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Topic: Hurling Board Established.
lopper
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 02:51
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
I raised the issued about Mickey Sullivan today.

His response was "I used common sense, something that Henry wouldnt know anything about".

Wait, so basically, the official response for breaking the rules was "blah blah blah, he`s a gob\\e"? Was that response called up? Are the circumstances regarding the bending of the rules in the public domain, or are they in the much safer "common knowledge"?

I won`t pretend to fully understand the workings of the County Board, but having hummed and hawed over this one for the day, I`m cautiously optimistic. At least this was conceived in reaction to perceived poor performance in relation to hurling in the county. From the little I`ve read though, I`d actually share Back Page Man`s concerns on the dedication of this board to underage hurling in the county. The account about Liverpool jerseys, FIFA PS3 games and Rugby balls is the most worrying thing in this thread.
Balthasar
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 03:03
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Mr Sullivan`s answer to Henry Martin was pathetic, he also said that common sense was the most important rule in the book? Don`t know what book he`s quoting but again the rules only apply to the rest of us?

You`d be wasting your breath arguing with him, even Liam Lenihan didn`t want to listen to him, took the microphone from him a quickly as he could. Have to agree that the letter to Santa speech hit the nail on the head.

Liam Lenihan was adamant at the end that Croke Park would reject the motion so watch this space !
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 11:02
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We will know we have truly turned the corner when a member of the top table    stands up and criticises O`Sullivan for his comments
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philipguyerburgomeister
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 11:24
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It`s a pity this hurling board wasn`t in place last year and we wouldn`t have had the shambles we had. Anyway it`s onwards and upwards from here and hopefully this can be a new beginning.
There is much to do but at least a clear divide has been established between hurling men and committee men.
For too long amateur politicians and establishment men have dictated on field matters in relation to Limerick hurling.
Let`s hope those days are at an end...


Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
We will know we have truly turned the corner when a member of the top table    stands up and criticises O`Sullivan for his comments

I have heard that the high ranked Croke Park official who prepared the wording of the motion for the hurling board got rapped on the knuckles for doing it. GAA politics is a peculiar thing. As you say watch this space.
Taxi Driver
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 11:40
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Originally posted by Balthasar:
Mr Sullivan`s answer to Henry Martin was pathetic, he also said that common sense was the most important rule in the book? Don`t know what book he`s quoting but again the rules only apply to the rest of us?

What issue/problem did Mickey Sullivan apply `common sense` to that merited discussion at convention?
seamus walsh
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 12:29
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Originally posted by Taxi Driver:


What issue/problem did Mickey Sullivan apply `common sense` to that merited discussion at convention?

Would it have anything to do with a "Minor" problem.
An Fear Rua
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 12:51
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Arguably for the first time ever, the Limerick GAA political machine has been blown apart and a motion proposing the setting up of a hurling board has been voted in against all the odds, beating the requirement of a 2/3rds majority by five votes, writes Henry Martin...

A new cornerstone for Limerick hurling? - Henry Martin
Far Post
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 17:29
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Anyone know the results from the rest of the motions? Some interesting ones were put forward.

The hurling board seems a good call, certainly in the short-term anyway. Anything to reduce the power of current crop on the top table  is a forward step.
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eastgael
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Posted: 03-Jan-2011 20:35
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The establishment of a new hurling board is a great result for the development of hurling in limerick,long overdue.
JohnneyCool
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 11:04
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Originally posted by Far Post:
Anyone know the results from the rest of the motions? Some interesting ones were put forward.

The hurling board seems a good call, certainly in the short-term anyway. Anything to reduce the power of current crop on the top table   is a forward step.

a word to the wise although things are obviously slightly different in Limerick in terms of resources and the likes but we in Down have had a hurling board for near on 30 years and TBH its remit is fairly limited.
It only seems to be for setting juvenile and adult league fixtures with all decisions to be ratified by the full county board.
The likes of development squads and coaching is not in their remit, county teams are not in their remit either and has rendered it a bit toothless to say the least. True hurling men with a bit of vision seem to give it a by-ball as any enlightened idea`s get weighed down by yet another layer of committee.

