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Topic: ‘Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.’ - Henry Martin
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Posted: 01-Sep-2010 12:06
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Henry Martin gives a unique insight into the nature of Henry Shefflin`s cruciate injury and gives his prediction for Sunday`s All Ireland senior hurling final...

‘Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.’ - Henry Martin
magpie
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Posted: 02-Sep-2010 15:03
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Originally posted by Site Admin:
‘Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it.’ - Henry Martin
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
Ned Of The Hill
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Posted: 02-Sep-2010 19:21
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brutal piece. this lad is a terrible journalist.

the following was said about this on another GAA site :

``I`ve been up to Semple Stadium several times this year and the gates are always wide open. If this guy was as good a journalist as he thinks he is, he would have checked out that basic fact instead of basing three paragraphs on a false assumption. The trouble with the Internet is that any delusional halfwit with an interest in hurling can, with the blessing of a website administrator, pass himself off as an authority on the game. He`ll be fawned over by some, but any knowledgable follower will learn nothing new from this piece. ``

well said!

Gilbert
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Posted: 02-Sep-2010 20:54
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Originally posted by Ned Of The Hill:
brutal piece. this lad is a terrible journalist.

the following was said about this on another GAA site :

What site would that be, Ned?
stringies
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Posted: 03-Sep-2010 12:30
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Well, its the nature of opinion pieces that they are just that -opinions. however, stepping over the boundaries into lies is another matter altogether:

`Tipperary train silently behind closed doors at Thurles.`

`Tipperary on, the other hand, have apparently locked the gates.`

as mentioned above no tipp training session has been closed to the public. And why that `apparently` in the middle - is checking what you say a thing of the past now? Even their weekends away are accessible. is it the totally inaccurate assessment of the Waterford-Tipp match which has tipped HM over from being merely lazy to being a writer of untruths?
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 03-Sep-2010 21:12
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I know a man who was over there twice and failed to get in.

However I am being told now that if anyone was prepared to hang around long enough and wanted to get in, that it was pretty easy to get in.

Closed doors, open doors I dont know after that.

Originally posted by stringies:
Well, its the nature of opinion pieces that they are just that -opinions. however, stepping over the boundaries into lies is another matter altogether:

`Tipperary train silently behind closed doors at Thurles.`

`Tipperary on, the other hand, have apparently locked the gates.`

as mentioned above no tipp training session has been closed to the public. And why that `apparently` in the middle - is checking what you say a thing of the past now? Even their weekends away are accessible. is it the totally inaccurate assessment of the Waterford-Tipp match which has tipped HM over from being merely lazy to being a writer of untruths?
Zirndorf
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Posted: 03-Sep-2010 21:42
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Henry that was pure \\
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 03-Sep-2010 21:50
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So what are you saying that the gates were open 100% of the time during all training sessions???
stringies
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Posted: 04-Sep-2010 04:23
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I know a man who was over there twice and failed to get in.

However I am being told now that if anyone was prepared to hang around long enough and wanted to get in, that it was pretty easy to get in.

Closed doors, open doors I dont know after that.

Is this what you have based your statement on. `I know a man who was over there twice and failed to get in`? If so you have revealed yourself as a complete charlatan and not the first cousin to a journalist - if that`s what you claim to be.

Then you follow it up with `However I am being told now that if anyone was prepared to hang around long enough and wanted to get in, that it was pretty easy to get in.` Do you think we are fools? This is as pathetic a cover-up as it gets. If it was `pretty easy to get in`, how was it `closed doors`? What is `pretty easy` anyway? So if you `wanted to get in` - you could? But your man failed twice for some reason - was it because he didn`t `hang around long enough` or didn`t want `to get in`? Was it not `pretty easy` enough for him?

I know someone who went to numerous training sessions - me - and I walked straight in each time through open doors. So did the 2-3 people with me each time. There has been NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION in the national media of anything to do with closed doors - and this is from a media starved of issues re this AI.

You are a charlatan, that`s obvious from the above, but worse when you say `Tipperary train silently behind closed doors at Thurles` you have revealed yourself as a liar.
Bernie Peters
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Posted: 04-Sep-2010 12:36
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Idiot nonsense piece of journalism. I used to enjoy reading this site and in fairness there is a lot of lads on here from KK Waterford Clare Tipp etc who have a bit of craic but bile and hatred oozes from the pores of SLR when it comes to tipp. Pathetic
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shackleton
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Posted: 04-Sep-2010 16:37
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Originally posted by Bernie Peters:
bile and hatred oozes from the pores of SLR when it comes to tipp. Pathetic

I thought he was originally from Tipp.
Ned Of The Hill
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Posted: 04-Sep-2010 16:43
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I know a man who was over there twice and failed to get in.

