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12-Mar-2010 16:50
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i have always thought that eoin kelly (tipp ) , when not carrying an injury, is the best forward playing hurling.he is only turning 28 so should have another 4 or 5 years (in his prime ) .in general up until the present team, he has been playing on poor enough teams.
this is not to take away from shefflin (who is a great hurler.he is not, however, the greatest ever ) . though,imo. canning has the ability to be better than both.
Minty Cat
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12-Mar-2010 16:52
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You can`t make a valid comparision for another 10 years or so.
The only comparision you can state is that Joe is a better 21 year old than Shefflin was 9 years ago.
However Shefflin really has got the very maximum potential out of himself (he was by no means a superstar at minor level ) . It remains to be seen whether Joe can get the most out of the outrageous potential that he has.
cityoftribes
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Originally posted by redlead:
I`m not from Cork but thanks for the insult anyway.
You also mis-interpreted what I meant by saying misfortune. I implied that he is not going to win All Irelands and they seem to be what players get judged on a lot of the time. It also means that he will always be playing surrounded my inferior players whereas someone playing for KK is always surrounded my quality. Galway is a lovely place and the people are sound but it`s hard claim you are the best player going when you exit the championship at quarter final stage every year.....and that`s whats ahead of him for a lot of his career.
I think you are fairly spot on here redlead. A good example of this for me would be Joe Cooney. If he had more exposure in the 90`s by way of a more successful team or a provincial championship I have no doubt he would be held in much higher esteem throughout the country.
westerner
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12-Mar-2010 16:54
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Am certainly not angry redlead and totally without wood on either shoulder.Just a bit peeved by the suggestion that coming from Galway ment you were misfortunate in any sense.If I misunderstood you I apologise.
ballygowan
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12-Mar-2010 16:57
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Originally posted by westerner:
Joe already has 6 AllIreland medals redlead,2 minor,1 u21,3 club and 2 All Stars so I don`t think his career is going to be entirely honour free despite his so called misfortune.I`ld say you would get a short answer if you asked him if he considered himself misfortunate.
No need to be so defensive-it`s obvious what redlead means!!
redlead
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Originally posted by westerner:
Am certainly not angry redlead and totally without wood on either shoulder.Just a bit peeved by the suggestion that coming from Galway ment you were misfortunate in any sense.If I misunderstood you I apologise.
It was a poor choice of words on behalf to be fair. Most people probably would have read it as you did but I was just talking from a hurling perspective.
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