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Fahey says staging decider in Thurles `absolutely disgraceful`
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Fahey says staging decider in Thurles `absolutely disgraceful`
GAVIN CUMMISKEY
Fri, Sep 10, 2010
UNDER-21 HURLING ALL-IRELAND FINAL: THERE ARE two schools of thought on tomorrow evening’s All-Ireland under-21 hurling final.
One is that this outrageously talented Tipperary side will ride the wave of last Sunday’s senior success and flow past Galway. The other is that the disgruntled visitors will emerge from the long-grass having cleverly adopted the persona of Christians entering the Lion-infested Semple Stadium.
The long-serving secretary of the Galway hurling board John Fahey branded the decision to play the match in Thurles during this “festival week” for the town as “absolutely disgraceful”.
More than 30,000 locals are expected to show up, with a ticket van following the Liam MacCarthy Cup around the county this week, while Galway are struggling to convince a traditionally poor travelling support to make the trip for what many in Tipperary already see as the icing on an already delicious cake that they have been devouring all week.
“ (GAA Director General ) Páraic Duffy promised us that the CCCC would revisit it, but they never met and yet Páraic Duffy will tell the public, through the media, and they will be gullible enough to see that the CCCC are totally responsible for the fixture,” said Fahey. “They only made the fixture in Thurles because they were told to do it. That’s a fact.
“Can you imagine that nine people, representatives of the four provinces, would sit down with two teams, Galway and Tipperary, in an All-Ireland final and that any man would suggest Thurles as the proper venue for this? Could you comprehend that happening? Absolutely disgraceful.
“There is total disenchantment within the county with it being held in Semple. We are trying to encourage people and we are going to the clubs to try and get them to buy tickets, but there are five players on the panel from my club so I know the interest is not there. We can’t do much more.
“It’s a festival week in Thurles, to be honest, and fair play to them, we all applauded them in Galway for what they did last Sunday, but it should have been played in Limerick or Tullamore or Portlaoise.”
Conceding that the decision had been made several months back to host the All-Ireland camogie finals in Croke Park this Sunday, Fahey still believes GAA headquarters would have been the ideal setting, alongside the camogie finals.
“The GAA adopted a policy of integration a few years ago that was to integrate all the strands of the GAA which included the participation of ladies. Part of the integration was to play the camogie and All-Ireland under-21 hurling finals together.
“We played in 2007 in Croke Park against Dublin and we had no problem playing Dublin there as Croke Park is not a Dublin home venue. It has nothing to do with Dublin teams or their county board.
“It is ironic that when Galway are in the senior camogie and under-21 finals that the decision has been made to break them up. Does an under-21 All-Ireland final not deserve a Sunday? We would be delighted to be heading to Croke Park.
“Mr Cooney has declared Thurles is the venue for all under-21 hurling finals, but suppose there is a draw, are we to go back to Thurles next weekend?”
Richie Cummins and Niall Quinn have sufficiently recovered from ankle and foot injuries to take their place in the Galway attack. Wing back Sylvie Óg Linnane is also considered fit enough to ensure David Burke leads out the same team that out-classed Leinster champions Dublin 2-14 to 1-10 in the semi-final. Quinn’s select ion at centre forward is crucial considering he registered 1-2 against Dublin.
Tipperary manager Ken Hogan has delayed announcing a line-up as full back John Coghlan was before last night’s Central Hearing Committee in an attempt to have his one-match suspension, handed down after the referee from the Antrim semi-final victory Tony Carroll was advised to consult video evidence.
On Carroll’s recommendation, the yellow card was upgraded to red and that meant a four-week suspension.
GALWAY: K Finnegan. D Connolly, P Gordan, G O’Halloran. N Donoghue, D Burke, S Óg Linnane. J Coen, B Daly. J Regan, N Quinn, E Forde. R Cummins, G Burke, G Kelly.
© 2010 The Irish Times
Larkin
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If he`s that pished off about it why did he not suggest that Galway stay away from any promotion connected to the event? I agree that it is a disgraceful decision but to me Galway seem to have sat meekly back and apart from shouting a few things have in reality done nothing about it.