If the Limerick model is to have the desired effect it`ll need to have its own remit and resourced financially accordingly and that`s where Croke park may have problems. They`ve brought in a lot of full time secretaries in counties who take their lead from Croke park and not from within their own county set ups, so expect a bit of politic`s to be played out with this one yet.
Democracy is alright if the outcome fits in with the powers that be.
fullback 1980
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 12:36
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The word is that Croker are lining up to kick this into touch............
Blanco
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 12:40
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Originally posted by fullback 1980:
The word is that Croker are lining up to kick this into touch............

From what I gather here , I wouldn`t be surprised if Croke Park got a few informal phone calls from the CB in Limerick to ensure that this motion will not have A smooth path through Croke Park officials.
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 12:45
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Quote of the year 2011

Originally posted by JohnneyCool:

Democracy is alright if the outcome fits in with the powers that be.
cityoftribes
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 12:55
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Originally posted by seamus walsh:
Hurling Board Established.

It would be very hypocritical of Croke Park to get involved at this stage in Limerick Hurling when they wouldn’t get involved when things were at their lowest last year during the players strike.

Also how can they deny Limerick having a hurling board when other Countys’ like galway have separate boards for hurling and football?

In saying that, the way Cooney has operated since he took office it wouldn’t surprise me if he did interfere now.
Blanco
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 16:56
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Marty Morrissey on RTE Radio one now talking about it.
Tom Tom
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 18:53
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Its debatle if a hurling board will solve our problems. However history suggests under the current regime hurling was going backwards as our current exc utive seemed to be interested only in pulling strokes to ensure thier re election. If Croke Park are serious about promoting hurling it should fully support the initiative.
Maguires Field
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 22:24
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IMHO Mickey O Sullivan is not answerable to anyone here and why should he be? When you devote your life to the association you are entitled to do a few favours for the people who stood by you. They are the people who will vote you back in. People complaining about his evidence in headbutting case should realise that it was two years ago so its time to get over these things.

Bottom line is that the delegates betrayed their officers and were foolishly led by the speeches on sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
eastgael
(873 Posts)
Posted: 04-Jan-2011 23:12
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Originally posted by Maguires Field:
IMHO Mickey O Sullivan is not answerable to anyone here and why should he be? When you devote your life to the association you are entitled to do a few favours for the people who stood by you. They are the people who will vote you back in. People complaining about his evidence in headbutting case should realise that it was two years ago so its time to get over these things.

Bottom line is that the delegates betrayed their officers and were foolishly led by the speeches on sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ah get real,your talking desperate crap...again..over 80% voted in favour,and you think most delegates hadnt made thir mind up before they arrived!! your gas.
Larkin
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Posted: 04-Jan-2011 23:52
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Originally posted by Tom Tom:
Its debatle if a hurling board will solve our problems. However history suggests under the current regime hurling was going backwards as our current exc utive seemed to be interested only in pulling strokes to ensure thier re election. If Croke Park are serious about promoting hurling it should fully support the initiative.

The thing is, why was there such a monumental change in mindset from the first convention when the hurling board looked dead in the water?
South Limerick Referee
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Posted: 05-Jan-2011 00:07
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Larkin,

A combination of a lot of things added up and there was an explosion. Long heralded establishment men voted to support the hurling board, and a key influencing factor were the speeches from the Top table . Perhaps if a result like that had come a few years ago it might have prevented a lot of problems that arose but thats another story.
Prof Honeydew
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Posted: 05-Jan-2011 00:20
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Originally posted by Maguires Field:
IMHO Mickey O Sullivan is not answerable to anyone here and why should he be? When you devote your life to the association you are entitled to do a few favours for the people who stood by you. They are the people who will vote you back in. People complaining about his evidence in headbutting case should realise that it was two years ago so its time to get over these things.

Bottom line is that the delegates betrayed their officers and were foolishly led by the speeches on sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don`t have any problem with Mickey O`Sullivan. Any dealings I`ve had with him  (mostly to do with fixtures ) , I`ve found him to be fair, courteous, positive and helpful where he could be but also firm enough to say no when he felt that it was the correct rather than the popular thing to do.