However I am being told now that if anyone was prepared to hang around long enough and wanted to get in, that it was pretty easy to get in.

Closed doors, open doors I dont know after that.


brutal journalism.
that ``tipp train behind closed doors`` is a load of bull.

why does the admin of this site give you so much coverage on this site?

This message has been edited - 04-sep-2010 @ 16:44
No. 22
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Posted: 04-Sep-2010 22:30
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sheedy said on the star that they were keeping as many sessions open as they could but they were doing some behind closed doors.
Larkin
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Posted: 04-Sep-2010 23:02
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So Tipp did train behind closed doors? Poor auld Ned and stringies are talking through their rectums so? I note also that the same Ned has not mentioned the site that his `piece` came from.
stringies
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Posted: 05-Sep-2010 02:25
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Originally posted by No. 22:
sheedy said on the star that they were keeping as many sessions open as they could but they were doing some behind closed doors.

On `The Star` ? Where? What date? Is that what SLR is basing his statement on? Jesus thats worse than pathetic.

`Poor auld Ned and stringies are talking through their rectums so?` on the basis of something allegedly quoted from The Star? Larkin, youre a moron

And `I note also that the same Ned has not mentioned the site that his `piece` came from` Oh you note it now do you? How impressive. but it doesnt matter a sh!te where Ned quoted from - its his facts that matter.

The facts are . IT`S LIES.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 05-Sep-2010 08:13
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Well I didnt see any newspaper where anything was written on. But hey, if calling me a liar makes you happy whoever you are, on with you.
The referee
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Posted: 05-Sep-2010 09:47
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this "i know a man" thing is not a new stunt by SLR to justify his opinion. earlier in the year when he was having a right cut off Colm Copper from kerry he claimed he knew a referee that had kept a list of the numerous ocassions over the years that Gooch conned referees into getting frees he didnt deserve.

when challenged to name the referee and publish the list or a least list 10 instances from the list he couldnt produce
a thing.

Originally posted by stringies:


Is this what you have based your statement on. `I know a man who was over there twice and failed to get in`? If so you have revealed yourself as a complete charlatan and not the first cousin to a journalist - if that`s what you claim to be.

Then you follow it up with `However I am being told now that if anyone was prepared to hang around long enough and wanted to get in, that it was pretty easy to get in.` Do you think we are fools? This is as pathetic a cover-up as it gets. If it was `pretty easy to get in`, how was it `closed doors`? What is `pretty easy` anyway? So if you `wanted to get in` - you could? But your man failed twice for some reason - was it because he didn`t `hang around long enough` or didn`t want `to get in`? Was it not `pretty easy` enough for him?

I know someone who went to numerous training sessions - me - and I walked straight in each time through open doors. So did the 2-3 people with me each time. There has been NOT ONE SINGLE MENTION in the national media of anything to do with closed doors - and this is from a media starved of issues re this AI.

You are a charlatan, that`s obvious from the above, but worse when you say `Tipperary train silently behind closed doors at Thurles` you have revealed yourself as a liar.
Larkin
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Posted: 05-Sep-2010 10:41
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Originally posted by stringies:

`Poor auld Ned and stringies are talking through their rectums so?` on the basis of something allegedly quoted from The Star? Larkin, youre a moron

Thank you, I love you too.



Thank you, I love you too.

Originally posted by stringies:

And `I note also that the same Ned has not mentioned the site that his `piece` came from` Oh you note it now do you? How impressive. but it doesnt matter a sh!te where Ned quoted from - its his facts that matter.

I`m delighted to have impressed you. If it`s facts that matter then quote the source. On the one hand you accuse someone of using the Star as a source of info as pathetic but when your friend Ned is asked to name his source you say it`s unimportant. Now that, in fact, is moronic.

Fair play to you though. I bet you`re a real hard man behind your cloth of anonymity.
Larkin
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Posted: 06-Sep-2010 08:21
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Originally posted by stringies:

And you have given your real name and dont hide behind a `cloth of anonymity`? You really are a moron

My identity is known to many on this site. I`ll say nothing here that I won`t say anywhere else. Pay a bit of attention and you might figure it out.



My identity is known to many on this site. I`ll say nothing here that I won`t say anywhere else. Pay a bit of attention and you might figure it out.

Originally posted by stringies:

Ned quoted a website comment. The other quote was an alleged national newspaper one. Can you tell the difference?

No difference at all, they were both quoted as sources. Can you not see that?