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I ould see Galway`s point if this was a last minute decision, but it`s not. The final is going to be staged in Thurles for the coming years ( 4 I think ) and all counties were aware of this.
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Seems like the Galwegians are looking for an extra motivational tool here. But it may not be enough.
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Galway could only have started protesting about this when they had qualified for the final and they were under the assumption that the match would be moved if Tipp were in the final themselves! A naiive thought now it would seem, it was not moved because there will be a huge Tipp crowd at this and it is more money for the GAA. A dublin based dictatorship in now in charge of the GAA, Cooney, Duffy, Clancy, etc etc. They have no meas on the clubs down the country and are convinced their way is the best!
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Originally posted by cicfada:
. They have no meas on the clubs down the country and are convinced their way is the best!
and of course in general anyone looking at the magnificent facilities and the amount of grants available to those self same clubs who are pro active the evidence is that their way is the best
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10-Sep-2010 09:33
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Originally posted by scelp:
Seems like the Galwegians are looking for an extra motivational tool here. But it may not be enough.
Tipp got a big one last night scelp. John Coughlans appeal failed. While I concede he probably should have been sent off in semi he wasnt and thats the 2nd time this year Tipp and only Tipp have had a player red carded in the committee room. Plenty of other players could have got the same raw deal.
Fierce disappointing for the young lad. His team mates have a cause now.
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Originally posted by Site Admin:
“Mr Cooney has declared Thurles is the venue for all under-21 hurling finals, but suppose there is a draw, are we to go back to Thurles next weekend?”
He talks a lot of sense
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I wonder, considering the poor attendances all year, are the GAA just trying to ensure one last big pay day from the hurling compliments of the Tipp crowd? Or do they think they `owe` thurlus a certain number of big days in the year? I`m struggling to come up with any more holesome reasons for this decision. Talk about favouritism! Hopefully the Galway lads will use it to fuel their fight and give us a cracker of a match instead of a foregone pre-assisted Tipp win. (not that Tipp can be blamed ) .
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I dont often agree with Jaws, but he has a point or 2.
The GAA have kicked to touch on this and offered up Galway as the sacrificial lamb for an extra few bob. The GAA is not capable of reacting in a calm, organised and rationale way. Its an Irish thing I suppose. Galway would be better off toning down the rhetoric but driving home the point about the hypocracy of the GAA`s decision wrt to promoting the games. A double header with the Camogie Final in Croker would make great sense and promote both codes. A game in Thurles where one side will be outnumbered at least 10-1 is not promotion, its a fix for Semple stadium, Tipp and the Munster oouncil in general. We all know about Thurles` propensity for seriously underestimating the crowd number at the stadium. I have been there when they announced the attendence figures and they were met with widespread mirth and derision and are patently false.
Also, why would they allow the U21 final to be played in Semple for the next 3 or 4 years? That makes no sense, I mean, Tipp were always going to be favourites for those years due to that excellent minor team and now they are senior champions with 8 u21s in the panel, its an even bigger advantage for them. And fair play to them. Its due reward. But they could have been magnanimous and offered to play in Limerick at least. If there is a draw, will Tipp come up to Pierce or Kenny Park in Athenry next week for the replay??.. I dont think so..
Another fair point here and one that seems to have been generally overlooked is that this week, Monday in fact, there was 30,000 people tramping over the pitch, and it rained heavily that night, what condition is the surface in?
Tipp would bring 20,000 people alone if the game was in Limerick, never mind Thurles.
May the best team win... Tipp are probably the best team, no doubt.. But they dont need extra help by literally playing on their own back yard, for this game..
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Yes the condition of the pitch should have been his major trump card, but he doesn`t seem to have played it for some reason.
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Originally posted by twiceasnice97:
and of course in general anyone looking at the magnificent facilities and the amount of grants available to those self same clubs who are pro active the evidence is that their way is the best
Much raised by clubs themselves. Given that players are not paid and the amount of voluntary work done for the GAA and the fact that their prices are so high, it`s amazing they do not have much more to give around. Does anyone know the salary of the Director General or of Christy Cooney or of the various County Secrataries round the country? Again these guys re piggy backing on the work of inummerable volunteers and players to get on and stay on the gravy train that is GAA officialdom. Most of the heavy lifting has beeen done for these guys by Peter Quinn who built Croke Park and by Sean Kelly who had it opened. The bulk of the higher officials today seeem to be there to talk down to the ordinary volunteers and players. Mind you Cooney has form on this front given the mess he left behind in FAS.