However, as one of the delegates who spoke and voted in favour of the motion to set up the hurling board, I resent your allegation that I betrayed the County Board officers. Our club discussed the motion in detail at the AGM and the consensus was that a hurling board operating like the current football board might be able to focus better on hurling without the distractions of the Board`s other interests like finance, fixtures, tranfers, registrations etc. and that there was no harm in giving it a chance There was no personal issues involved in the stance we took. We thought on balance that supporting the motion would be in the best overall interests of Gaelic games in Limerick and would give a chance for those hurling men and women who were frustrated with events over the past year to get constructively involved in the promotion of the game. As Lyndon Johnson once put it, it`s better to have people inside the tent pi$$ing out instead of outside pi$$ing in.

Furthermore, considering the circumstances surrounding the adjourned convention where all sorts of conspiracy theories were circulating  (whether they were true or not doesn`t matter, the fact is they added to the degree of mistrust and resentment among a sizeable number of people that had already been stoked by the email sent around to clubs ) , we thought that worst of all outcomes was that the vote would get a majority but fail to make the 2/3s required. If that had happened, all the ill-will that poisoned Limerick GAA during the Justin McCarthy sage would have returned and we`d have been back at square one.

Fair dues to Liam Lenihan, he was magnaminous in accepting the outcome as was Owen O`Neill, proposer of the motion. I hope that the example they showed signals the end of the matter, the hurling board is set up without any further confrontation and we can move on to what`s in the best interests of Gaelic games in Limerick.
bennett
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Posted: 05-Jan-2011 00:27
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Originally posted by South Limerick Referee:
Quote of the year 2011


too true
lets hope real democracy comes to fruitition in limerick hurling
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clubgaa
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Posted: 05-Jan-2011 09:19
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Maguires Field
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IMHO Mickey O Sullivan is not answerable to anyone here and why should he be? When you devote your life to the association you are entitled to do a few favours for the people who stood by you. They are the people who will vote you back in. People complaining about his evidence in headbutting case should realise that it was two years ago so its time to get over these things.

Bottom line is that the delegates betrayed their officers and were foolishly led by the speeches on sunday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Its comments and a mindset like Maguires field that brought Limerick hurling to its knees. Theses people have kept the cosy cartell of officers at the top table  for years in various positions. Mickey O Sullivan is owed so many favours by clubs at this stage that he is unbeatable  in an election, its nothing to do with his ability its all down to favours and pay back time.
He is accountable  like all officers to the delegates and SLR is a delegate and was entitled to question him.
I was very impressed by the Pallaskenry delegate  ( current player Emmett O Brien  )  who spoke in favour of the motion. In fact it was great to have Junior clubs as well as Senior clubs all singing form the onehymn sheet.
Our Vice Chairman was very poor in his speech against the motion and I could`nt help thinking that if Oliver was not at the top table  he would have been down with the Patrickswell delegates speaking for the motion.

Without the top table  votes and the divisional boards votes only a handful of clubs voted against the motion. This to me is the worrying thing about motions. With all the votes the officers have and the votes of the various boards all they need is a small percentage of the clubs to vote with them and they will get thier one third to stop change in the future.
My question is should only clubs have votes on such motions? Why should the officers block vote to stop change that the vast majority of the club want?
dodgy-keeper
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Posted: 07-Jan-2011 20:54
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So what`s the state of play now? If Croke Park interfere and block this, as rumours suggest, we may aswell give up as we are not allowed govern ourselves. It is our own business, when Justin McCarthy was backed by the delegates they were happy to go along with the wishes of the clubs - why would they not allow democracy to be allowed runs its course this time.

Hurling Board in Galway - ok.
Football Board in Galway - ok.
Football Board in Limerick - ok.
Hurling Board in Limerick - why would it not be ok?
capitalhurler
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Posted: 07-Jan-2011 23:23
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The vote on the hurling board was a massive vote of no confidence in the county board.
Croke park would do well to consider this before they do anything.
Bottom line is that they could create  a huge problem if they try to stop it.
Personally if I was on the county board I would have stepped down after the vote on the hurling board but we know this would never happen as most of the county board officers are there for all the wrong reasons.

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