You seem to pepper everything you say with some kind of insult as if to give it more `purchase`. All it does is make you look like the schoolyard bully who as a last resort will call you names and when that doesn`t work will go running to teacher with a made up story. Get a grip on yourself and if you have an argument, at least try to do it like any normal adult would.
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rorschach resurrected
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Posted: 07-Sep-2010 09:33
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Never mind making stuff up, not checking his facts and passing off third-hand rumour as proof: the worst thing by far about Mr Martin`s so-called `articles` is the fact that they read like a 12-year-old`s school composition. A C-grade 12-year-old.
Of course it is pretty ridiculous how this person is getting commissioned to write for a website, but there you go. And I suppose in fairness some of the national press are just as bad. Vincent Hogan reckons Tipp imitated the Kilkenny style to beat them...eh, no Vincent, they didn`t. That`s the whole point. That`s why they beat them.
And Jamsie O`Connor wrote a few weeks ago: "At half-time, I received a text from a colleague with whom I have often discussed this Kilkenny side. He is a knowledgeable hurling man, someone whose opinion I respect. It simply stated: `That team cannot be beaten!`"
I wonder does he feel a little silly now. Probably not as silly as Mr Martin here, but still.
Larkin
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Posted: 07-Sep-2010 09:41
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Originally posted by stringies:


I have no idea who you are and thats the only relevan thing. I dont give a f**k who you are either. If you think people knowing who you are on this site gives you some cachet, you are def some flute.
The only thing thats important is that HM/SLR is a liar in relation to closed doors training.......and Tipp won the AI in any case.You are not relevant.

Up The Premier!!

That explains it then, a bitter Tipp man in the early hours of the morning. Enjoy the win and don`t let things like Henry Martins opinion get to you, have you nothing else to trouble you? Try to refute it, his opinion, without throwing insults like snuff at a wake and you might come across as being a bit credible.
stringies
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Posted: 07-Sep-2010 09:49
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Originally posted by Larkin:

That explains it then, a bitter Tipp man

That explains in all with you. Another kneejerk anti-Tipp gobsh*te. Enjoy the win yourself!

Henry Martins comment re training was NOT an opinion. It was stated as FACT. And it is a LIE.

Hope thats simple enuf for you now.
flattythehurdler
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Posted: 07-Sep-2010 09:55
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Originally posted by Larkin:


That explains it then, a bitter Tipp man in the early hours of the morning. Enjoy the win and don`t let things like Henry Martins opinion get to you, have you nothing else to trouble you? Try to refute it, his opinion, without throwing insults like snuff at a wake and you might come across as being a bit credible.

SLR, I thought at the time that it was great to be able to read such a beautifully written, balanced, and entertaining article on a free forum. The bile some people spew on here is beyond me. I had just finished "The Kings of Sept.", and found the parallels uncanny.
"Unlimited Heartbreak" is next up after reading your above article.
You are a true GAA supporter.
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Larkin
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Posted: 07-Sep-2010 09:55
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Give it a rest, you`ve had your moment and we know what you think of Henry Martin. We don`t need to be reminded every time you post here. All you are doing is giving strength to the notion that Tipp have not only the worst losing fans but the worst winning one`s also. Be careful also when you accuse someone of lying, just because you think you are anonymous on an internet forum means nothing.
This message has been edited - 07-sep-2010 @ 15:46
model fan
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Posted: 07-Sep-2010 09:58
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Originally posted by rorschach resurrected:
Never mind making stuff up, not checking his facts and passing off third-hand rumour as proof: the worst thing by far about Mr Martin`s so-called `articles` is the fact that they read like a 12-year-old`s school composition. A C-grade 12-year-old.
Of course it is pretty ridiculous how this person is getting commissioned to write for a website, but there you go. And I suppose in fairness some of the national press are just as bad. Vincent Hogan reckons Tipp imitated the Kilkenny style to beat them...eh, no Vincent, they didn`t. That`s the whole point. That`s why they beat them.
And Jamsie O`Connor wrote a few weeks ago: "At half-time, I received a text from a colleague with whom I have often discussed this Kilkenny side. He is a knowledgeable hurling man, someone whose opinion I respect. It simply stated: `That team cannot be beaten!`"
I wonder does he feel a little silly now. Probably not as silly as Mr Martin here, but still.

But RR that team weren`t beaten Shefflin only lasted ten minutes, Tennyson was only half fit and Hogan failed to start. Look at the relative ages of both sides and the truly frightening thing is that KK have fewer players closer to retirement than Tipp.
KK started with 6 players 25 years old and younger, Tipp only had three more. The Tipp drive for five could be a very short journey.

Before the game Tipp people were on here wondering why they were almost universally disliked, posts like this are why, you are bad winners and even worse losers.

You are champions for `this year` no more no less, just enjoy it.

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