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JToes- I was talking to a guy who`d be in the know and he told me Tipp offered several times to move this fixture but the GAA wouldn`t budge. Its unfair to even intimate that Tipperary are somehow in the wrong here. [as much as we`d like to believe it].
I also understand the Gaelic Grounds in Limerick tool a less than entusiastic stance on the matter when it was asked could they host it? Why I don`t know but if they ever complain about Limerick getting no games in the future I hope this is thrown back at them.
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Even with the Tipperary celebrations at their height, I find it difficult to see 30000 or anything past 20000 at the game. Irrespective of what people think the under 21 and minor grades are not crowd pullers to the same extent as senior.
Even the 1999 munster final between Clare and Tipperary in Ennis managed only 17000 with both sides travelling in strength.
Secondly it takes two to make a crowd and with a certain apathy existing around the event from Galway`s perspective their support will be low enough and with the game on television it will be another reason not to travel. It is a pity that the games were taken from Croke park as the camogie and under 21 finals used to be great value.
I will be in Thurles anyway. Hope it is a great game.
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Originally posted by Joe`s Toes:
I dont often agree with Jaws, but he has a point or 2.
The GAA have kicked to touch on this and offered up Galway as the sacrificial lamb for an extra few bob. The GAA is not capable of reacting in a calm, organised and rationale way. Its an Irish thing I suppose. Galway would be better off toning down the rhetoric but driving home the point about the hypocracy of the GAA`s decision wrt to promoting the games. A double header with the Camogie Final in Croker would make great sense and promote both codes. A game in Thurles where one side will be outnumbered at least 10-1 is not promotion, its a fix for Semple stadium, Tipp and the Munster oouncil in general. We all know about Thurles` propensity for seriously underestimating the crowd number at the stadium. I have been there when they announced the attendence figures and they were met with widespread mirth and derision and are patently false.
Also, why would they allow the U21 final to be played in Semple for the next 3 or 4 years? That makes no sense, I mean, Tipp were always going to be favourites for those years due to that excellent minor team and now they are senior champions with 8 u21s in the panel, its an even bigger advantage for them. And fair play to them. Its due reward. But they could have been magnanimous and offered to play in Limerick at least. If there is a draw, will Tipp come up to Pierce or Kenny Park in Athenry next week for the replay??.. I dont think so..
Another fair point here and one that seems to have been generally overlooked is that this week, Monday in fact, there was 30,000 people tramping over the pitch, and it rained heavily that night, what condition is the surface in?
Tipp would bring 20,000 people alone if the game was in Limerick, never mind Thurles.
May the best team win... Tipp are probably the best team, no doubt.. But they dont need extra help by literally playing on their own back yard, for this game..
I understand that Tipp had no problem with the game being moved elsewhere. I`m sure most of Tipps supprters would feel the same. The top brass of the GAA are digging their heels in on this.
The double header with the camogie was a disaster and it had to be got rid of. It wasnt attracting the crowds because people are reluctant to travel to dublin for an U21 match especially if they have been to a lot of games already this year. I know I would not have gone to Dublin for this game, having gone there for senior qfinal, semi and final already this year. Its just too expensive.
Bringing it down the country is the right idea but they have made a balls of it.
Where was the U21 football final played?
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Originally posted by Site Admin:
Fahey says staging decider in Thurles `absolutely disgraceful`
Firstly, yes it`s a disgrace, but Fahey is a bit late coming out with this now. Where was he last week and the week before when this came to the fore?
It`s time to stop the whinging and accept the decision, bad and all as it is!
I honestly thought that Galway would use this to their advantage.
Firstly, for years we`ve been labelled bottlers on the big day and we`ve done ourselves no favours in convincing people otherwise with the way we let Waterford last year and Tipp this year pip us at the post.
Secondly, we`re not bringing enough talent through from under 21 level for whatever reason. Out of the `07 U21 team that one the AI there are very very few graduated to senior ranks with any success. Contrast that with Tipps senior panel and how many are only U21 now even.
Would it not be in Anthony Cunninghams favour to use this motivate his players by sending them out in Thurles Saturday evening to see who can perform in the greatest lions den as it were, and not bottle it. Surely anyone that does so would be rewarded with a call up to the senior panel. It’s in matches like this one that you’ll find out all you need to know about a player, Galway need that now more than ever.
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I rated this closer to a 50-50 match at the beginning of the week. Not any more. The manner in which another Tipperary youngster has been "done" by the CCCC willl see to that. Tipperary are now savagely motivated.
Not that Tipperary have any complaints re the tackle per se. But how come John Coughlan gets his case revisited and Jackie Tyrell didn`t after the Cork game? How come Buggy O`Meara got his case revisited after the Munster first round? That`s two of our Munster U21 double winners who have been singled out this year while serial offenders get away scot free.
I reckon now that Tipperary will give their answer in spades tomorrow night.
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Fahey says staging decider in Thurles `absolutely disgraceful`
i think the biggest disgrace is that galway only had to win 1 match to get to an all ireland final!!
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Cork love playing in Thurles. We don`t see it as a problem. If Galway brought 10,000 supporters they could turn it to their advantage. It probably won`t happer though.
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Originally posted by red1892:
i think the biggest disgrace is that galway only had to win 1 match to get to an all ireland final!!
Galway have looked to go into the Leinster Championship at both Minor and U21 grades but were refused entry. It would be in the interests of every single county competing at the grade, galway included, if we were included in Leinster like the senior team is.
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Originally posted by cityoftribes:
Galway have looked to go into the Leinster Championship at both Minor and U21 grades but were refused entry. It would be in the interests of every single county competing at the grade, galway included, if we were included in Leinster like the senior team is.
i think the problem could be antrim though.they probably would like the old system to remain.if galway moved to leinster and antrim stayed in ulster it might cause problems.
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Originally posted by outsider:
Even with the Tipperary celebrations at their height, I find it difficult to see 30000 or anything past 20000 at the game. Irrespective of what people think the under 21 and minor grades are not crowd pullers to the same extent as senior.
Even the 1999 munster final between Clare and Tipperary in Ennis managed only 17000 with both sides travelling in strength.
Secondly it takes two to make a crowd and with a certain apathy existing around the event from Galway`s perspective their support will be low enough and with the game on television it will be another reason not to travel. It is a pity that the games were taken from Croke park as the camogie and under 21 finals used to be great value.
I will be in Thurles anyway. Hope it is a great game.
There will be a huge crowd in Thurles tomorrow night. When Tipp beat Antrim in the 1989 All Ireland, the Under 21 Final against Offaly was played in Portlaoise the following Sunday before a massive crowd. The traffic was so bad that cars were diverted off the main road to Portlaoise and I travelled through parts of Co. Laois that I have never seen before or since. Some people did not arrive until near half time and others turned back and went home. If you are going to Thurles you would want to go there early.
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Originally posted by tipptop:
I ould see Galway`s point if this was a last minute decision, but it`s not. The final is going to be staged in Thurles for the coming years ( 4 I think ) and all counties were aware of this.
Thats hardly a justification for giving Tipp a home game in an All-Ireland final. The final should be played at a nuetral venue, it would have been easy to change the venue after the semi-finals had been played.
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Originally posted by red1892:
i think the problem could be antrim though.they probably would like the old system to remain.if galway moved to leinster and antrim stayed in ulster it might cause problems.
Is the answer to that something similar to the senior championship. Let them play in both Ulster and Leinster.
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Would the move the Senior All Ireland from Croke Park if Dublin qualified??
Hardly. Every player admits to Semple Stadium being the best pitch to play on (ahead of Croker ) .
Why don`t Galway try a get a crowd of supporters travelling and get a good atmosphere going?? It`s the last hurling game off the year so make an effort!!!
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